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Wage - Expenses = It Doesn't Add Up!!!


Kazikowski 17 | 101  
11 Dec 2008 /  #1
Hi, I know this kind of topic has been raised before, but perhaps people have new opinions of it.

If I were to move to Poland, I don't know how I would survive. My calculations show that I would be making negatives.

My job (Engineering, English) would get me ~1700zl a month.
A decent 1 room apartment/unit would run me in at $1500. So thats out of the question. I would have to settle for renting a small room for $1000zl.

That leaves me with $700zl for food, living supplies, transport, bills (water, electricity, phone), etc.

Bills would cost around $300 a month. So $400 is left.

Food could cost around $400 a month (and thats limiting), so so now I have $0.

I don't know how much cost living supplies and transport for a month, but I won't be able to afford them, let alone buy myself anything I would like.

Did I miscalculate something?

Courses are usually on the faculties of construction and trwają5 years. Often, you can also complete with engineer after 4 years of study , and an additional year and a half to devote to doing a master's degree . At many universities has to be done according to the ECTS credit point system . Within the direction you can choose from several or even a dozen specialties . The selection is made usually in the third year. This choice determines the scope of the thesis and subsequent job prospects .

This could be, for example . Structures and engineering that prepare graduates for the design and implementation of general construction , industrial and civil engineering . This specialization gives him a knowledge of the complex issues of engineering structures mechanics.

polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #2
My job (Engineering, English) would get me ~1700zl a month.

are you sure? i think, it'd be more...
plk123 8 | 4,142  
11 Dec 2008 /  #3
that's what i am thinking.. also poles seem to live on voodoo economics. i hear this all the time that stuff just doesn't add up.
polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #4
i know that people make only 1700-2000 but they aren't engineers with a degree...
plk123 8 | 4,142  
11 Dec 2008 /  #5
1500zl - 2000zl @ the beginning; 3.5k zl/5k zl after 2-3 years; after longer experience (probably 10y) anything is possible with the bottom being 5000zl but it could be as high as 7k-10k zl or more.

(this is for a civil eng. job)
polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #6
Wiele zależy od wielkości firmy i zasad wynagradzania.

that says a lot... where you work... the company, it's big or small and the company's policy...
plk123 8 | 4,142  
11 Dec 2008 /  #7
right but, that's the same around the globe. i was just trying to show him that he can make serious zł if he's good. :)
polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #8
i was just trying to show him that he can make serious zł if he's good. :)

good job :)
OP Kazikowski 17 | 101  
11 Dec 2008 /  #9
right but, that's the same around the globe. i was just trying to show him that he can make serious zł if he's good. :)

Graduate with no experience. No idea if I'm good.

i know that people make only 1700-2000 but they aren't engineers with a degree...

My cousin in Poland finished the same degree as me (i.e. Engineering with specializations in software and Hardware), so programming stuff. He earns 1700 a month, but lives with his parents still.

Perhaps its not too bad in the long run. Certainly the beginning will be hard.
polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #10
Perhaps its not too bad in the long run. Certainly the beginning will be hard.

you'll get better job... don't give up and look for the good comapnies... the beginnings are always hard but it only can get better :) don't sell yourself too cheap ;)
plk123 8 | 4,142  
11 Dec 2008 /  #11
Graduate with no experience. No idea if I'm good.

how did you do at the uni?

Perhaps its not too bad in the long run. Certainly the beginning will be hard.

yes it will be hard as it can be anywhere. a little easier here in the usa.
but there are ways. you'll have to figure it out. part of the game called life.

don't sell yourself too cheap

!!!!!!!!

Engineering with specializations in software and Hardware

oh, you can probably surf around that site i linked in my other quote to find your field of interest. it's always a good idea to know the average numbers prior to dealing with a potential employer. be sharp.
OP Kazikowski 17 | 101  
11 Dec 2008 /  #12
how did you do at the uni?

I did okay. Average mark was 70% for most assessment. The problem is that it was mostly theoretical, so getting out there to the "real" world is completely different.

part of the game called life.

Reminds me of a good movie "Jak Zyc" (How to Live)
slick77 - | 127  
11 Dec 2008 /  #13
Did I miscalculate something?

Your estimates are incorrect. Where did you get all those figures from?
polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #14
Your estimates are incorrect

what are your figures? let's compare them ....
plk123 8 | 4,142  
11 Dec 2008 /  #15
"Jak Zyc" (How to Live)

never heard of it. will look into it

so getting out there to the "real" world is completely different.

yes and no. you have to know the theory. that's fundamental. you will also have to learn a lot. it's going to be the practical stuff. if learning didn't come easy in school, it may be hard in the real job.




what are your figures? let's compare them ....

definitely would be nice...
slick77 - | 127  
11 Dec 2008 /  #16
My job (Engineering, English) would get me ~1700zl a month.
A decent 1 room apartment/unit would run me in at $1500. So thats out of the question. I would have to settle for renting a small room for $1000zl.

That leaves me with $700zl for food, living supplies, transport, bills (water, electricity, phone), etc.

Bills would cost around $300 a month. So $400 is left.

Food could cost around $400 a month (and thats limiting), so so now I have $0.

Engineering job in Poland would most likely get you a net income of 6,000-10,000 PLN

$1500 = 4400 PLN for 1 room appartment? that would have to be a really big room...1 room would most likely cost you around 500 PLN...and so on...
plk123 8 | 4,142  
11 Dec 2008 /  #17
$1500

i assumed 1500zł as he says 1000 right after that for the cheaper flat.
slick77 - | 127  
11 Dec 2008 /  #18
yes, not only his estimates are incorrect but he has them in different currencies...he must be confused
plk123 8 | 4,142  
11 Dec 2008 /  #19
he must be confused

well, seems we all may be confused around here. :D

how much would you estimate cost there? i think you're over inflating the salary for a rookie.
bolek 6 | 330  
12 Dec 2008 /  #20
A decent 1 room apartment/unit would run me in at $1500. So thats out of the question. I would have to settle for renting a small room for $1000zl

You still have to pay additional cost associated with living in the building say 200zl plus gas/electrity and water.
You should be able to earn approx 5000zl gross with your qualifications.
sobieski 106 | 2,118  
12 Dec 2008 /  #21
Tesco recruits staff for 1.800 PLN per month....definitely not engineers.
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
12 Dec 2008 /  #22
Voodoo economics, superb. Maybe another word that has v,o,d leads to this....
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177  
12 Dec 2008 /  #23
Tesco recruits staff for 1.800 PLN per month....definitely not engineers.

Have you got a source for this? I was telling someone about this and they couldn't believe that Tesco was offering so much...
sobieski 106 | 2,118  
13 Dec 2008 /  #24
Yes I have. In my local Tesco (Pruszków) there is a big big billboard telling that Tesco hires staff for, I think it was 1.783 PLN (could be a few PLN more or less).

In another Tesco where I come (Górczewska, Warsaw) I saw the same advertising.
Not that it is them doing any good. They still lack a lot of staff.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177  
13 Dec 2008 /  #25
Excellent, thank you for that...I can now win the argument :)
zion 16 | 168  
13 Dec 2008 /  #26
1.783

But I must tell you this is gross after taxes been take is way much less
wildrover 98 | 4,441  
13 Dec 2008 /  #27
Wage - Expenses = It Doesn't Add Up!!!

Welcome to Poland....
telefonitika  
13 Dec 2008 /  #28
They still lack a lot of staff

and some that dont smile as well esp the ones from the agencies working the christmas period perhaps ;P
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177  
13 Dec 2008 /  #29
But I must tell you this is gross after taxes been take is way much less

Oh, of course, I assumed so though :)

Crazy though, 1800zl-ish isn't exactly a bad salary.
OP Kazikowski 17 | 101  
15 Dec 2008 /  #30
Sorry for late response. I re-evaluated the cost of living thing, and took into consideration all posts here. I came to the conclusion that 1800-2000zl should be minimal for an IT/Engineering graduate. 3000zl for someone with ~2 years experience or a good portfolio.

Wage - Expenses = Eventually it will add up

I WILL not sell myself short, and if an employer laughs at my salary demand, I would laugh right back at them. Thanks all for your help here.

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