parisdoll
6 May 2007 / #31
France u r right lone stranger. im french born in poland. there is a huge polish community in paris. we`ve got 6 polish churches in paris and many shops and restaurants with polish food.
Are there any other countries that Polish immigrants are going to?
lol frank, seems rounded ok :)
there is a huge polish community in paris.
But that's rather not new immigration... ?
Polish are still going there, like Irish and English too, its not as big as to the UK and Ire, but i know of Polish going to Spain, France and Italy also
no, i'm just Finn with an interest in Poland. There is about 1000 Poles in whole Finland.
well terve max, I was born in finland, Polish wife, thinking of maybe living in Finland one day.
Have you still got a vappu hangover?
Maxxx Payne 1 | 195
7 May 2007 / #36
Quoting: Maxxx Payne
no, i'm just Finn with an interest in Poland. There is about 1000 Poles in whole Finland.
If Finnish language wouldn't be so horribly hard (from my point of view), I'd move to Finland for a while :)
no, i'm just Finn with an interest in Poland. There is about 1000 Poles in whole Finland.
If Finnish language wouldn't be so horribly hard (from my point of view), I'd move to Finland for a while :)
well your point of view is same as over 90% of europeans. so don't worry on that :)
Katariina Jagellonica (Katarzyna Jagiellonca, daughter of Zygmunt I) came....and brought us the fork !!!
I don't know if even she learned the language though...
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katarzyna_Jagiellonka - Grand Duchess of Finland
Quoting: Maxxx Payne
no, i'm just Finn with an interest in Poland. There is about 1000 Poles in whole Finland.
well terve max, I was born in finland, Polish wife, thinking of maybe living in Finland one day.
Have you still got a vappu hangover?
no, i'm just Finn with an interest in Poland. There is about 1000 Poles in whole Finland.
well terve max, I was born in finland, Polish wife, thinking of maybe living in Finland one day.
Have you still got a vappu hangover?
nah i fell asleep too early...also missed all the fights.
I should stick to hard liquors not beer.
Katariina Jagellonica (Katarzyna Jagiellonca, daughter of Zygmunt I) came....and brought us the fork !!!
I can bring you the knife :D
the traveller 4 | 24
7 May 2007 / #38
There are many polish also in Greece. There must be much more than 3500 in Athens and a coupe of thousands more in the rest of the country. There is also an elementary school and highschool in Athens as well as a polish catholic church.There must be more than 2 newspapers also in polish concerning the polish community in Greece.
Greeks although xenophobic and prejudists in general, we have a positive opinion about polish people mostly judging on their performance in work and their low rates of criminal records (contrasting to albanians or romanians). We also see positively the fact that there are very small numbers of polish prostitutes.
Greeks although xenophobic and prejudists in general, we have a positive opinion about polish people mostly judging on their performance in work and their low rates of criminal records (contrasting to albanians or romanians). We also see positively the fact that there are very small numbers of polish prostitutes.
Greeks although xenophobic and prejudists in general
Good Europeans then...???!!!
We also see positively the fact that there are very small numbers of polish prostitutes.
LOL.......so you would think badly of Germany, Netherlands where sex workers pay tax and are included as citizens of their country.......you now think negatively of those countries - would be even more prejudiced than normal?......
the traveller 4 | 24
8 May 2007 / #40
Hey Frank...rational question.
Greeks are like that. It is not an opinion everyone shares but the majority of the people are traditional and conservative. After all it is the european South with all its pros and cons. (Imagine the level of hypocricy since people are nagging about the overflowing numbers prostitutes from eastern europe while in the same time they consitute the demand for those services)
If you ask me, I have no problem at all with legal prostitution and I respect the right of every citizen to choose a profession.
On the other hand I recognise that the majority of "sex workers" are misstreted and prostitution in South-eastern Europe in contrast to the West is after passing some numbers an indication of social malfunction. If you are interested, I can analyse the reasons in another discussion.
In greek there isn't such a term as "sex worker" but rather that of "prostitute" so you get what kind of mentality we are talking about.
Most people here really look up to Germany and Netherlands as a development models but even me I don't think that there are only positive points to attribute to these societies :)
Greeks are like that. It is not an opinion everyone shares but the majority of the people are traditional and conservative. After all it is the european South with all its pros and cons. (Imagine the level of hypocricy since people are nagging about the overflowing numbers prostitutes from eastern europe while in the same time they consitute the demand for those services)
If you ask me, I have no problem at all with legal prostitution and I respect the right of every citizen to choose a profession.
On the other hand I recognise that the majority of "sex workers" are misstreted and prostitution in South-eastern Europe in contrast to the West is after passing some numbers an indication of social malfunction. If you are interested, I can analyse the reasons in another discussion.
In greek there isn't such a term as "sex worker" but rather that of "prostitute" so you get what kind of mentality we are talking about.
Most people here really look up to Germany and Netherlands as a development models but even me I don't think that there are only positive points to attribute to these societies :)
So the Greeks...have a long way to go....yet been in the EU for what 25 yrs....why haven't attitudes changed?
After all, huge numbers like the Irish have emigrated to other countries......where they settled and became integrated....eventually I suppose.
After all, huge numbers like the Irish have emigrated to other countries......where they settled and became integrated....eventually I suppose.
the traveller 4 | 24
8 May 2007 / #42
the greeks are in the eu for 26 consecutive years. They have adopted the euro and are massively euro-optimists.
Their moral conservatism has nothing to do with EU integration. It has to do with their history and geographical position. They look a lot alike spanish, centre-south italians and portugese. The South of Europe is part of Europe geographically,historically, culturally and consitutes part of the european identity, it is not an entity on the way of integration,on the way of becoming Europe(or EU)...it is one part of Europe and European Union.
In order for attitudes to change you have to change the climate, the land, the institutions, the class formation of the society and other staff. These things if they don't change naturally they do not change at all. And the truth is that things change over here as time goes by, but not towards a north european model, but towards an original model that fits the region's special characteristics.
Why you mention the irish....As I told you polish people are probably the most integrated into the greek society and also to the greatest extent accepted by locals.
Their moral conservatism has nothing to do with EU integration. It has to do with their history and geographical position. They look a lot alike spanish, centre-south italians and portugese. The South of Europe is part of Europe geographically,historically, culturally and consitutes part of the european identity, it is not an entity on the way of integration,on the way of becoming Europe(or EU)...it is one part of Europe and European Union.
In order for attitudes to change you have to change the climate, the land, the institutions, the class formation of the society and other staff. These things if they don't change naturally they do not change at all. And the truth is that things change over here as time goes by, but not towards a north european model, but towards an original model that fits the region's special characteristics.
Why you mention the irish....As I told you polish people are probably the most integrated into the greek society and also to the greatest extent accepted by locals.
I agree stuff would have to be changed.. but.. the climate? If it'd be colder & more windy progressive or democratic changes would be made differently & more effciently?
Maxxx Payne 1 | 195
8 May 2007 / #44
Not really. Coming from cold country I can tell we have our own conservative views and taboos as welll. They just vary from culture to culture.
As far as I know poles can legally work in UK,Ireland Sweden,Holland,Italy ,Spain,Portugal
Yep.
the traveller 4 | 24
8 May 2007 / #46
I am refering to the climate not seriously but for a joke... this is the point...climates do not change(or so we think...he,he).
In sociology the climate and geography appears to have a definite role in a society's evolvement
In sociology the climate and geography appears to have a definite role in a society's evolvement
I see.
ilteris
11 Jul 2007 / #48
as far as i know there is a polish community in istanbul turkiye. they settled into istanbul in 17th. century. they live in a village called polonez koy (which means polish village).
the people came to there because of the war between poland and russians. when the russians invaded poland some poles emigrated to turkiye. the turks welcomed them. there happened a crisis between turks and russians. because the russians wanted from the turks not to allow the polish settlers to emigrate to turkiye. but the turks did not accepted it. some of the polish settlers in turkey helped the polish revolution.
the people came to there because of the war between poland and russians. when the russians invaded poland some poles emigrated to turkiye. the turks welcomed them. there happened a crisis between turks and russians. because the russians wanted from the turks not to allow the polish settlers to emigrate to turkiye. but the turks did not accepted it. some of the polish settlers in turkey helped the polish revolution.
Few weeks ago Artur Boruc saved 9 month pregnant polish girl who was bitten by people on the street of Edinbourgh.
Where is the evidence that this incident hapened?
joepilsudski 26 | 1387
14 Jul 2007 / #50
The government of the Central African Republic is now heavily recruiting Polish doctors
& medical workers to assist in their booming organ transplant/harvesting industry...they
know that Poles have the technical skill & also will enjoy the climate there,,,they also have a local pivo industry that makes a good brew name 'Tsutsu'.
& medical workers to assist in their booming organ transplant/harvesting industry...they
know that Poles have the technical skill & also will enjoy the climate there,,,they also have a local pivo industry that makes a good brew name 'Tsutsu'.
there is a huge polish community in paris. we`ve got 6 polish churches in paris and many shops and restaurants with polish food.
I wish I would have known all that when I was in Paris.
Where is the evidence that this incident hapened?
Use the google...
I can find no mention of this anywhere on google......
Good for Artur. It's a shame that people like to act like animals. We need more good samaritans like this in the world. How can anyone attack a pregnant woman like this? It's also good to know that a pro baller would help someone out in a situation like this.
We need more good samaritans like this in the world
Very true, problem with the UK is, if you become a good Samaritan, the thug can then take you to court for assault. That's why so many people never want to get involved, it's sad.
That is sad, but you'd think the courts would have sympathy for such cases.
you would, and sometimes it does. But if their solicitor can prove you used more force than necessary, you're in trouble. British justice is the best money can buy!
Some in construction here in Spain - they keep a low profile. They are accepted. The ones not accepted are the Romanians as they have rep. for dishonesty. We have loads of Romanians and Bulgarians.
It was brave for Artur to help.Those attackers are not average Scots - sounds like they are druggie/drunk lowlifes.
Those numbers are way out, those are the census numbers iirc, hardly accurate.
I met a certain civil servant recently who reckons the number of Polish in Ireland is closer to 400k than 200k. The UK also have a lot of 'unregistered' Poles.
There are also a huge amount of Chinese in Ireland, but they are not as visible as Poles obviously.
I believe Iberia relaxed their laws with regard to immigrants last summer (summer '06) or at least since that document was published.
There are other reasons that people are ignoring why Ireland/UK are so favoured, for example:
Economic - The growth of the economy relative to the population, favourable ratio
Social Welfare - Strong social welfare system in UK, moderate in IRL
Language - 1st language in IRL/UK is English, majority of French/Spanish often refuse to speak English
Previous Immigrants - UK is overrun by immigrants already, but they fail to take any responsible action. Ireland never had much of an immigrant population before aside from a few thousand nigerian and romanian.
I met a certain civil servant recently who reckons the number of Polish in Ireland is closer to 400k than 200k. The UK also have a lot of 'unregistered' Poles.
There are also a huge amount of Chinese in Ireland, but they are not as visible as Poles obviously.
I believe Iberia relaxed their laws with regard to immigrants last summer (summer '06) or at least since that document was published.
There are other reasons that people are ignoring why Ireland/UK are so favoured, for example:
Economic - The growth of the economy relative to the population, favourable ratio
Social Welfare - Strong social welfare system in UK, moderate in IRL
Language - 1st language in IRL/UK is English, majority of French/Spanish often refuse to speak English
Previous Immigrants - UK is overrun by immigrants already, but they fail to take any responsible action. Ireland never had much of an immigrant population before aside from a few thousand nigerian and romanian.