City of Warsaw has a new praeambulum

City of Warszawa has its brand new constitution (statut), that has a praeambulum. It says

"Greatfull to past generations for their efforts to carry up Warszawa from the ruins, trustful that in work for our City we shall luck no strength nor persistence, the source of which for many of us is God, and for all - deep faith in a sense of public service"

The Left presented president Gronkiewicz with a catholic kneeler. Gronkiewicz said to jorunalists that the catholics are citizens of Poland and have therefore right to express their faith in public, including city government.

Warsaw has already constitution. Statute of the capital today passed a vote of no councilors . After many discussions, we all agreed to the preamble , which included a reference to God. In gratitude for this entry Warsaw mayor even got a gift . But not grateful Catholics . Spiteful young activists of the left have given her ... kneeler.

As much as I dislike HGW and as much I doubt that status of Warsaw really should have preamble, I must say that this decision is not that bad. Although this is some media trick to attract more Catholic voters to support PO. Craziness of political correctness is far more dangerous than unnecessary preamble.

The left also voted to accept this status, they are in Warsaw's ruling coalition. They always vote differently like they want to look like. In fact they are desperate and want to bring attention of people by all means. Hopefully they wont be able to cross threshold in the next parliamentary elections. In Tricity conglomeration not even single leftist managed to be elected to city councils. Whole Poland should follow this trend.

Religon and politics is a bad combination!

Preamble belong to politics only in sphere of propaganda. It has not influence on laws.

Note,it doesnt say "Catholic" God,so whats wrong with it? Is it any worse than the USA's In God we Trust?

It is so obvious that doesn't have to be mentioned.

If i may contribute to this preambulum...

having in mind tragic Polish, Western Slavic and Slavic history in general add next words into preambulum:

``WARSAWA IS FREE CITY. EVEN SLAVE IF COME TO WARSAWA, ON POLISH GROUND, IS SLAVE NO MORE``

[on the base of words from first Serbian constitution after Serbs liberates from Turks, 200 years ago. Ironically, those words were reason for first USA pressure on Serbs]

Long live Warsawa, piedmont of Sarmatia!

what is obvious?Have you a point or are you just being your usual trollish self?

I agree.

I think God should have been left out of the equation, and I say that coming from a country that wouldnt have such connotations in any preamble.

However, being mindful of the modern history of Poland, and the deep connection between Polish people and God, I can understand why.

thank you for your input, but if it hadn't been for this combination, we (Poland) would be probably still governed by some pseudo-socialist post-communist regime that would win every "free election" with 80-90% of votes (like in today's Belorussia or Russia).

So, being an atheist for 20 years, I don't mind those words about God in the preamble.

Since when Catholics use the term "Catholic God". According to Catholics, God is only one. So if you say "God", this is clear enough.

However in this form preamble fits also people of different religions.

my point exactly,thank you L'.

I'm very sorry, but I was under the impression that Solidarność defeated communism!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity]Solidarity

I don't see any link to religion!

Well, trust me, you don't really know even "official" version of what happened. Still this "official" version is very idealized, reality was not so "bright".

If you don't know Polish then this is very hard to find out proper information. I think that possibly this book might be good.

Poland's Transformation: A Work in Progress
amazon.com/Polands-Transformation-Marek-Jan-Chodakiewicz/dp/0967996023

As an outsider,and corect me if Im wrong,the conections are intertwinned and date back at least to the times of the Warsaw uprising. The Church played an integral part with the Home Army and the AK gained much moral /spiritual strengh through their faith. In communist times the only places where open memorials to the home army,free of political interferance ,could be placed were in Churches.Solidarity,in many ways was the inheritor of the Home Army/Underground Govt mantle and many families involved in the underground aspects of the solidarity movements were desendants of Underground govt/Home army people. And the solidarity people got a massive boost from the open support,and vist by,Pope John Paull 2.

thanks for providing me with the link to the English Wiki article about Solidarność, I couldn't find it without your help :)

you were under the impression, and I've lived through those times (born in 1970, never emigrated), so, hopefully I know what I'm talking about.


then you need to look harder (or maybe in the right place)

The church role in improving morals of Polish people under occupation was very important. The church stand staunchly in this position since partitions of Poland.