Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION)

I like ''weekend lesbians''
they are kinda hot.
i don't like public male love though.two guys making out in a park,grabbing each others spears...no.
But if someone likes it in their butt in privacy of their homes.well-freedom of choice.Mine is used for crapping only.I don't think it's a sickness,more girls for straight guys.And less guys for competition equals more sex for me.

Black Ladder understands the correct function of that particular hole.

Sometimes i get the impression that if your a Lesbian it is more accepted.....if so,why?
Its still being Gay - attracted to the same sex or in greek - "Homo" meaning - The same.
hence "Homosexual" - Same sex.
But its a known fact that some guys get very turned on if they see 2 lesbians getting it on.
And also (dare i ask ) why is it Ok for a woman to have it up the "back entrance" ? but if for example,you saw me having it over the bonnet of some BMW - some of you would think not very highly of it....its still the same isnt it ! he puts it in the same hole regardless whether its some lush woman or a bloke.Please excuse me for sounding crude but surely,you can see what im getting at.


Interesting theory....nice one,Bubba.

I'd prepared an answer to these already, but thought I was not going to bring the thread back to the top just because I was back online, but since somebody else has opened it back up anyway...


it is easy to be provoked into replying, as you must know since you have done this also. I can't see why this discussion would be feeding his ego...



I think these are two very different points, the first of which I agree. Can anyone give an honest answer - why does homosexuality really bother you? What difference does it make to your lives? If those on this thread now say it doesn't, it is only an issue with it being 'advertised' or some rubbish I will have o remind them of previous posts i.e


slightly hard to believe considering


and post256 now...



Really I would not say Grzegorz is much more upfront than many others, I think it's a topic which people are always happy to be loud about, but as he is entitled to be strongly against it, I (and any other) am entitled to be strongly opposed to his opinion!


and yours can be smarter than your avatar (and than that picture you have put up...) - which makes it even more bewildering as to how you can express these views


Then so should heterosexuals - why should there be a different rule for all?


I think this very thread proves that is not true. Also, much of your previous replies.


Very true


If it's pointless then why are you also engaging in this thread? And why state your preference only to follow it with such a statement? Slight contradiction...


you get that with straight guys who hit on women who aren't interested in them too - there's no difference, also a point irrelevant to sexual preference!

To Ms.Sofi: You don't seem to understand the original proposition of this thread...there is a difference between a 'lifestyle' & an 'agenda'...no one condemns a person for their

sexual choice, even if it is a minority choice...but when 'quasi-official' organizations such
as the EU try to tell a sovereign nation that they must teach/expose their children to
something that the vast majority of the parents don't practice/believe in, than this is an
'agenda' being pushed by a 'faction'...Rozumiec?

I do, and I happen to have already offered my opinion on it



Whilst I have made my response to the topic of the thread already, I mainly joined in the debate becuase of people expressing other views about homsexuals i.e that it is a choice, that it is an illness etc. Since you adress only me, perhaps you did not see them straying from the initial topic?


Have you actually read some of the things people have said in this thread? If that's not condemnation I don' know what is!


Teach? As in teach to be homosexual? I wasn't aware it could be taught. Exposure - to ? All it is, is teaching people that it is acceptable to be who they are - what is wrong with that, it is not trying to persuade children to be gay, just that if they realise one day that this is what they are, then that is okay - and to those who are heterosexual, that homsexuals are normal people like them! Where can the harm be in that? As I see it the 'agenda' is benign - only better can come from it

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Good espana :):)

"any questions"
yes- why does it matter?

Ms.Sofi: there is an 'agenda' and it is not benign...much of it is driven by money & also
driven by an anti-Christian motivation...now, you may consider yourself 'enlightened'
and find 'religious' values to be 'irrelevant' in the 21st Century...I would urge you to think this through...here is an interesting article related to the topic we are discussing:

balaams-ass.com/journal/housechu/disney.htm

do you expect me to take you seriously once you have given me this link to look at?
"Santa (Satan) Clause " I'm trying to repress my laughter...

I have never said I consider myself enlightened, I only like to think I treat people with the decency they deserve based on their personalities, their treatment of others etc. insetad of basing my opinions unfairly on entire groups of people who cause no harm to others!

I have also not said that I find religious values to be irrelevant. I myself am Catholic and believe in my religion. I must say I disagree with many of the teachings of the bible though, and the entire Sodom & Gomhorra tale angers me, for I do not believe that these are God's teachings at all, in the bible I believe are where I find the agendas of men from the past. I don't believe it is part of my religion at all to be against practicing homosexuals as they attempted to teach me at school (not my teacher's favourtie lesson by the end of the day after our heated discussion I'm sure). But then not all said in the Bible can be believed as a lesson to us, can it? Here I offer my own site reference:

forum.objectivismonline.net/index.php?showtopic=5427

unless killing is meant to be part of my religion, not all in the bible should be followed...and it does play havoc with my commandments...thou shalt not kill...I find it is cowardly to hide behind religion in this argument, for by the same reasoning I could say then it is allright for me to commit murder.


so how can it be anti-christian to love your neighbour? I was always taught this was a quality to be prized in Christians. What if my neighbour is gay?

Then you should love them, but of course, you don't have to endorse/glorify their lifestyle...I don't neccesarily have to agree with everything in an article I post in order to find some truth in it...Dziekuje Sofi.

Fair enough. I'm not saying to 'endorse' or 'glorify' though, just for them to be treated the same i.e if it is being taught about heterosexuality, then why not homosexuality? I only see better understanding of others through this. Here is a thought - perhaps one day it will not be an issue, but if homophobes keep deeming homsexuality a controversial issue instead of a normal occurence, then it will always appear to be rubbed in their faces because it is then an bigger deal and gains more of that exposure they wish they did not see/hear.

Quick test . If we applied this occurence to all humanity how world would look alike? (assuming no test-tubes are invented yet).

Its not about tolerance..if you do the first step , will end up like a Holland its just a 30-40 year process , no endorse or glorify is needed... just telling the people thats normal is enough.

I hope one day medicine will find remedy and problem will disappear itself.

Pozdrawiam

yet they are...
Why would we 'apply to all humanity'? Telling people that it is normal is not going to make more people homosexual than there would be if they were told it is not normal! It can only help lead to those who are being treated fairly as normal human beings!


Whereas I hope one day sense will prevail and people who hold your views will die out with all of our generations. Extreme? So is your idea.

Will there be cures for shoe fetishism, self abuse and a preference for girls with hairy armpits?

So do I ,fantastically well off per head of population and admired around the world.........btw, the people of the Netherlands can be as bigoted as anyone, unlike some though they know that no one else cares what they think so are too polite to bring things up. and also,holland is one of the most "right wing" (in the good sense) calvanist christian countries in the world.

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Osiol you speak often of this!

LOL !

seriously, most of the weird stuff is for tourists and a few drop outs,"normal" everyday Dutch people are pretty straight laced...:) Sort of like the english 40 odd years ago ....

And what if gay people would not want to be "cured", eh??? Tough case, innit?

Personally I don't have anything against homosexuals. But I do fid it awkward when I see them running around with their crown jewels exposed with some penis shaped balloon in their hand screaming that what they do in their bedroom is their private thing. If it's so private than why are they doing it in public place for faks sake???

you sure that wasnt an english stag party you saw? :)

Was this at a Pride march or something? I do find these...well.. but I reckon if it was not for homophobes perhaps they wouldn't feel the need to hold a pride. Homophobes would benefit then from not protesting too much...?

Now that you mention it, they all did seem to have crooked teeth... gwaf gwaf :P

Sorry mate, couldn't resist. :)

I know that average Dutch guy don't use to wave his sausage on the street but If Holland really was "one of the most right wing christian countries" or at least someting close to that then they wouldn't have leagl euthanasia, homo marriages, drugs etc.

Regarding disappearence,continuity, die outs etc..
Can I have a 2 questions?:)

1.There was already a country full of very tolerant (at the end) people in the history :)
No one could defeat it over hundreds of years, every one was happy and they have reached very high level of developement...they made the same mistakes that Europe is doing now. Dissapeared very quickly. Any guess ?

Hint - the same location on the map :)

2.This nation survived 3000 years without their own country, thanks to very strict rules (often called racist, homophobic). Who are they?


Live is generaly extreme idea :) People who belive in some things never die out, dont worry about me:)

Come on... Real "homophobia" haven't really existed in western countries since decades and ironically they scream the laudest for "tolerance" in "progressive" countries like Holland or Sweden.

Yes, that was a pride march.

The words practice what you preach spring to my mind... (it's in reference to homosexuals and not you of course :) )

a guess the nation thread?


perhaps the need for pride has diminished... (or maybe not with the views I'm hearing on here alone...) but why should they not express pride in all the bravery taken to overcome the persecution they have been facing for so long?


why would you actively seek out a picture if it's something you do not wish to see? Anyway what has your quote of me to do with the picture?


okay - you mean the keeping it private thing? Well those who say that maybe should practice what they preach.

Now its changing.Homophobes are people supporting homos...