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Wonderful Poland.......but the attitude of Polish people


Victoria-Guest  
29 May 2009 /  #61
I think Polish People feel that they aren't 100% Polish but mixtures of Russian, Slovnia, Turks, German, Sweden and others. They are confused who they are and wanted to know their histories. They can be nice if they want to.
new-expat  
29 May 2009 /  #62
Yes, you are inventing this.

Please read the whole sentence : "some polish friends themselves also tell me that Polish are a bit racist"

No, I'm not inventing it, definitely not, sorry. Not my fault if they're just honnest enough to acknowledge it.

Taking pictures could be flattering. It means people care enough to capture your image

Most people want their photo taken

C'mon. Please. They clicked pics of her because she's black and they've never seen that before. Maybe it's not racism but they did it like she was an animal. And no one could be flattered to be considered like this,
Torq  
29 May 2009 /  #63
I think Polish People feel that they aren't 100% Polish but mixtures of Russian, Slovnia, Turks, German, Sweden and others.

True.

There is no such thing as 100% Polish (in genetical sense). Thousand years
of wars and mixing with Germans, Tatars, Russians, Turks, Swedes, Jews, Scots
and many other nationalities is enough to make us realize that talking about being
100% Polish doesn't make much sense. Being Polish is not about your skin tone or
hair colour but about your heart and soul (and in this way - it is possible to be 100%
Pole).

They are confused who they are

False.

We are Polish in our language, history, customs, hearts and souls.

wanted to know their histories

Erm... true.

They can be nice if they want to

True again.

So it's True - False 3:1 - not bad for your first post, Victoria ;)
new-expat  
29 May 2009 /  #64
ah ah ah !

They can be nice if they want to

Oh really ? I thought they all were a bunch of drunk, stupid, jobeless, junky, violent and racist fools :)

Of course they can be nice too - hopefully !
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650  
29 May 2009 /  #65
C'mon. Please. They clicked pics of her because she's black and they've never seen that before. Maybe it's not racism but they did it like she was an animal. And no one could be flattered to be considered like this,

Okay, for one thing. You complained about youths yelling because they were drunk. Well, let me tell you, you can pretty much discount most of what people do when they are drunk. Most do not act the same drunk as they do sober and alcohol generally causes people to act kinda crazy and stupid. When a drunk does or says something you think "what a drunk" and ignore it. It's really got nothing to do with reality.

If they took pictures of her because she is black that is not a bad thing either. I don't understand why it's such an issue. Let's say you see an attractive guy and you have a camera and you think man, he's hot and you take his picture. Does this mean you're viewing him as an animal for taking that opportunity to get a photo of a cute guy?
new-expat  
29 May 2009 /  #66
You complained about youths yelling because they were drunk

If they took pictures of her because she is black that is not a bad thing either

Sorry plastic pole, I've never seen so much bad faith - or is it misunderstanding ? Or maybe both. Anyway

1) I'm not complaining about youths yelling because they were drunk, I was complaining about what they said. Drunk or not, it's just something I've never heard anywhere else. In UK or in US where guys get pissed quite often :) I've never heard such cr*p.

2) I don't care if your hobbies is to take pics of handsome guys :), it's not mine. But the reasons why you click pick of a handsome guy and picks of a black girl are definitely not the same (don't tell me they are).
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650  
29 May 2009 /  #67
I think you are projecting too much into the photo op. They take a picture. So? What does it matter? I'm light skinned caucasian and once I was in my front yard. Someone drove by with a camera and took my picture. I was stunned and wondered wtf they'd do that for but I didn't automatically think it was for some nefarious reason. It's one picture, what's the worse they could do?

People have said all kinds of things when drunk. They even sleep with people while drunk they wouldn't consider touching while sober. You can't take drunken behavior seriously. If you were complaining about what sober people said I would tell you "yeah, that's rude" but these were drunk and I never seen well behaved drunks.
Torq  
29 May 2009 /  #68
I'm not complaining about youths yelling because they were drunk, I was complaining about what they said. Drunk or not, it's just something I've never heard anywhere else. In UK or in US where guys get pissed quite often :) I've never heard such cr*p.

You're right. They shouldn't have said anything like that and it's not right what they did.
However, I don't agree that it wouldn't happen in a different European country.
In Dublin, I saw two young Irish (probably, they were speaking English) guys and
one of them spat in a black woman's face when passing her (just like that).
One American black actress, I forgot the name but it was a headline story in
Irleand about 1-1,5 year ago got so much abuse that she swore never to come
back to Ireland again, every second taxi driver that I talked to was bit*ching and
moaning about "the blacks". Polish workers living in the Crumlin area found piles
of garbage dumped under their front door every morning etc. etc.
So, I'm afraid it's not only Poland where such shite is possible.

But the reasons why you click pick of a handsome guy and picks of a black girl are definitely not the same (don't tell me they are).

First of all, it sounds quite odd to take anybody's picture without his/her permission.
However, if I saw an extremely attractive black woman and had a camera ready to
use with me... ;)
new-expat  
29 May 2009 /  #69
Gosh, I'm going to call you 'miss-bad-faith' :)

I never seen well behaved drunks.

That's 'cause you've never been to France. Even when drunk we behave like gentlemen ;)
Victoria-Guest  
29 May 2009 /  #70
To new-expat [Guest]

Oh, I am wondering if Polish women are so drunk and how did they managed to have sex with Polish Men who are drunk????? What did they do? I see, they must took their clothes off and make sure they know what being naked is for. Good Sex. And Blow Your Mind!
new-expat  
29 May 2009 /  #71
I'm afraid it's not only Poland where such shite is possible

I totally agree. I don't pretend this situation only happens in Poland. I just say that I've never seen it so far in other countries, maybe it's because it tends to happen more often over here.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650  
29 May 2009 /  #72
That's 'cause you've never been to France. Even when drunk we behave like gentlemen ;)

Well that explains this. You're probably french and think you are better because of that.
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
29 May 2009 /  #73
and I never seen well behaved drunks

As a lifelong 'happy drunk' (as in on the rare occasions in my life that I get drunk I am very happy and friendly as opposed to permanently drunk sense) I like to think I am reasonably well behaved. A little loud sometimes but always happy. Which is strange as alcolhol is supposed to be a depressant. The booze affects different people different ways I guess.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650  
29 May 2009 /  #74
The booze affects different people different ways I guess.

good point :)
Torq  
29 May 2009 /  #75
maybe it's because it tends to happen more often over here

Statistics tell us something different. There's much more racially
motivated crime in Germany, Great Britain or France for example.

"In France (...) anti-Jewish violence, property destruction, and racist language has been wildly increasing over the last several years and French-Jews are worried more every month that it will spiral even higher."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Siegfried 1 | 100  
30 May 2009 /  #76
polish ppl are very straightforward, you have to get used to it. so when we are drunk, you are likely to hear what we think about you ;)

and what can you hear if the drunk person is bum from deep countryside?
Rafal_1981  
30 May 2009 /  #77
Please read the whole sentence : "some polish friends themselves also tell me that Polish are a bit racist"

The reason is that some polish people are self-critical even if there is not a real problem.

We are very self-demanding you see.
foxtrot1213 2 | 43  
30 May 2009 /  #78
I am sorry to kow about it. We got our own share of domestic ijdits in Finland. Despite school shootings, 15,000 threats of school shootings, men/women murding their families, being top class in work place bullying in EU...we still believe that 80% of crimes are committed by 20% of foreigners.

Don't worry about these clowns.
theblueenigma 3 | 188  
30 May 2009 /  #79
In the countryside, some even clicked pics of her

Not only do I find that hillarious, but I have to agree with Rafal . . . you are telling lies :) If by some small chance you are telling the truth, and if by some amazing coincidence these simple country folk happened to have a camera when your black friend was walking through the fields (pleaseeeee) Im sure they werent being rude, or racist. You really think Polish country folk have never seen a black person before ? lol Perhaps they still have b&w tvs and think the earth is flat also eh ?
new-expat  
31 May 2009 /  #80
I have to agree with Rafal . . . you are telling lies :)

Gosh... what is it but bad faith...
NO I'M NOT.

The whole story is that we were 5 ppl (2 polish ppl, 2 french ppl and one dutch guy) on a trip in the North of Poland, near Mazuria Lakes. We ate in a very small restaurant in the night. The restaurant' owner and his teenage son looked at us in a really weird way. Especially our black friend. We had dinner and the teenage guy went somewhere and came back with his old camera. He asked to our polish friends to click a pic with us guy. We were a bit surprised but well, we accepted. So one of the polish guys took the pic, the son thanked him and told him it was te 1st time he saw black ppl and he thought these kind of ppl didn't exist in Poland.
southern 75 | 7,096  
31 May 2009 /  #81
I found polish people very nice.Yes,they may speak their minds aloud talking about blacks etc but they point out the obvious.
niejestemcapita 2 | 561  
31 May 2009 /  #82
they point out the obvious.

Does the obvious really need pointing out?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650  
31 May 2009 /  #83
Yes,they may speak their minds aloud talking about blacks etc but they point out the obvious.

Do you think all the blacks would move to Poland unless they spoke their minds? I don't get all this jive about blacks. There's not that many there anyway. Do they all wanna move there or something?
BevK 11 | 248  
31 May 2009 /  #84
Perhaps they still have b&w tvs and think the earth is flat also eh ?

Copernicus :)

(Yeah I know he knows this, before anyone else states the obvious!)
McCoy 27 | 1,269  
31 May 2009 /  #85
Does the obvious really need pointing out?

all the time, unfortunately. 'obvious' seems to be very individual thing.
paleniezabija - | 4  
25 Jun 2009 /  #86
If I stab a polish guy, he gonna bleed, right? What color will its blood be? Red, that's right. WE ALL BLEED RED, white, black, chinese or lebanese.

**** racism!
Piorun - | 658  
25 Jun 2009 /  #87
**** racism!

I'll say.

What color will its blood be?

It's? It's? It should be “his” you're talking about a human being not some sort of animal, **** racist.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Jul 2009 /  #88
I was in with some really nice people today. Please look for some positive people here as they are definitely around.
Myszolow 3 | 157  
28 Jul 2009 /  #89
I think a lot of Poles are racist. I also think I know why. There are not that many foreigners here, so they are a couple of generations behind (as compared to UK) in gaining experience of living with foreigners.

Previous experience of living with foreigners in Poland involved Germans and Russians and damaged those generations beyond repair. They won't "get over it". It will disappear to a large extent when that generation dies off, but the wound will take a couple more generations to disappear from sight. My wife's grandparents all hated the Germans.

Here in the Zgierz/Lodz area there simply aren't many blacks (they're all in UK). Even the gypsies round here all have British registered cars.

The thing is though. A lot of people in all countries are racist. At least the Poles (the buraki at least) are straightforward about it and it is simply because they haven't met foreigners. My wife never got job interviews in the UK until we anglicised her name. Overnight, the interviews started coming in. (Hidden racism)

I'm a Brit, but when my grandma heard I got engaged to a Pole, her response was "she is white isn't she?" Ignorance - pure and simple. A friend of mine once dated an Indian girl. I was going to "borrow" her to take and show my gran to pretend she was my GF. Never got round to it though. :)

I do find the people in the area we have our Zgierz house to be pretty narrow-minded though. They all seem to think that we should sell our English house and move to Zgierz permanently. Yeah - right. A neighbour was telling me yesterday Angli jest za ciasno. I replied. Tak, bo za dużo Polaków. ;)

Another little anecdote to finish with. We made a new friend in the UK. She's a Pole and had recently moved from Leicester to near where we live in UK (we divide our time between Poland and UK). She said to my wife...

"It's great here. Mało murzynów" There are a lot in the Leicester area and she'd moved South.

A British person would never say something like that to a stranger on first acquaintance. There is a difference in racial attitudes. But give it a couple of generations and those who have travelled outside their own home town and village - even as far as za granice - and the attitudes will change.

Some Poles are great. Some are complete gits. But it's the same with any nation.

Now could someone please teach Poles how to hold doors open and drive considerately? :)
Tun Phat  
28 Jul 2009 /  #90
"It will disappear to a large extent when that generation dies off"

Debateable.

The Poles tend to harbour grudges and ill-will longer than other nations. There is still resentment, according to posts on this forum, of the English because of their apparent betrayal at the end of WWII.

How many years ago was that now?

Get over it already.

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