good Miranda i am proud of you
polish lady with ambition:)
polish lady with ambition:)
Question regarding Polish women vs Jobs abroad
ArturSzastak 3 | 593
10 Apr 2007 / #32
I will never be a cleaning lady
HAHAHA......you'll wear the outfit :)
It won't be used for cleaning though.......
miranda
10 Apr 2007 / #33
Witek,
actually I am Ukrainian, but was born in Poland:)m maybe that's why I am more ambitious:)
Artur,
I prefer the man to clean, somhow they seem to be better at it, nothning sexist, just facts:)
actually I am Ukrainian, but was born in Poland:)m maybe that's why I am more ambitious:)
Artur,
I prefer the man to clean, somhow they seem to be better at it, nothning sexist, just facts:)
ArturSzastak 3 | 593
10 Apr 2007 / #34
Artur,
I prefer the man to clean, somhow they seem to be better at it, nothning sexist, just facts
I prefer the man to clean, somhow they seem to be better at it, nothning sexist, just facts
So I will have to spawn the "Sexy Maid" outfit? Sounds like a plan......when and where?
a man cleaning :)
i have to see it to believe it:)
i have to see it to believe it:)
ArturSzastak 3 | 593
10 Apr 2007 / #36
i have to see it to believe it
You haven't cleaned????? Ever? In your entire life?
yes i have cleaned :)
miranda
10 Apr 2007 / #38
Witek,
you don't trust my abilities to persuade people?
see, Artur is willing to grab the mop
you don't trust my abilities to persuade people?
see, Artur is willing to grab the mop
ArturSzastak 3 | 593
10 Apr 2007 / #39
you don't trust my abilities to persuade people?
Hey man, she's got me wearing the outfit :)
miranda
10 Apr 2007 / #40
of your choice Artur, doesn't look like you need cleaning tips
ArturSzastak 3 | 593
10 Apr 2007 / #41
cooks and animal haters!!!
Hey now....my cat was hunting to survive :)
bookratt
10 Apr 2007 / #42
Yes, they got hit bad and there are more jobs to be lost, any day now. You can't have a $1.6 billion loss last year, then in the first quarter of this year, pay out $23 million to a new CEO, who has been there only 4 months, and hope to make a profit.
That's what just happened at GM in Detroit.
money.cnn.com/2007/03/23/news/companies/bc.gm.bonuses.reut/index.htm?p ostversion=2007032306
In the same period (2006), Toyota increased profits by $3.5 Billion.
Daimler Benz is selling their stake in Chrysler (probably to a French or Japanese owned company, though a Korean firm is a possibility also).
Unions in the US (except in state-run enterprises and in education) are on their way out, as are the "big three" auto makers, GM, FORD and Chrysler, like it or not.
money.cnn.com/2007/02/28/news/card_check/index.htm
I am an American living between Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Youngstown, Ohio, in the "rust belt". A very pro-union area.
But if we don't get our heads out of our butts and fix things, instead of complaining about it, we will only see more layoffs and relocations to other places and countries, where labor and building and maintenance costs are less.
That's what just happened at GM in Detroit.
money.cnn.com/2007/03/23/news/companies/bc.gm.bonuses.reut/index.htm?p ostversion=2007032306
In the same period (2006), Toyota increased profits by $3.5 Billion.
Daimler Benz is selling their stake in Chrysler (probably to a French or Japanese owned company, though a Korean firm is a possibility also).
Unions in the US (except in state-run enterprises and in education) are on their way out, as are the "big three" auto makers, GM, FORD and Chrysler, like it or not.
money.cnn.com/2007/02/28/news/card_check/index.htm
I am an American living between Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Youngstown, Ohio, in the "rust belt". A very pro-union area.
But if we don't get our heads out of our butts and fix things, instead of complaining about it, we will only see more layoffs and relocations to other places and countries, where labor and building and maintenance costs are less.
kkustron
10 Apr 2007 / #43
Not all Polish women are cleaning ladies.
I am an engineer, employed, and just need to finish my thesis to complete the requirements for my doctorate.
My cleaning lady is not Polish.
I am an engineer, employed, and just need to finish my thesis to complete the requirements for my doctorate.
My cleaning lady is not Polish.
good for you kkustrom :)
Patrycja19 61 | 2679
10 Apr 2007 / #45
sorry to inform you but there have been major layoffs in both Canada and the USA IN THE Auto manufacturing sector
yeah, and then they hire again..my brother works labor, makes alot of money
no layoffs. Im not saying it isnt impossible, but degree or not degree, layoffs
happen, hillary save us!!!!
But if we don't get our heads out of our butts and fix things,
get george out of office. i dont know about you, but I noticed the downhill stretch
since his inaugeration... hes not for the people of America. not in my belief.
get george out of office. i dont know about you, but I noticed the downhill stretch
since his inaugeration... hes not for the people of America. not in my belief.
since his inaugeration... hes not for the people of America. not in my belief.
No he's not for the people, he is for big oil and other large corporations. If he doesn't go soon, we will all be working as cleaning help! :(
Patrycja19 61 | 2679
11 Apr 2007 / #47
Hillary!!!! help us.. shes got my vote..
Yeah, me too!
luka
11 Apr 2007 / #49
Miranda - na litosc boska - "Im Ukrainian", "taht's why I'm more ambitious" you are not serious ha ha ha, we have your pepole working in Poland as all sorts ha ha ha more ambitious ha ha ha!!!!!
And to Witek - u r a poor soul
And to Witek - u r a poor soul
Giles
11 Apr 2007 / #50
"why do Polish women always have to be house-maids or cleaning ladies?why? From Chicago to New York to London, England we see most of the cleaning ladies being polish.
even girls with university degrees are cleaning homes and apartments. it is sad as they are wasting their lives. yet i rarely see Russian girls as cleaning ladies why? are they more ambitious?
then there are the polish men abroad. 90% of them work construction jobs which often pay good however why can't we see more Poles in banking, engineering or computer science fields? "
1) New immigrant groups often head into cleaning work for the following reasons.
a) They don't need the language.
b) Often the agencies they work for are run by people of their own ethnic group.
c) Part-time work, suits students and mothers. Traditionally specifically in domestic cleaning (flats, houses) as opposed to commercial cleaning (offices, shops etc).
Women have held these positions. Commercial cleaning has as many men as women these days.
d) The skills need to do this job are skills which in more traditional countries have been passed at an early age from mother to daughter.
I could disappear up my own ass in pschobabble about tidy, home tidy mind , etc but I won't.
In central London, a huge amount of the commercial contracts are run and staffed by Colombians. Don't ask, why I don't know. Thats just the way it is.
In the UK and London specifically Russians are of the upper escheleons of society.
Now the Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Belarus, ex-soviet satelite states tend to do much the same work as the Polish.
Again the comment about women who have degrees wasting their lives, well its no where near as simple as that and I think the Polish in the UK are ambitious, it takes balls just to leave your homeland, you've got to want something more to do so.
There are a huge amount of people in the UK who have University degrees, from well recognized Universities, not to mention the plethora of old polytechnics, who cannot find work in banking, engineering, administration, teaching, so called proffesions.
How much more challenging for non-natives to find these jobs, they have to be twice as good.
My french cousin, came to the UK after Grandes Ecole to study for her MBA in the Uk, and then entered publishing and PR. She is a smart cookie, with years of study, but she needed this to compete with the natives.
Slowly as the Polish settle into a more developed relationship with the UK work place, and the language barrier more comprehensively dealt with more and more Poles will assume more proffesional roles.
Already the flight of the Polish doctors and nurses is well documented phenomena.
The legal system, thats self explanatory, but no doubt as European law comes to the fore, there will be more Polish legal begals in the UK and Europe.
The irony will be, that as Poland develops, the proffesional classes in poland will be paid more by the international companies operating their, so the incentive to move for those in this bracket will decrease.
However, for the youth market and the lower less educated, less connected classes, then Europe provides a very plausible employer within the lower skilled markets.
Also many of the Polish are here for temporary work.
even girls with university degrees are cleaning homes and apartments. it is sad as they are wasting their lives. yet i rarely see Russian girls as cleaning ladies why? are they more ambitious?
then there are the polish men abroad. 90% of them work construction jobs which often pay good however why can't we see more Poles in banking, engineering or computer science fields? "
1) New immigrant groups often head into cleaning work for the following reasons.
a) They don't need the language.
b) Often the agencies they work for are run by people of their own ethnic group.
c) Part-time work, suits students and mothers. Traditionally specifically in domestic cleaning (flats, houses) as opposed to commercial cleaning (offices, shops etc).
Women have held these positions. Commercial cleaning has as many men as women these days.
d) The skills need to do this job are skills which in more traditional countries have been passed at an early age from mother to daughter.
I could disappear up my own ass in pschobabble about tidy, home tidy mind , etc but I won't.
In central London, a huge amount of the commercial contracts are run and staffed by Colombians. Don't ask, why I don't know. Thats just the way it is.
In the UK and London specifically Russians are of the upper escheleons of society.
Now the Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Belarus, ex-soviet satelite states tend to do much the same work as the Polish.
Again the comment about women who have degrees wasting their lives, well its no where near as simple as that and I think the Polish in the UK are ambitious, it takes balls just to leave your homeland, you've got to want something more to do so.
There are a huge amount of people in the UK who have University degrees, from well recognized Universities, not to mention the plethora of old polytechnics, who cannot find work in banking, engineering, administration, teaching, so called proffesions.
How much more challenging for non-natives to find these jobs, they have to be twice as good.
My french cousin, came to the UK after Grandes Ecole to study for her MBA in the Uk, and then entered publishing and PR. She is a smart cookie, with years of study, but she needed this to compete with the natives.
Slowly as the Polish settle into a more developed relationship with the UK work place, and the language barrier more comprehensively dealt with more and more Poles will assume more proffesional roles.
Already the flight of the Polish doctors and nurses is well documented phenomena.
The legal system, thats self explanatory, but no doubt as European law comes to the fore, there will be more Polish legal begals in the UK and Europe.
The irony will be, that as Poland develops, the proffesional classes in poland will be paid more by the international companies operating their, so the incentive to move for those in this bracket will decrease.
However, for the youth market and the lower less educated, less connected classes, then Europe provides a very plausible employer within the lower skilled markets.
Also many of the Polish are here for temporary work.
luka
11 Apr 2007 / #51
Tank you Giles
Im a lady of lesure too(your profile) have three citizenships, travel literrally around the world, speek few languages which i use in my travels, and yes I have done some cleaning and ironong in my beginings in the foreign lands, and proud of that - Uni day time - work in the night, I don't know how i managed, but if you Polish you have to overcome those stereotypes, be strong and follow your dreams.
Im a lady of lesure too(your profile) have three citizenships, travel literrally around the world, speek few languages which i use in my travels, and yes I have done some cleaning and ironong in my beginings in the foreign lands, and proud of that - Uni day time - work in the night, I don't know how i managed, but if you Polish you have to overcome those stereotypes, be strong and follow your dreams.
a huge amount of the commercial contracts are run and staffed by Colombians
true, but you forgot about the Nigerians.. most contract cleaners I know in the UK are Nigerians and many of them have degrees from back home.
Giles
11 Apr 2007 / #53
Also true.
My missus was laughing about one of her best friends who is Polish and lives here in london with her BF, and they have a Polish cleaner. My missus found out through another friend because best friend is too embarassed to admit it. hehehe:)
My missus was laughing about one of her best friends who is Polish and lives here in london with her BF, and they have a Polish cleaner. My missus found out through another friend because best friend is too embarassed to admit it. hehehe:)
Miranda - na litosc boska - "Im Ukrainian", "taht's why I'm more ambitious" you are not serious ha ha ha, we have your pepole working in Poland as all sorts ha ha ha more ambitious ha ha ha!!!!!
Geezus... that was a joke...
In the UK and London specifically Russians are of the upper escheleons of society.
That's because very often they are people, who got rich in 90's on not very honest privatizations and after Putin came to power they left, because were affraid of treatement ex-owner of Yukos got - work camp in Siberia. If UK opened the borders for normal Russians, the whole island would probably sink under weight of people willing to work for half of minimal wage.
Giles
11 Apr 2007 / #55
I totally agree Greg, just couldn't be arsed to write what you did. but absolute spot on.
miranda
11 Apr 2007 / #56
Luka,
I was joking, so next time try to read carefully please:)
As for ambition, I don't think it's connected to any nationality, as for cleaning, it has everything to do with the circumstances. Yes, a lot of Ukrainians work in Poland under the table and are being taken adventage of by their Polish employers. Their status is illegal most of the time, and I just like to remind you that a lot of young Polish people are being taken advantage of elswere, which doesn't make them less ambitious, does it?
PS. you spelling is quite sloppy for the Uni graduate:)
Powodzenia.
I was joking, so next time try to read carefully please:)
As for ambition, I don't think it's connected to any nationality, as for cleaning, it has everything to do with the circumstances. Yes, a lot of Ukrainians work in Poland under the table and are being taken adventage of by their Polish employers. Their status is illegal most of the time, and I just like to remind you that a lot of young Polish people are being taken advantage of elswere, which doesn't make them less ambitious, does it?
PS. you spelling is quite sloppy for the Uni graduate:)
Powodzenia.
i want to get a Polish cleaner.. was thinking about my bf's ex, but I guess she wouldnt be too happy...still a job's a job innit.
what about naked cleaning:)
yes Razz.. are you offering? naked Polish women dont really appeal to me, but a naked Polish man cleaning.. mmmm. Have to do it when the bfs out though.. dont think he'd be too happy.
yes Razz.. are you offering
you just wish :) the sexy razz do the naked cleaning for you.