How do Polish view others

you could say that about almost every nation. Wonder why anybody could have such a low opinion of a nation and in particular a misogynistic one about the female of a nation and then marry one? I would think the wife of such a person were they to be writing negative things about such a person for example ones wife or girlfriend that this persons wife or girlfriend was seeking some sort of gratification elsewhere or if she wasn't, one couldn't blame her if she did.

When I was a student in Krakow in 1985 the Americans, and there were many there with me on the same course had the most low and degrading opinions about the Poles and their country-I should know as I even shared a room with one for six weeks.

And why the hell do you think that anyone here cares what you or some "Americans" think ? Dude, you're a joke.

This shows a problem in your posts. You seem stuck in the past and that is why it is difficult to take you seriously. Poland has moved on a lot since 1985. If you are going to involve yourself in debate it would help to bring yourself up to date. Americans I have met, in modern Poland, have a positive opinion of the country.

This post will probably go over your head, as you enjoy flaming so much.
I challenge you to say something nice about Poland and its people.

Well said.


Well if those people would come here to live in another country and spend their time slagging it off then they are very very low. Shame that we have that problem in England too. How many people come here from foreign countries and attack our laws and cultures. Thats why I have respect for Polish people they just try to live their lives and become part of England.

ukinpoland,

Michal is talking about a time when Poland was part of the Eastern Block. Opinions were different then. I'm sure that those Americans he speaks of will have changed there views by now. However, Michal doesn't seem to have done so. I doubt anything we say will change his agenda.

However i dont think the period of time matters. If someone goes to live in someone else's country then they should respect those people and not criticise their country.

In order to do that one has to be curious and open. It is not an easy thing to do.

Dont you think one has to be these things to move country in the first place?

generally yes. It depends why one moves to another country.
Some people do their homework/ some don't and jump right into in and from my experience it is always different than what we expect - just a human nature - I believe.

Most people have preconceptions and I blame the media and the internet for it.
This site is not a representation of what one would experience in Poland but some people might take it at the face value.

True. Most of Napoleons troops were Polish in the invasion of Russia, I believe.

There was an entire army fighting for the French in WW1, The Blue Army.

hallersarmy.com

There is a lot of connection between France and Poland. The French had 400 officers as advisors to Poland in the 1919-20 war against the Bolsheviks and quite a lot of arms were supplied by the French.

The reason for France's interest in Poland is their common neighbour...

They had a program on the history channel about this, and they said most of the troops were Poles and Germans.

Not to mention the Chopin connection as well and mentioning the Bolshevik war a young officer named Charles deGaulle was one of those advisors who were in Polandduring that war.

And I believe he was a fairly important French figure in history.
No Poland France connection indeed!

I am coming (maybe) to Poland in July some time for a week to Zakopany, to the mountains. I will be able to see the 'new Poland' for myself. Time flies, 1985 is over twenty years ago so I will see for myself the changes.


De Gaulle set up the Free French in London during the war so it shows how little you know.

but i think Polish are really great people :-)

Some are and some are not. Like any race, you will need to be careful. The Poles have a bad reputation in using other people.

Not where I come from.

Read Norman Davies Mick theres a photo of DeGaulle in Poland during the Bolshevik War,
The book is "White Eagle Red Star"

After the Armistice de Gaulle was assigned to a Polish division being formed in France where he served under Maxime Weygand. He fought against the Red Army during the Civil War and won Poland's highest military decoration, Virtuti Militari.

Maybe you should study your history before you act like an arrogant yutz

spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdegaulle.htm

Boleshevik War not World War Two ! didn't read carefully enough looking for a way to make TheKruk look stupid and look what happened.

Mind you, the English tend to refer to the place as Zaponany when spoken just as we have Warsaw for Warszawa and Krakow for Krakow. I have not said anything bad about Zakopane and I have been there in 1985. The mountains were beautiful and I am looking forward to going back to see the place again.

would that be the same ignorant bunch that refer to Krakow as Cracow...?

Well I guess I can't really blame Michal for saying Poland was in a crappy state in 1985, it was under Soviet rule, because if it wasn't then they wouldn't have revolted against the Soviets so often. However, since you are studying law, you should know that making a judgement about Poland based on data collected more that 20 years back is a fallacy and your low opinion of Poland would hold no grounds. As you said,


and I sincerely hope you do live up to the second part of that sentence.

I live up to the present times too. A very nasty country with a lot of very nasty people. I have seen so much over my life time in Russia, Poland and South Africa in the 1970's. Not long ago, my Father-In-Law died of heart failure in the backyard of his little farm house in a little village near Czestochowa. One of his son-in laws inherited the house as he was a farmer and could therefore plough the land. Instead, he decided to burgal the house in the night and then he set fire to the house and burnt it to the ground to claim the insurance money simply to pay for the reception of one of his daughter's weddings! I have seen everything in Poland and only a Pole could stoop so low. I, for my own part, never wish to return there.

french language sounds gay

Some of the sounds in French are replicated in Polish too.

sounds gay ? what do you mean ? happy or homosexual ?
Someone said that french are very racists and south of France is so dangerous that policeman are aifraid to go there ?! Perhaps the criminal rate is high in one big city (Marseille), but it's not the civil war !!! no, really, south of France is a very good place (not everywhere of course ). I think parisian suburbs and north of france, it's worse.

French are not racist, but some of our politicians knows how to scared them, by saying that immigrants will steal there jobs if we still let them coming in our country.

The knowledge of French people about Poland and Poles are very bad ...( myself i'm ignorant, but next academic year, i'm going to study at Wroclaw uni, and I hope I will learn to know you better ! )

So, (and thanks to the media), for a lot of french, Poland come down to :
For the more ignorants : the polish plumber, john paul II and ultra catholicism country, which is a part of the Third World...
-People who read newspapers (not only watch TV for informations )knows a little more about Poland : 2 twins lead the country ( nobody know their too complicate name ) and they are close to the extrem rigth. And the only political thing currently which interest ( a little ) french media is the "witches haunt" towards former collaborators with communists, and missile shield of Bush, which give to Poland a very bad image of new "Troie horse" of the USA in Europe.

So, nowadays, french don't have very positive sight of polish,but it's due to their lack of knowledge of Poland . But it's not specify to Poland, it's the same thing for all the others news members of UE.

But french point of view about poland is more positive about History : a country which have suffer a lot, Solidarnosc and the fall of communism, poland and france have been very often allies during wars ...

But be careful at what I write : Each french doesn't think like I have describe it, and what I say is just what I feel when I read and hear media and when I speak with some people, (not all French !)

thank you

PS: and sorry for my english not very good, it's well-known, french doesn't know how learn foreign languages ...

'Michal' sez about Poland: 'A very nasty country with a lot of very nasty people.'

Then as evidence of this alleged exceptional nastiness of the Poles he gives the example of a chap who burnt his house down to claim the insurance money.

Michal suggests that only a Pole could do such an outrageous thing.

Really?

I think it would be safe on my part to state that countless folks throughout the world have been doing just the same thing - burning or otherwise destroying their property in order to get the insurance.

For example, some two years ago a Jewish fellow, if I remember, in Krakow, burnt his (dentist?) establishment, having daubed it with a 'Nazi' graffitti, in order to fake a 'racist' attack, then complained to the police.

Would Michal call him 'very nasty'? Was his deed better or worse than the setting fire to own house by the Polish farmer (perhaps a very poor man?) to get the insurance money for his daughter's wedding?

How about other bad deeds throughout the world? Are they really better than the Polish farmer's setting fire to his house?

Maybe it's not the Poles who are 'very nasty;' maybe it's Michal who is a very nasty and hateful Polonophobe? Hm, if Michal hates us so much, why does he creeps into a Polish forum? In order to hurt the Poles and spread hate towards us, right?

:)