Poles that have lived or live abroad are they different?

That's also true enough, Seanny. There are many opportunities with global firms here for those who have markedly improved their English. Competition is fierce but the acquisition of English really improves their chances.

They learn that there is a world beyond FCE and CAE ;)

And the experienced they gained abroad in customer service, for an example.
You know yourself, some places here are run the same why they were during communism, sheer madness.


Is that an anagram of something? :)

Dealing with different people is such an important skill, it cannot be overstated. Poland will, in its own time, become more international. Their skills will stand them in good stead then. The lure of the girls seems to be enough for some people. Some places are run anachronistically, yes, but we can't blame them at all. We must always pinch ourselves as a reminder that it was imposed and it was a regime that inculcates/entrenches certain ways of doing things. I sometimes think that Tusk, being rather weak, was talked out of the changes to reduce bureaucracy.

First Certificate of English and Cambridge Advanced English but I'm sure you knew that ;)

you are somehow mislead - Tusk has got rid of all his political rivals in his party - his weakness is in relying on current establishment to further his presidential ambition - he has no program for the country - just for himself - I hope you realize how dangerous for the country it is

Ha ha me too only problem is i have now become one. Well only on here.


Tornado you surprise me with that comment, cant say i back it, but if there is an elemant of truth in that id assume Poles after living in the UK assume its OK to Fcuk around as the Brits do it all the time.


What in Poland? its around 4.30 PLN for a litre thats £0.90, whats the going rate for a litre in the UK right now? around a £1.10? Hardly dirt cheap: theres no escaping oil rates....

£1.03, robbing fcuks!

Gumishu, this is about Poles that have lived abroad and not Tusk. I wanted only to make a passing comment on him. Compared to other leaders, I feel him to be weak, sorry.

Any thoughts on the thread, Gumi?

no personal exposure - i haven't actually lived in England - I just was there - and hmm only know two people who came back from Ireland and I don't know them well

dirt cheap - you get six liters per hour of work at the minimum wage. In Poland - 1,5 liters.

cars are dirt cheap as well. but rent is very expensive. (that is not a pun, defenders of England! that is a comparison!)

Thats the old comparison of you can afford more in the UK as the wages are higher, petrol is expensive in Poland period. You saying avergae wage in PL is 6 pln / hour, i pay that for the kids that work for me. Tradesmen usually 100 PLN just to pick them up, a days work from a tradesman generally sets me back 200 PLN around 25 pln / hour.


So it is in Poland right now, in the big cities anyway, a nice apartment in a good neighbourhood lets say 70 sq meters is 1800 PLN all day long.

I must admit given the wages etc in Poland petrol is expensive in comparison.

I don't rent so i will take your word for it.

From the fact that almost every Brit can earn £150 / week yes i agree. Poland is not so cheap anymore, im starting a thread on it actually.

no, no, that's the minimum. 25 for a tradesman? so they are earning more than engineers.

i was making a serious point in a jokey sort of way, i think it has a lot to do with culture, i mean for a start the average age a person in the UK to lose their virginity is a lot lower than in Poland.


I would say there is a bit of that yes, i've seen one particular girl (don't see her anymore or even talk to her) change while in England. She arrived as a virgin, hoping to wait for the right person, etc etc and after 2 years had turned into someody who had one night stands on a regular basis. She even took to having multiple partners at the same time, so more like the slags you might see out and about on a saturday night :). So yes, i think your point is more than valid, in a way it is ashame people lose their values but i guess thats life.

It was an Englishman who said "it seems very hard to have just one girl, when there are a million in the world". A top song too, highly underrated. Any guesses?

What ever i pay 6PLN for manual labour, mostly kids chopping wood.

Engineers! what a biological engineer or a mechanic? Engineer is too widely used as a great job. What do you do? Ohh im an engineer, well you must be loaded then, problem is hes a window engineer, a visual manager translates in real terms to window cleaner.

Engineer my ass. Im a fcuking technical IT resource manager, manager, director, building supervisor and company engineer.

engineer as in mgr. inż. it's funny that in English engineer is someone who fixes engines!

director you say... what does your wife says about it?

They become more materialistic and lose some slavic traits.


You think so.

I guess their materialism was just suppressed before, southern, and that's the mistake you are making. They didn't have the means to be so materialistic before and now they can be. The instincts were likely there, though.

Slavic traits, for example?

What


Mechanical engineer, not someone that fixes engines.

What does engineer mean in Poland my brother in laws an engineer. Wow engineer, hes still earning 1800 pln / month !engineer! woopdy fcukin doo. You need a qualification to take a crap in Poland.

YES

where did you meat such an idiots?! lol

The guys I know who've returned now understand my point of view when I'm moaning about poor service in shops, bad drivers and idiot bureaucracy in Poland.

Yes, Poles that have lived abroad are different to YOU as now they know YOU better.
class 101

whats that supposed to mean? Youre probably thinking im Polish right especially after seeing my muscular manly figure but im English sweety pie.

It really depends on how much they integrate abroad. If they stay in their own little enclaves, they are gonna be as they have always been. Those that nip off for some Tyskie, a jar of pickles and some Polish bread will likely be trying to recreate home but with more money under their belt.

Those that mingle with the locals will be influenced by them. One of my sister's Polish friends has taken to speaking Scottish at every opportunity and said that he doesn't want to return to the morbid humdrum existence that he had here.

Poles who don't integrate seem to me better.

Where i met my wife there was this Polish dude who i nicknamed the Bulldog, i often used to see the Bulldog on the street drinking cans of beer. i guess he just missed home hey? I dont think he realised how much of a scum bag it made him look but then again why the hell would he care.........

Southern, that's an anti-social statement. Why shun Poles for going out and drinking alongside Brits? Why have a hack at those who go to integration activities through clubs, speeches etc etc?

WB, I don't know how it is in Wrocław but I don't see too much drinking on the streets here. I often see old dudes with unopened beer bottles or cans in their hands, usually cans as they are cheaper.

Its more of a country bumpkin type of ting. I did it once in Wroclaw well the outscirts Klechina to be exact, just had an argument with the missus and needed a couple of de-stressers. The shop owner came out and asked me to move on. I pulled the old "nie rozumierm po Polsku" but it didnt work. Fair play i says.