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Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland


jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #91
Not angry at all...but that would be good for you because you could point to that as me being a hypocrite...and it is clear that was you intention with the above comment.

You are judging by saying I am simply generalizing rather than reporting reality as seen by nearly everyone I have spoken to living in these places. If I say the Earth is round is that simply my opinion?

Regarding your talking about Poland I meant in the sense that you say my assessment of people here is wrong simply because you think it to be a generalization..yet you have

never lived here. I am saying every single expat I know here and a good percent of the Poles will tell you the same. That is not my opinion that is a reality.

Edited to answer you...I was referring to your smarmy "getting angry now dear?" comment when I said you wanted me to be a hypocrite.
Patrycja19 62 | 2,688  
14 Jan 2008 /  #92
Not angry at all...but that would be good for you because you could point to that as me being a hypocrite...and it is clear that was you intention with the above comment.

which one, I commented alot in the above post.. sorry, I dont read minds only
posts and quotes.. lol

if your talking about the post to bubba, it was a joke , a long time ago joke
and a recent joke about burritos.. no harm intended and he knows it just the same

I was kinda crackin up.. I thought it was funny , you have to be able to laugh some
in order to get by in this world.. dont you agree?
Baska - | 10  
14 Jan 2008 /  #93
Oh, boy!
I am reading and wondering, where the heck all of you came from?! I have spent 33 years in Poland, 17 in Austria plus travelled a bit. I did not see one country, where people are not rude, pushy, incompetent and disliking strangers. You can find it everywhere - why is it a surprise to find it in Poland? Frankly, I miss Poland a lot, with all the troubles in every day life it is still my country with the most friendly people!

Yeah, we Poles quarrel, drive like idiots and simply LOVE to complain. We also like to drink and to chat, and to gossip, just like normal people do. It does not make us any different than other nationalities, what differs is that we have a lot of complexes and we are more open than most.

Baska
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #94
Hmmm...I was never pushed and treated rudely by Spanish, Norwiegans, Finns, Venezuelans, Icelanders, Canadians, Kenyans...and many more. Yet I have been in Poland, China, Morocco, Russia...and a few more.

Yes you can find bad behavior anywhere but I am saying in some places it is more common and worse than others.

And the people I know and travel with have the same assessments.

Baska you have admitted to many of the things I am talking about...and you naturally have an affinity for your home...most people do. AS many things that are wrong with the USA it is still the most natural place for me.

I am simply saying what exists in a calm and rational manner yet some people don't want to believe it so they marginalize me as a basher or racist.
scarbyirp  
14 Jan 2008 /  #95
I am sure no one in the whole wide world would want to
visit CHINA>>>

Not the point, go live and work there for a couple of years and then let me know
Patrycja19 62 | 2,688  
14 Jan 2008 /  #96
are we talking about living there?? or rude people?? thats what the point was in my
discussion..

as for work,, thats different, I live in America and experience rude people on a daily
basis.. is that your point? work? cause every work place has rude workers and or
rude public to deal with .. am my wrong?

I am sure the conditions in China are pretty bad.. but thats not the discussion I was
having or the point..
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #97
And I will say after living in the main places discussed here that China is more rude than Poland and Poland is more rude than the USA. On the basis of numbers of rude behaviors and people encountered as a percentage of your daily exposure.

Yeah there are rude people all over but some places have MORE than others and people are offended by that fact and make excuses.
Patrycja19 62 | 2,688  
14 Jan 2008 /  #98
Yeah there are rude people all over but some places have MORE than others and people are offended by that fact and make excuses.

lol having the last word ehh?? no excuses,, just pointing out that you generalized
and you finally came around..

I never said either country doesnt have rude people. I said it exists all over and
you finally said it too.. so in conclusion to this madness.. I will then agree with
greg.. because his point ( my interpretation of it) was that he is only saying to
not be so un- wise when visiting.. and the truth is, he is right, because people
take advantage.. if you act helpless someone is going notice.. havent you learned
this living abroad? I would think the answer is yes..

I think you just got offended by gregs presentation of it.. and of course I agree
with you if thats true on that perspective.. but he tells it like it is.. and maybe
in opinions we think this is wrong, and sometimes we just dont realized how strong
others views are and what they hold..

so anyway..with that..I go to work now.
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #99
How is it having th last word? It is an ongoing conversation...

Greg was a rude idiot in his post calling foreigners pussies...that is not "telling it like it is" that is being a pig.

I have a hard time understanding how you could have any idea what it is like going into another culture or how one should view it since you have never been anywhere?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,506  
14 Jan 2008 /  #100
a nationality's rudeness in comparison to another's is a matter of perception

as an english man i am extremely polite and find most other nationalities wanting in both common courtesy and basic manners
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #101
But I say it is not perspective but measurable quantity...I agree the English are more polite as a whole than most countries....chavs excluded of course.(and Warsaw has a rash of Chavs for lately...don't know what that is about)
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,506  
14 Jan 2008 /  #102
But I say it is not perspective but measurable quantity

it quite possibly is, but what are you basing measurements on if not your own perceptions?

don't know what that is about

if youre talking about english chavs in wawa then id put it down to a realisation that poland has cheap beer and nice women, which are the main reasons for chavs travelling
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
14 Jan 2008 /  #103
He tells it like it is to him only. He was suggesting that we wallop those that push us, how cultured!! Doesn't he understand that, in most countries, the police tend(s) to favour the national as opposed to the foreigner? Great fun fighting a losing battle. Doesn't Greg realise that we don't bring about this situation? We are not about creating hatred.
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #104
The perceptions of every single expat I have known or talked with and many of the locals (the ones I know well) in the areas in question.

One or two people can be a viewpoint...when it is most or all it is a prevailing trend.

And Bubba I didn't mean English chavs...I meant their Polish knockoffs...it is popular here now.
Patrycja19 62 | 2,688  
14 Jan 2008 /  #105
I have a hard time understanding how you could have any idea what it is like going into another culture or how one should view it since you have never been anywhere?

again,, slower this time.. I pointed out the generalization. thats all.. oh, did I tell
you that I know rudeness exists all over??

as an english man i am extremely polite and find most other nationalities wanting in both common courtesy and basic manners

well that will all change when you move to America.. cause your going to be part
of the rude arse super-power who runs the world.... get your keys out
start your engines.. ranj and bubba have entered the room!!!!

varoooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm.... lol
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #106
You know that is funny because with the exception of the odd clerk or crap driver I find people in the states generally more polite than many places....especially in regard to queuing and being in groups...in fact my Polish gf got sick of people asking her how she is and smiling and saying hello...hehe.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,506  
14 Jan 2008 /  #107
cause your going to be part
of the rude arse super-power who runs the world

yes, but i will be an english man abroad and bring culture, sophistication and refinement to all i meet :-)

I find people in the states generally more polite than many places

joking aside, i found this to be the case as well
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #108
Say pip pip and cheerio a lot...they love that kind of thing in the states.

And wear a bow tie for sure.
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
14 Jan 2008 /  #109
this whole pushing discussion reminds me of a scene from Bareja's TV series, Alternatywy 4, when the "queue robot" is sent for the final test in a Polish shop to buy some meat. She almost makes it to the cashier and then gets gradually pushed by the other clients to the end of the line :)
Patrycja19 62 | 2,688  
14 Jan 2008 /  #110
Say pip pip and cheerio a lot...they love that kind of thing in the states.

And wear a bow tie for sure.

yeah, we like all cultures.. thats why I am like I am .. so fault me.. no dont fault me
I have to get going to work, carry on gentlemen.
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #111
HAHAHAHA....sorry that laugh was to Krzystofs TV show....I can just see it!

I like to tell the story of when I went into a stationary shop with pens and paper and such. An entire rack of Watermann ink behind the Kasa. I asked for the blue/black which I can see over her shoulder. She looks back..."Nie ma" and goes back to her crossword puzzle. I think you could go into a light bulb shop that is fully stocked and say "one light bulb please" and they would say they don't have any if they weren't in the mood to move.

Have you ever seen Blood Diamond? You know how they always say "TIA-This Is Africa"?

I say TIP.
OP Wroclaw Boy  
14 Jan 2008 /  #112
Lady in red wrote:
I've been driving in the UK for a long time and I reckon the UK drivers, on the whole, are pretty good

- But there's also lots of bad driving here.

Mainly by the foreigners. The first thousand miles in Poland is pretty hair rasing another couple of thousand and you get used to it, by the time you clock up 5,000 or more and your just another savage on the road driving just as crazy as they do to get where you want to go.

When they come at me head on through dangerous over taking maouveres i dont swerve till the last minute, its the only language they understand. Oh and I never flash anyone to warn them about Police i hope they loose a months wages on mandate.
Patrycja19 62 | 2,688  
14 Jan 2008 /  #113
yes, but i will be an english man abroad

omg!!! ranj,, bubba!! omg.. ha ha,, I just realized what you said.. so he will
come here.. I knew it I knew it. I knew it..

Go Ranj!!!!! go girl!!!!
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #114
And yet another observation that will be labeled as generalization (and I cannot figure out why generalizations are bad if they are true)...but the Germans are very good drivers...they go at insanely fast speeds on the autobahn and have very few accidents and while they go fast they are safe.

They also have good roads so I am sure that helps.
Patrycja19 62 | 2,688  
14 Jan 2008 /  #115
and I cannot figure out why generalizations are bad if they are true

because in your quote you are saying that the whole population of drivers that are
german are very safe drivers and good /fast drivers,, while this can be true for a good
majority there is still that small percentage that you pointed out yourself that has
accidents.. so your generalization was not true to extent, because it left an opening
for discussion on that small percentage.. thats all...
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #116
Wow you ARE Polish....being so literal and twisting the littlest detail to argue about. My gf does it all the time and she knows and admits she does it...a genetic thing :)

I clearly meant "in large they are good drivers" not "every single person in Germany is a good driver".....geez
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,506  
14 Jan 2008 /  #117
I just realized what you said

dont jump to conclusions - i have much too much going on in europe to pack bags yet :-)

but the Germans are very good drivers...they go at insanely fast speeds on the autobahn and have very few accidents and while they go fast they are safe.

a true generalisation, really brought home when driving through germany and on into poland - the difference is marked
jones101 1 | 349  
14 Jan 2008 /  #118
And I have not been able to sort why there is such a disparity in driving skills...the Poles have a pretty involved driver education process and hard testing much like the Germans. Hell getting a driver's license in the USA is simple and cheap compared to both and as many crap drivers as there are in the States it is much worse here.

Not sure why...
Baska - | 10  
14 Jan 2008 /  #119
@jones101
This is exactly why I wrote - I do agree that your postings are very much OK. I agree with you, but not with my country people. Didn't I mention we like to quarrel?...

Jokes aside, I am sorry that you have collected some really nasty experience. I don't remember Poland so bad, but then I visited lately just for a short time and I am a native. Nobody would dare to push me around.

One advice: whatever happens, stay polite and distant, most of worst "elements" give up. And some others give in, I shocked my family making a taxi driver to carry my suitacases upstrairs - the trick was that I simply EXPECTED it. I was actually surprised that it is not normal in Warsaw...

Better luck for the future
Baska
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
14 Jan 2008 /  #120
Polish drivers drive very good managing to go fast through very bad,narrow roads

Thats not good driving,thats called having a small manhood and risking other peoples lives.....someone else said they see a recent improvemeent on Polands roads...no wonder,have you seen how many PL plate loonies are tearing round the UK these days,.Ive personnaly had 3 near misses in the last week from ,A, a kr reg car pulling out into trafic without indecating, B a ZB reg car that just drive straight accross a round abouts 3 lanes and C, some nutter trying to overtake me as I pulled up at a red light!!.

See how it tastes when your own country is being harshly criticised? And you, bastards in this board, have been doing it to my country all the time. Never saying anything positive about my country and people. Coming to my country with a horrible arrogant attitude, expecting that we will kiss your unwashed feet. You're destroying your own national image with us, you know? If I were you I'd care about it.

seriously mate,you need help.I suggest going home though because mental health provision in the UK is a bit ropey at the minute. Paranoia is a nasty thing,I know,a good mate went through it,mind you,he had fought in a grotty little war,whats your excuse?

Have you ever seen Blood Diamond? You know how they always say "TIA-This Is Africa"?

I say TIP.

what a cracking comparison,yep,b itch n moan but never expect it to change,just enjoy the ride :)

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