Lebanese willing to Move to Poland.

Hey everybody, let me introduce myself first, my name's Rafic, im Lebanese and Polish as well, and I'm on my last year of High-school in Lebanon(it's located above Israel), and i'm planning to Study in University for 4Years in Poland. i usually visit Poland every year where i live in a small apartment in krakow since i was a kid and i loved it. so i wanna ask some questions(and they might sound kinda stupid, but simple):

1- i heard that if you study in Europe, it would be better than studying in a "3rd-world country", meaning that you'd get a wayy better salary in general if you have a European University degree, is this True? because i have a Brother who Studied University in Lebanon and one time he told me he regret the decision to study here and not in Poland.

2- this is even a more dumb question but what the hell :P

which career, in the same degree respect, would provide a higher salary in Poland and in the gulf(if by anychance you guys know), a Mechanical Engineer or a Architecture Design Engineer?

3- how is Poland's internet services like?, is it fast or slow?, here in Lebanon i have 256kbps download and 64kbps upload with a 3GB Download limit, which is slow when opening webpages and downloading things, any names of Isps which are faster than this speed, my budget would be max 150ZL/month for internet.

and finally ..

4-Are there Universities in Krakow that i can study in English?

Hope that ain't to Answer ^^

Any help will be Greatly Appreciated :)

degress in english are taught in english in poland.

what makes you think europe wants you ?

dont you think we are fed up of third world immigration, ?

Actually if you read his post...Raficoo is half Polish and spends part of each year in Poland. He's asking some pertinent questions which is better than you ever do noimmigration.

Rafic, there are threads on the forum about the Internet in Poland, have a look around. The other stuff I can't help you with but I am sure someone can. Good luck :)

Misty's right noimmigration, i'm have Lebanese-Half Polish. not really the helpfull type of guy aren't you?... :P

o well as for the internet Misty i found something called UPC Poland, that they offer 20mbps/1mbps for 149ZLN/month, what a coincidence that my budget is sooo close lol.

anyways... thx 4 the replies :) . hope i get more.

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Standard 2 years contract with the main Polish Telecom (Telekomunikacja Polska SA)
1024kbps download and 128kbps upload (maybe 256kbps, but I'm not sure), no Download limit, an e-mail address in the domain @neostrada.pl with 50 MB of space for your mailbox (you may also divide those 50 MB between your mailbox and internet site) = 62 PLN/month (one year contracts are rather expensive, while 3-year only a litte cheaper, about 52 PLN/month instead of 62 PLN). I just mentioned this 1Mbps connection because it's what I'm using right now, I think you can get a 2Mbps for about 80-90 PLN/month, but I'm not sure.

UPC is a cable TV provider, they also offer internet, so if you buy the whole package the price will be more attractive than with TP SA (Telekomunikacja Polska SA).

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Kraków's main university (Uniwersytet Jagielloński) is the oldest (founded in 14th century) and the most prestigious in Poland, of course some people from Warsaw would argue about the prestige :)

I'm sure they have some master degrees in English, but I don't have any exact info, search their site and see.
Generally in Poland an university is for humanist sciences (law, languages, literature, theoretical physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics etc.). When you want to study applied sciences you should rather choose a "politechnika" (engineering, architecture, IT - computer science, biochemistry etc.) or an "akademia medyczna" (medicine doctors) or an "akademia ekonomiczna" (economics, marketing etc.).

As for technical universities in Kraków, there are at least 2 of them: Akademia Górniczo-Hutnicza (AGH) and Politechnika Krakowska, I don't know which one is better, you'd have to make more research (maybe someone on this forum would know too - but you'd probably have to start a new thread with more specific title, about studying engineering in Kraków).

P.S. Don't mind people like noimmigration (I usually ignore him) - he's some crazy kid (from Scotland) who hates Poles and post only negative comments on this forum (he was recently suspended, so he has some accumulated venom to spill).

Dear Raficoo, i am like you half Polish half Lebanese, i was born in Warsaw, and have lived in Lebanon, France and Italy and a couple of years in Warsaw when i was kid, i always return there during the summer to visit.

I think i can give you some tips because i understand your worries and your type of questions.

I cannot help you with your internet questions, although i can tell that in Poland they have many different companies, some of them are all around Europe, like Tele2 and TP which is something like France Telecom.Anyway they surely have better options/packages/prices and quality than in Lebanon, fur sure.

Here are some links that might help you if you understand Polish

* Aster City Cable aster.pl (TV, phone, Internet)
* UPC upc.pl (TV, phone, Internet)
* Margo-Sat margosat.pl (TV, Internet)
Telekomunikacja Polska tp.pl (Polish biggest telecom)
Netia netia.pl (Polish telecom)
Tele2 tele2.pl (telephone operator)

Anyway for your university questions, well i didn't study in Poland and frankly i don't regret it.I have studied in Beirut, then Paris and Italy .Don't forget that Poland is part of Europe just recently in May 2004, and it's still hard for a Polish university graduate to find work in other countries, i am talking about jobs that are related to your diploma and your field of study,and in some European countries a Polish national must still apply for a work permit.

In Poland you will have to study in Polish, so you must be fluent in Polish, you can study French or English literature and then you will have the courses in English and French for example.Some courses in some field are in English but these are more related to Humanities like Political Science, Literature etc...

Anyway you have already a bonus as a Lebanese with a Polish Passport ( No visa) , which are your languages, i presume you must be fluent in Arabic/English and French so adding Polish as a fourth language and studying/living in Europe would be an advantage for you.

Now whether it would be better for you to study in Poland or in Lebanon depends on your financial situation, because if you can afford AUB ( American University of Beirut) then without any hesitation i will advise you to study in Beirut, it's a top notch university well known abroad and has a brilliant reputation all around the world.

If your financial situation wont permit you the fees of AUB which are very high, then yes why don't you consider moving to Poland.If you are a hard worker , willing to get fluent in Polish, then it would be perfect, especially that Polish universities are part of the Erasmus exchange program and you can also go for one year for another university in another European country or even abroad and it's excellent for your academic curricular as for your cv and for contacts later.

I don't know about the Gulf region, i sense they mostly prefer graduates from American universities or English-language universities,as everybody there speak /work in English , try to visit other forums and to gather more information.

Anyway you must know that life in Europe although it's really interesting, and you get to enjoy the European human rights which is the must, it's also very difficult and pretty challenging,especially with this financial crisis, it's hard to land a job even if you have a great CV , lot of people after graduating tend to work in restaurants as bartenders and waitresses or in libraries to meet ends, and wait for the better opportunity, or struggle from one unpaid internship to another one, until fate bring luck and you find a professional contract.Anyway i am aware that the situation in Lebanon is even worse.So ok , still even in the worste case scenario , the situation in Europe is much better than in Lebanon:))

If you can also apply to Canada it would be better, get a scholarship or help for university fees there and your Polish passport can help you out there.As a Polish you have more advantages in Canada than as a Lebanese.

Anyway think seriously about everything,don't hesitate to ask all the people you know and to make long researches through the net, i presume you are in your last year, are you doing a Lebanese Baccalaureat or the French one ? Anyway study well and get yourself some good grades and start browsing the internet for the universities and the majors that interests you whether in Poland, Europe, US or Canada, get yourself a Toeffle exam it always help for later and good luck for everything!

Interesting. Were you one of those evacuated to Poland during kosher air strikes ?


Usually yes but not always, in case of technical studies in Kraków...

agh.edu.pl/en/course-information/studies-in-english.html

The Polish government and the Polish consulate in Beirut handled very badly the evacuation of Polish nationals during the Israel-Hezbollah war in summer 2006.

Why do you refer to it as kosher air strikes???

where do you stand on that?? need i ask?? I had a very interesting conversation with a Lebanese gentlemen in a lundrette, he seemed very pro 'Hezbollah' as he would be i guess. I spoke with him for about half an hour and he told me a few things about the war between the two. As he was speaking i wondered if he was actually 'hezbollah' or had served their cause in some way.

I hate down to the bone every terrorist organisation however i can see why and what hezbollah is fighting for, am i wrong for thinking this? has this man just brain washed me into the 'hezbollah' point of vew or are the Isreali's the animals he proclaims them to be??

It's a complicated question.

Are you asking me where do i stand during that precise conflict or as whole?

During the Israel-Hezbollah war in summer 2006 , major war crimes were committed by Israel .Israel 's attacks and invasion were/are a serious breach of international law .There is no legal justification to whatsoever they did, from any point you would like to stand. It was a tragedy.

But i am not a pro-Hezbollah at all.And i fear the Iranian Islamist government as well .

By the way you don't have to be an ''active'' member or partisan of Hezbollah to be a pro-Hezbollah.They have ''fans'' all around the world, the Arabic countries , The Afro-Arabic countries and even some European with a ''de gauche'' philosophy of life are pro-Hezbollah without knowing what it really stands for.Nowadays people stick to symbols and themes just for the fun of it or for an emotional/intellectual need or fantasy.

i meant as a whole


I'm going to stick my kneck out here and say i stand on the side of the Lebanese, does that mean i'm a Hezbollah sympathyser?? Or just on the side that has suffered the terrible war crimes??


why do you fear them?? is it the potential threat they cause to you directly or is it because of the obvious backing they give to Hezbollah. The Iranians use Hezbollah as a tool to instigate a battle with the Isreali's so they don't seem to be playing an 'actual' roll in it all so the US does not react.


I'm not an Arab, neither do i speak a word of Arabic, well thats a lie i know a few words. I think my problem is i don't know who the hell to support and how, i've seen many articles, documentaries etc etc on the conflict and the only representation the Lebanese people seem to have against the Isreali's is Hezbollah. (well actively anyway)


would you admit it on a public forum even if you were?? my thoughts are probably not, so who are you in support off, the Lebanese people, the Arab people?? or something else??

Rafficoo ,if u have polish passport , is it not easier for you to go to places like UK or Irealand to work and live there - you will have exactly the same rights like British/Irish , and belive me they are much more outgoing ,helpful and tolerant than us Poles .

Also British Universities ,as far as Im aware,are the best in the world .

message to noimmigration : I feel sorry for people like you...

That's really nice of you to say but you have to be careful, there are a lot of bad educational institutes out there (they call themselves universities but they are not), fortunately these are being more strictly regulated now - these places were set up with the sole intent of letting "foreign students" come to the UK on "student" visas. I would suggest he studies in Poland, he has family there and knows the country, England is becoming increasing more dangerous to live, and foreign students are easy targets for muggings and violent assaults :(

As for him working here, of course if he has a Polish passport, but with the looming recession, jobs of any description are in short supply, the part-time jobs students used to take are now being worked by other foreign guests in the UK :(

Hi. I'm israeli. I don't expect you to be pro-Israeli, but at least agree that if not for Hizbollah's attacks on Israel there would have been no war in 2006. I still can't figure out what gripe Hizbollah (now in the lebanese government) has against Israel. There's no border dispute, there's no occupation. What is their problem?

Geez, yehudi. It's very simple. The kind of comment you've just posted ensures that no progress will ever be made, provided folk like you are around.

Hezbollah attack Israel, Israel attack Hezbollah in retaliation. Can I put it any more simply? Stop making out that they keep attacking first. It's a perpetual cycle, they hate you and you hate them.

The job will never be done until they get their land back. Israel recognises the American conferred right to occupy the land. Catch 22, intractable problem.

Just try to imagine how those victims of Israeli attacks feel. Let me guess your response.....

What land back? The point is that we have no land dispute with Lebanon and we aren't occupying it. We withdrew our army from lebanon in 2000 and this was confirmed by the UN. So tell me again why they fired rockets into israel in 2006 and kidnapped and murdered three of our soldiers who were on the Israeli side of the border.

Well, this isn't the topic of the thread. So I'll reserve my opinion for other threads. I just didn't want to leave your comment unchallenged.

I dont get it...but I guess this happens in a mob.

A plain simple boy asked a few plain simple questions. At first the flow was tried to be taken into a racist category, although him being part Polish saved him from that (which I think is not right. I think being part Polish or not, he should have his equal dignity. This is my personal opinion).

Then came people with Political issues. Hezbollah and Israel and all....

Cant we ever be good people in here :) ?

I agree with Lodz_The_Boat , Seanus your comments are out of place !