What should Poland and Poles do, after first day of nuclear war?

HB, make Google your lasting friend, it has served you well so far ;) ;)

Nathan, that sounds like a plan. Let's keep it in standby :)

Harry you're a ***** you'd sue my ass off after one sucker punch, now random bald guys kicking your teeth into your skull in a dark alley would be different:)


We do? You're still well in the 80s boy, today no one has any illusions about how much fun US is.

As brave as always aren't you? Quite happy to call for Jewish babies to be murdered but not willing to throw even one punch yourself.

There's a lovely dark alley on the way from my local to the nearest tram stop. Do pass on that news to the random bald guys. Will they be visiting me before or after the police come to arrest me? You did remember to ring the police again to report me for the crime of talking about Poland running concentration camps, didn't you?

The US government disagree with you. Have a look at the US embassy's website "Due to the large numbers of Poles immigrating to the United States, as in previous years Poland has been excluded by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) from the 2010 Diversity Visa (DV) Lottery." This is now the third time that Poland has been declared ineligible. But why let facts get in the way of your bullsh*t? You never normally do.

Translate that to a large number of denied visas as percentage rather than a large number of people going for it.


Dude i'm 26 it'd take a LOT more for me to consider searching you out and kicking your ass than you simply trying to take **** out of Poland on an internet forum, you're apparently mentally stuck in high school where they wedgied the heck out of you, in the world of adults it takes a lot more for you to get spanked you know:)

Do try reading things before attempting to comment on them: Poland is ineligible for the DV lottery because of the large number of Poles who emigrate to the USA. The number of denied visas has nothing to do with it.

You are confusing the DV lottery with the visa-waiver program, a program which Poland is not allowed to join because of the high percentage of rejected visa applications.


Somehow it doesn't come as much of a surprise to hear that you know exactly what it takes to get a good kicking. With such a winning personality as your own, one would have to conclude that you're regularly on the wrong of a kicking. Or at least you would be if you ever tried your internet hardman routine out in the real world.

Imagine...all blue eyed people have the same ancestor...FAMILY!!!! *group hug*

I like Russia ;0)

Crow, you should know by now that most Poles will side with America to snub Russia. This is the reality of it. The Serbians may have had the ability had Milosevic been allowed to steer his grandiose visions through to fruition. NATO was never gonna allow that and Poland joined at about the time Belgrade was bombed. A mere coincidence?

it wasn`t rule even for the past. On Balkan, Poland and Russia had similar and sometimes even well balanced interests. In other regions, Polish-Russian interests clashed, unfortunately its truth. But, i sow winds of changes on horizon... today`s USA isn`t USA from yesterday. Russia also evolve


there are different oppinions in Poland in case with ``Polish decision`` to take part in destruction of Yugoslavia what can be comparable only to Polish involvement during occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1968.

We can even ask- why Poland constantly choosing wrong side and negative choices? What happened with dignity of Sarmatia?

Marek Glogoczowski on the destruction of Yugoslavia and NATO bombing as the globalist Mafia vengeance
arhiva.serbia.sr.gov.yu/news/1999-11/25/15805.html

The "Stoning of Europe" in Serbia
Polish professor - Marek Glogoczowski

Which past? when we installed Tzars in Russia or when Russia partitioned us?


The only similar interests we had was Ukraine, we both wanted it (well Ukrainians wanted it too but they never were a factor that much).


In every region Polish-Russian interests clashed, we were either two powers at it over Ukraine or Russia/Poland was a power booting the other one for the sake of it, who booted who depends on the period.


Ok Crow, what did Poland, in any point of its history had to gain from siding with Russia? When we were powerfull Russia had nothing to offer us because well... we were IT, when we were weak Russia could offer us nothing because it wanted us as a satelite, we have no common long term interests.

Also when we were a power we couldnt offer anything because Russia was our Wild West, we were expanding there and now when we're small and weak we cant offer anything because we're small and weak, case closed.

Prima facie, yes Crow. However, politics makes for some strange bedfellows and it was more of a feeling of Slavic brotherhood rather than political expediency to intervene. Please tell me Crow, what was the justification given for this theft of Kosovo? Most people agree that 'Kosovo je Srbija'. Why has the Serbian reaction been so muted and low-key? The Scots would be up in arms and fighting to the last.

Allying ourselves with the Soviets in the immediate pre-World War 2 environment would have been most favourable for Poles in the long run. It is positive that Poland would have suffered less, even if the Soviets decided to invade us anyway, to meet Nazi expansion (if it even came to that) Less deaths, and less destruction overall. Polish population would probably be 45+ million right now.

Rubbish, Stalin would have our Home Army shot and murdered anyway since he wanted the national elite silenced for good to thwart any resistance to the new regime, our economy would stil be drained since Russia was broken with collectivisation and central planning and needed to rob its satelites blind and naked to operate its own economy.


The important people would still die, Stalin had very specific views on Inteligentsia, the economy would still get broken, the country would still lose its sovereignty and we would still not be able to partake in Marshalls plan and have to build huge heavy industry which was expensive and pointless.

Whether we fought or not everything would be the same, there was no mild treatment for Poland.


Soviets are responsible for approximately 1.5 milion dead Poles, more than a half dead via resettlement, we've lost about 2 milion people to Russians, Germany cost us 3.5 milion.

These people would still be resettled as part of Stalins policy, they werent resettled because we resisted but because Stalin was the man with a plan and it required Poles not to be there, we would not avoid massacres of our officers too, Stalin had no qualms about snuffing his own, what makes you think bending over would make him suddenly show mercy?

I don't believe this would have been possible for Stalin, if indeed the Polish army stayed in tact. Furthermore, if Poland was actually a reliable and useful ally, I don't think Stalin would want to trivialize this enitirely by wiping out the entire intelligentsia of the country, right away. Such a large purge... I see it highly unlikely that it would happen so efficiently in non-chaotic/war environment. It would be the blood of many Red Army soldiers.

Who knows if it would even come to blows with Germany? Such an alliance would have at least made Germany think twice, especially if France and England still held on their guarantees to Poland (however fruitless they were), that was unknown to Hitler.

Stalin was more interested in Ukraine and some portions of Eastern Poland, as well as a bulwark against the Nazi's. If Poland would given into such demands, but in turn, asked for support against Nazi Expansion... it's not out of this world..

We see that Stalin allied himself with fascists, liberal democracies, even republican govermnent in Spain was aided by Soviets because it was preferred to the communists over fascism. He was not nearly as concerned with whom he allied himself with, as long as it met some goal.


Like I said, there would have been less destruction overall. I am looking at this in pure practical sense. Numbers wouldn't even be close.

Re-settlement? Any links for those numbers? I don't think he would show any more mercy, but he surely was not a moron.

He could have shot every man, woman and child while dancing Polka on the skulls of newborns and the West would not do anything, in practical means the Red Army was the single most powerfull military on the planet at the time, obedient to a point that would make Prussian kings get a boner, yeah it was possible.


He did not need Poland for anything other than a buffer zone, while our military was formidable in 1939 it was also a threat, he saw it as a threat thats why Katyń and similar executions happened, he did not want us to be his ally, he'd accept our support of course but then it would still go the same way.


Just enough to make a point, he did it too, he'd do it anyway.

As for the rest of your post, Stalin wanted to take things from Poland and do things to Poland, he would do it whether we fought him or gave in, an alliance could buy us preferential treatment for as long as Germany stayed a fighting power, then we'd go the same way as we originally did except we'd lose our dignity on top of everything else.

I thought that during your discussion with BB you said sth about Poland as emerging power in Europe. :):):)

In the future Pawianstein, we're living in the present now.

An emerging power, LOL. Tusk doesn't even have the power to block puny vetoes, hehehe. Tweedledum and Tweedledee would be better off in the circus. I could just imagine the musing over how to fire a nuke. 'You do it', 'no, you do it', 'come on, give it a try', 'what does it do again?' ;)

Off to my discussions with BB Sean, Polands nowhere near being a power for the next few decades but you will see interesting internal changes in the next 5 years :)

On a more serious note, Poland has the potential to build up its power bases but does it have the will?

saying `Slavic brotherhood` is vulgarization. Yes, Slavs share same genetic ancestry but they also share their mutual cultural and linguistc heritage, etc. Its entire unique Slavic civilization

hahaha... at least he doesn't hide it, eh boys? ;)

You`d better go back to reading historical publications because your knowledge is based on old data. E.g., the most recent research on deportations of Poles say there were about 300.000 of them in 4 waves. We are talking about ethnic Poles because I suppose you prefer to ignore 80.000 Polish Jews deported in the second wave, don`t you?

In result, 2 million losses by Soviets is really amazing.

Here is sth to enrich your knowledge.
sciesielski.republika.pl/sov-dep/polacy/polacy1.html#2

Brotherhood is the way that a Scot would look at it so please forgive me. Unique as it may be, it isn't afforded that status by many. Maybe you are thinking too much about bruderschaft in the German interpretation.

Crow, the Slavic community has had chances at solidarity and have blown them. Letting NATO bomb Serbia was one thing but letting Kosovo go???? Only cowards wouldn't have contested that more vigorously!!

Jews were Polish citizens, i prefer to treat them as Poles in this particular discussion since it fuels my martyrologic argument better :):):)


Then its old data, the point is they'd go visit Kazachstan anyway since Stalin would not suffer them stay there and hamper his geopolitical plans.

The guy starved his own citizens, shot his own officers and they were often loyal, why do people believe that Poland would win any preferential treatment by laying down without a fight is beyond me.

Warsaw Pact troops on attack

But it spoils your nationalistic arguments in other threads, especially the ones where you argued that Jews were infected with communism and helped Stalin conquer Poland.

Not at all, if you're cynical enough you become incredibly flexible.


They helped Stalin kill Poles but thats mainly due to their lack of foresight, Stalin treated people like tools so once the Jews served their purpose they boarded the same merry Syberia Express as everyone else.

In some way Crow is right.

Poland isn't considered part of the west. Missle shiled negotiations prove it. Nord Stream project proves it.

An incredibly flexible cynic from Poland, you are. :):):)


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