Wage - Expenses = It Doesn't Add Up!!!

Hi, I know this kind of topic has been raised before, but perhaps people have new opinions of it.

If I were to move to Poland, I don't know how I would survive. My calculations show that I would be making negatives.

My job (Engineering, English) would get me ~1700zl a month.
A decent 1 room apartment/unit would run me in at $1500. So thats out of the question. I would have to settle for renting a small room for $1000zl.

That leaves me with $700zl for food, living supplies, transport, bills (water, electricity, phone), etc.

Bills would cost around $300 a month. So $400 is left.

Food could cost around $400 a month (and thats limiting), so so now I have $0.

I don't know how much cost living supplies and transport for a month, but I won't be able to afford them, let alone buy myself anything I would like.

Did I miscalculate something?

Courses are usually on the faculties of construction and trwają5 years. Often, you can also complete with engineer after 4 years of study , and an additional year and a half to devote to doing a master's degree . At many universities has to be done according to the ECTS credit point system . Within the direction you can choose from several or even a dozen specialties . The selection is made usually in the third year. This choice determines the scope of the thesis and subsequent job prospects .

This could be, for example . Structures and engineering that prepare graduates for the design and implementation of general construction , industrial and civil engineering . This specialization gives him a knowledge of the complex issues of engineering structures mechanics.

are you sure? i think, it'd be more...

that's what i am thinking.. also poles seem to live on voodoo economics. i hear this all the time that stuff just doesn't add up.

i know that people make only 1700-2000 but they aren't engineers with a degree...

1500zl - 2000zl @ the beginning; 3.5k zl/5k zl after 2-3 years; after longer experience (probably 10y) anything is possible with the bottom being 5000zl but it could be as high as 7k-10k zl or more.

(this is for a civil eng. job)

that says a lot... where you work... the company, it's big or small and the company's policy...

right but, that's the same around the globe. i was just trying to show him that he can make serious zł if he's good. :)

good job :)

Graduate with no experience. No idea if I'm good.


My cousin in Poland finished the same degree as me (i.e. Engineering with specializations in software and Hardware), so programming stuff. He earns 1700 a month, but lives with his parents still.

Perhaps its not too bad in the long run. Certainly the beginning will be hard.

you'll get better job... don't give up and look for the good comapnies... the beginnings are always hard but it only can get better :) don't sell yourself too cheap ;)

how did you do at the uni?


yes it will be hard as it can be anywhere. a little easier here in the usa.
but there are ways. you'll have to figure it out. part of the game called life.


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oh, you can probably surf around that site i linked in my other quote to find your field of interest. it's always a good idea to know the average numbers prior to dealing with a potential employer. be sharp.

I did okay. Average mark was 70% for most assessment. The problem is that it was mostly theoretical, so getting out there to the "real" world is completely different.


Reminds me of a good movie "Jak Zyc" (How to Live)

Your estimates are incorrect. Where did you get all those figures from?

what are your figures? let's compare them ....

never heard of it. will look into it


yes and no. you have to know the theory. that's fundamental. you will also have to learn a lot. it's going to be the practical stuff. if learning didn't come easy in school, it may be hard in the real job.

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definitely would be nice...

Engineering job in Poland would most likely get you a net income of 6,000-10,000 PLN

$1500 = 4400 PLN for 1 room appartment? that would have to be a really big room...1 room would most likely cost you around 500 PLN...and so on...

i assumed 1500zł as he says 1000Z£ right after that for the cheaper flat.

yes, not only his estimates are incorrect but he has them in different currencies...he must be confused

well, seems we all may be confused around here. :D

how much would you estimate cost there? i think you're over inflating the salary for a rookie.

You still have to pay additional cost associated with living in the building say 200zl plus gas/electrity and water.
You should be able to earn approx 5000zl gross with your qualifications.

Tesco recruits staff for 1.800 PLN per month....definitely not engineers.

Voodoo economics, superb. Maybe another word that has v,o,d leads to this....

Have you got a source for this? I was telling someone about this and they couldn't believe that Tesco was offering so much...

Yes I have. In my local Tesco (Pruszków) there is a big big billboard telling that Tesco hires staff for, I think it was 1.783 PLN (could be a few PLN more or less).

In another Tesco where I come (Górczewska, Warsaw) I saw the same advertising.
Not that it is them doing any good. They still lack a lot of staff.

Excellent, thank you for that...I can now win the argument :)

But I must tell you this is gross after taxes been take is way much less

Welcome to Poland....

and some that dont smile as well esp the ones from the agencies working the christmas period perhaps ;P

Oh, of course, I assumed so though :)

Crazy though, 1800zl-ish isn't exactly a bad salary.

Sorry for late response. I re-evaluated the cost of living thing, and took into consideration all posts here. I came to the conclusion that 1800-2000zl should be minimal for an IT/Engineering graduate. 3000zl for someone with ~2 years experience or a good portfolio.

Wage - Expenses = Eventually it will add up

I WILL not sell myself short, and if an employer laughs at my salary demand, I would laugh right back at them. Thanks all for your help here.