Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION)

They were born in the wrong body I think thats what it is now.

Please stop lying about me. I am no Bible-thumper and you know it.

Not Bible-thumper.


Means you hate bibles.

I believe he misspoke, HB. I suspect he was lashing out, trying to pin my opposition to the Gay Agenda on me being religious (never mind that he’s agreed with my positions a number of times). Because certainly I have never bashed the Bible or religion here in any way, even though I am not religious myself. So I'm not a thumper nor a basher.

That was actually a repost on my part. The mods here seem to be playing some favoritism games, permitting shots at me to remain in threads while censoring my retorts, which leaves a skewed picture. This is going to stop.

What do you consider the "Gay Agenda"?

Things like the topic of this thread; indoctrinating school children that gay is normal and great and something to celebrate. While enforcing it all with threats and PC bullsh!t. Things like that.

I think people should feel comfortable with themselves but not indoctrinated. Indoctrination is where I draw the line.

I'm not sure they indoctrinate past "gay is normal". They have been the target of violent attacks and social-outcasts. They are equals so love between a man and a man is as special and warranting of celebration as a man and a woman in my opinion. Children's perceptions are easily swayed by public opinion so it would be best to develop understanding at an early age (perhaps the reason why they "indoctrinate"?).

This is the key right here. A number of decent people don't share this opinion and don't want their kids indoctrinated with this stuff in schools where it clearly doesn't belong. And it doesn't make someone a "homophobe" (-silly word) to feel this way.

I think that I'm capable to explain your socialist/communist/fascist (Please underline correct answer) agenda better. I will just post two quotes of famous "Animal Farm" by George Orwell.

Napoleon took no interest in Snowball's committees. He said that the
education of the young was more important than anything that could be done
for those who were already grown up. It happened that Jessie and Bluebell
had both whelped soon after the hay harvest, giving birth between them to
nine sturdy puppies. As soon as they were weaned, Napoleon took them away
from their mothers, saying that he would make himself responsible for
their education. He took them up into a loft which could only be reached
by a ladder from the harness-room, and there kept them in such seclusion
that the rest of the farm soon forgot their existence.

(...)

Silent and terrified, the animals crept back into the barn. In a moment
the dogs came bounding back. At first no one had been able to imagine
where these creatures came from, but the problem was soon solved: they
were the puppies whom Napoleon had taken away from their mothers and
reared privately. Though not yet full-grown, they were huge dogs, and as
fierce-looking as wolves. They kept close to Napoleon. It was noticed that
they wagged their tails to him in the same way as the other dogs had been
used to do to Mr. Jones.

Thank you for your attention, I have nothing to add.

Good stuff, Lesser. Indeed Animal Farm was a warning about the rise of unchecked Leftist (Modern Liberal) Fascism of the sort we are seeing more and more today.

Well I'm not saying it should be something that is indoctrinated in school. I'm saying we have far more important things to deal with and both gay rights and abortion should be a non-issue like it is in Europe (for the most part...or at least more than America).

If you are religious and don't want to have an abortion, fine, if not whatever. What kind of indoctrination are you talking about specifically Randal? Anything you've seen in particular?

I disagree with violent attacks against any one based on sexual orientation gay/straight/bi. In the US, the gay agenda is associated with HIV. Gays are still stigmatized as the main carriers since the epidemic started in the gay community. That might be partly why there's homophobia. I have nothing against gay men per se, just the ones who think every man is a closeted homosexual who needs an experience to "come out" and some really do think this. The ones who think this way are the ones who cause the most harm to the gay agenda.

I would tend to agree. There are fanatics in every movement in the history of the world.

Do fanatics help? Better to perserverate in the right direction.

Yeah. They have “Celebrate Gays Week!” in my friend’s kid’s elementary school. The children are forced to learn about gays and read some books like “Tommy has two dads” or some such. All kinds of crap.

It is indoctrination with propaganda. Period. It’s just wrong, school isn’t the place for this Lib crap.

They don't have celebrate straights week. Why do we need this?

I agree that seems to be a bit too far. Unfortunately when parents don't accept such things and create bad conceptions for impressionable kids, we have a problem as well. I think that's why they mention such things (though I still think it's a bit over the top). I don't know if such strong wording like "propaganda" "Lib crap" etc. is warranted, but I can see your frustration.

If someone "knows" they are gay they should be able to talk about it with others who feel the same. People who go on and on about being gay are going to create more homophobes. Some people really don't want to hear it. Should they have to deal with it?

Yeah, HB, we don’t see much sensitivity form the sensitivity crowd. How come no one is constantly lecturing them too?

They should be lectured on celebrations of heterosexuality and how every gay man is a closeted straight?

LMAO! No! Well, maybe. But I meant they too should get lectured about being sensitive to others as the rest of us are all the time. Since clearly they have not gotten that message.

TRUE!!! OMFG I just realized that. EVERYONE is sensitive but them!!! LMFAO!!!

Come on, now, HB. This histerical sarcasm was not necessary.

You know, and I know the gay community is very sensitive about their issue - yet, they are not too sensitive about the rest of (gross) population's feelings, are they?

"You're not with us, then you're against us"

Do I have to bow down to every minority and lick their feet?

Do I really have to change my way of living and my beliefs in order to accomodate those (countless) minorities, gays included?

Respect them, yes. And I do.
But I don't have to share their views, though, let alone their way of being. And I don't appreciate my kids being indoctrinated in schools at young age.

I don't want that. I won't accept that.

Hee hee, maybe the gay agenda could include telling gays not everyone is closeted and they should believe straights when they say they aren't gay or bi. Have you seen a video on how to make any man reach the conclusion he's gay, in other words, turn a heterosexual into a homo?

Well done Lesser - quoting Animal farm when discussing indoctrination was a stroke of genius. I see it now. The puppies (our children) are adopted by Napoleon (the state) and indoctrinated with the gay agenda. After they have grown up, they belong to Napoleon. I can see there's much food for thought in that statement.

The natural extension of this is frightening, no? Our children become vehement butch gay police enforcing the gay aganda on helpless straight citizens. Dressed in their pink uniforms with matching handbags, the botter division become a symbol of the terror of the state. Nobody knows whether a manicured hand in a pink velvet glove might pat on their door in the early hours and take them away for a gay reeducation course and some biscuits.

A sobering warning indeed. Good luck with your Matura exam by the way!

Oh Bubbles, I see you have been to Brighton!!...;)

Aha! Ze dream has come true! Ve should haf listened to Orwell...

I'm not sure what the problem is.

There are a number of ridiculous misconceptions about homosexuality - this thread is testament to that.

Why would any right-minded person be opposed to efforts to help rid society of these misconceptions (which often lead to hatred/bigotry/discrimination/mindless violence etc.) through education of the facts regarding homosexuality? (I'm not talking about the A-Z of anal sex, just the basic concept of homosexuality). That is unless, their own bigotry is manifested through these misconceptions. In which case, its clearly not just kids who need educating.

I guess haters will always hate, regardless of anything else. Some people get upset with the fact that some gay rights groups campaign for.... well gay rights. Do these same people feel the same about the efforts of Martin Luther King? I mean, I don't mind blacks, I just don't like it when they ram it down my throat... If my kids are taught about black history, I will withdraw them from school etc etc...

Well, that’s pretty much EXACTLY what is happening if you read that other thread about the parents being threatened with court action (!) for removing their kids from the gay agenda classroom. It’s not at all over-the-top to call it enforced gay fascism.


Right. Them too.