You can't say that and then go on to spout your belief, this is a public forum and I have as much right to post my opinion on here as you do.
I did not say that, you can say whatever you like, like anyone else but the end result is going to be deadlock. You have your opinion and I have my opinion, no leeway ends in deadlock. Therefore there is no point of furthering this discussion, it will only lead to bad feeling unless new material can be produced to the contrary.
He doesn't :- D .. Lots and lots of people have experienced what they thought were spirits around the world. A lot of their experiences are simliar. Can they all be making them up? Are they all delusional?
Scientific explanation Users subconsciously direct the path of the triangle to produce a word that is in that person's subconscious thought process. This subconscious behavior is known as ideomotor action, a term coined by William Carpenter in 1882. It is also known as automatism.[6] Some people may be convinced that the "powers" of the ouija board are real because they are unaware that they are in fact moving the piece and therefore assume that the piece must be moving due to some other "spiritual force".
So the boffins have admitted that it moves, but its not a spirit that moves it but ones Subconscious. Theyve got some crappy theortetical answer for everything.
Theyve got some crappy theortetical answer for everything.
As do the faithful and the superstitious. At least this scientific theory is based on something substantial (i.e., the fact that the user's hands are always connected to the object that is "mysteriously" moving and the acknowledged power of the subconscious human mind).
You open your mind up to another dimension. Maybe?
Just like our ancestors opened their minds to the possibility that their misfortunes were being caused by angry gods. Look where that line of thinking has gotten us. Centuries of conflict and death caused by arguments over one group's interpretation of "god" vs. another's. Thanks a lot, people of faith. Keep it up and we're all doomed.
1.It takes two to Ouija. Usually one person is not able to work the Ouija. Get a friend to use it with you. A male and female is usually recommended.
As we all know ghouls like to party and if a spirit doesn't appear then you can get it together with your "friend".
2.Timing. Most practitioners suggest using the board at night when, they say, less interference is in the atmosphere.
Yes all that daylight interference with the spirit world or because you can not see well, your imagination races. And it will make you look more attractive to the "friend" you are trying to impress in the first place.
3.Create some atmosphere. The Ouija is more fun if you darken the room and light some candles. Turn off the TV and any music to minimize distractions.
So you can get it together with your "friend".
4.Have a seat. The two users should sit facing each other, with knees touching if possible, with the board on their laps. Don't use a table.
This is just foreplay.
5.Decide on a questioner or medium. Even though both people can ask questions -- or anyone else in the room can -- only one of the users should be the medium (the one to formally ask questions of the board).
"am I going to get laid tonight or is all of this just a waste of my time?".
6.Place your fingers on the planchette. You and your partner should place the fingers of both hands very lightly on the planchette, or pointer.
Touch her lightly with your finger tips.
7.Move it. Purposely move the planchette around in a circle on the board for a moment or two to get it 'warmed up.'
Put on a bit of a show, you are trying to get in to your "friend's" knickers. Least you can do is go round lightly using your fingers, foreplay, she'll like it.
8.Attitude. Don't let the board control the session. The medium should begin by announcing that the session will only allow an experience that is positive or toward a higher good and that negative energies are not welcome.
I think that is sound advise, never let a board control you. Unless you want a bit of rough.
9.Begin simply. Start with a simple question, one that requires a yes or no answer.
Wanna get naked?.
12.Don't ask stupid questions.
I think it would be inevitable, if the person is stupid enough to believe that they are going to pick up chicks with a "magik" board, then they are bound to spoil the whole thing by asking stupid questions.
Avoid questions such as, 'When am I going to die?' If the board answers, 'in 6 months,' you might just worry about it needlessly.
Basically, it is a crock of ****, anyone who worries what a board tells them, A. their friend will never shag them. B. they have mental problems.
13.Don't ask for physical signs. Many experienced users warn against asking for physical signs that the 'spirit' is real or present.
Don't ask because it is crap and won't work.
14.Don't believe everything the board tells you. Just as with any other source of information, don't accept whatever the board says to be the truth or accurate.
Hahaha, yep boards are not a source of lotto numbers, know why? because it is all crap,
15.Close the board. This is an important step. When you're done with your session, slide the planchette to 'GOODBYE' and remove your hands.
Ouija, helping kids get pregnant for centuries.
Scientific explanation
So the boffins have admitted that it moves, but its not a spirit that moves it but ones Subconscious. Theyve got some crappy theortetical answer for everything.
Ah ha but read the rest of the same artical
The subconscious thought process may produce an answer that is different from what the user expected in their conscious thought process—thus perpetuating the idea that the board has "mystical powers". The Penn & Teller: ********! episode on Ouija Boards ran an experiment using unbiased participants. Questions were being asked to the late William Frawley with very strong answers. The participants were then blindfolded and the board was turned 180 degrees without their knowledge. With continued questioning, the planchette then traveled to bare areas of the board where the participants believed the "Yes" and "No" marks were located.
thast almost as bad as Colin Edwards contacting the dead on live TV, come on.
Some users believe that paranormal or supernatural forces are at work in spelling out Ouija board answers. Skeptics believe that those using the board either consciously or unconsciously move the pointer to what is selected. To prove this, simply try it blindfolded some time Have an unbiased bystander take notes on what words or letters are selected. Usually, the results will be unintelligible.
Lets play tricks on the spirits.
maybe you should try one. I wouldnt go near one personally i have heard too many bad stories. Youd be a fool to mess with that in my opinion. But if youre looking for something give it a go, even the sub conscious mind theory sounds very interesting.
hahaha, naw, same way I am not going to look for unicorns or sleep in a graveyard.
We got anti Ouija board propaganda in school in religion class, demon possession and all, it was so stupid the people they were talking about were mad as hatters.
A physical sign would give any human in denial a serious fright, probably fcuk them up for the rest of their lives in fact.
So why do a ouija board at all then and why ask for a sign. I am not going to be convinced of a board with "special powers", its cardboard. It doesn't use me, it doesn't have the ability to channel dead souls through me, it's just a kind of paper, wood at best.
Maybe you wish to try and contact a dead relative, looking for something, curious, interested in the unexplainable, many reasons. If you have a connection and lets say its not a particulalry friendly and powerful one i wouldnt wish to ask for a sign. Time and time again its been proven, i know people who will not talk about it at all.
Theres something you didnt list here on your research, it appears that many connections spell out grotesque and vile words. One explenation is that these words exist in ones subconscious, thats true but i dont believe thats the reason.
I am not going to be convinced of a board with "special powers", its cardboard.
Yes cardboard or wood, its the process and opportunity it creates not what its made of.
It doesn't use me, it doesn't have the ability to channel dead souls through me
Maybe not channel through you, but there is something about it which defies belief.
Time and time again its been proven, i know people who will not talk about it at all.
I don't see not talking about something as proof.
Theres something you didnt list here on your research, it appears that many connections spell out grotesque and vile words. One explenation is that these words exist in ones subconscious, thats true but i dont believe thats the reason.
Why not?
Yes cardboard or wood, its the process and opportunity it creates not what its made of.
I agree.
Maybe not channel through you, but there is something about it which defies belief.
Defies reality, I would say.
There is a place in Ireland called the seven miracles of four Ireland. One of the "miracles" is a tree that can not be burned but if you tried you would rot in hell for all of eternity.
It's bull, superstitious mumbo jumbo, they have done studies in to Voodoo, interestingly enough Voodoo only works on people who believe, same with all these superstitions.
The mind is a very powerful tool, your whole world perspective can change through belief but that does not mean the whole world has changed.
Wroclaw Boy: Theres something you didnt list here on your research, it appears that many connections spell out grotesque and vile words. One explenation is that these words exist in ones subconscious, thats true but i dont believe thats the reason. Why not?
I and i dont think i know anybody that would do such a thing. Im not sure of the actual words but from the desciptions they sound rather disgusting, evil perhaps.
The mind is a very powerful tool, your whole world perspective can change through belief but that does not mean the whole world has changed.
indeed on the other thread you want to say something about my dream premonitions, you cant say anything that will alter the reality or explain it away on the mind unless you admit i can see the future. My wife is living proof, if i hadnt told her months before then maybe.
Im not sure of the actual words but from the desciptions they sound rather disgusting, evil perhaps.
so through descriptions from you friends, they are saying that the ouija board can say evil words? In English? more evil than the vile racist remarks that are sometimes posted on this forum?
indeed on the other thread you want to say something about my dream premonitions, you cant say anything that will alter the reality or explain it away on the mind unless you admit i can see the future.
I can't admit that you see the future. But you probably knew I was going to say that :)
My wife is living proof, if i hadnt told her months before then maybe.
so through descriptions from you friends, they are saying that the ouija board can say evil words? In English?
No, i read it on a site i cant find it now and i said vile and perhaps evil words. Ive heard stories form friends but one friend in particular had a board in his house and used it regularly. I asked him one day about it and he bacome angry and told me in no uncertain terms to shut up, he would not talk about it at all.
Just googled ouija boards and found this conversation between a board and users: graveaddiction.com/ouija012007a.html
Theers plenty more at: graveaddiction.com/ouija.html
heres a good one: paralumun.com/ouijaboard.htm
The glass eventually moves and answers the question. The first time you use a OUIJA BOARD is quite startling.
Sometimes someone will deliberatly push the glass but this is easy to spot. The glass tends to move in jerks rather than free flowing.
There are stories that Ouija Boards are dangerous to use. These stories are stupid and should be ignored.
It is helpful to write down the questions you wish to ask before you start. It is also helpful to have a third person writing down the answers as you go for future reference.
Once you become experienced at the Ouija Board you will find the pace of responses coming from the glass will increase. In fact sometimes the glass will speed across the table at such great speeds it is almost impossible to keep up.
It appears that the spirits channel the energy of those using it.
Wroclaw Boy Actually i wrote disgusting but the site i read mentioned vile, my mistake.
Im ploughing through the Ouija conversations, these guys are a bit freaky but there is evidence here: graveaddiction.com/ouija072003b.html
these guys are a bit freaky but there is evidence here:
If I had been in the room, I might consider it evidence, but just reading someones account just doesn't do it for me.
It's like your dream (from the Athiest thread). For you, the dream / premonition must have had quite an affect on you. By sharing it in detail with your wife, I am sure it brought it home in a much more real sense (when it came true) because you shared it with her. If you had of told her after the fact (of it coming true), it would not have seemed as "authentic".
I think one needs to be personally involved by an experience (premonition, Near death experience, psychic event, ghostly encounter etc...) in order to truly believe. Otherwise, it just seems a little contrived - especially if you are of a fixed mindset.
SeanBM is an arrogant atheist, too bad for him I'm an arrogant agnostic.
1. No, there is no true knowing of whether there is an afterlife or not.
2. No, there is no knowing of whether humans contain a force/spirit/soul or not.
3. No, the concept of God and the afterlife does not have to be what some priests wrote in some thick book. After all, if there is a God, who are humans to be the know it all's about him?
4. How can you fully prove there is no God or afterlife, just as one cannot fully prove that there is one. Which leads to Pascal's theorem, one cannot absolutely disprove something that doesn't even exist to begin with.
5. This human race needs to stop being so egocentric and thinking they know all about all. The universe and it's workings are an epically massive hole of which we have only dug a fraction at most. As Einstein once said, "We shall never know the truth to it all, for wonder and unknown always need exist."
I did not say that, you can say whatever you like, like anyone else but the end result is going to be deadlock. You have your opinion and I have my opinion, no leeway ends in deadlock. Therefore there is no point of furthering this discussion, it will only lead to bad feeling unless new material can be produced to the contrary.
SeanBM is an arrogant atheist, too bad for him I'm an arrogant agnostic.
:) Can religions be arrogant?
I am not going to attempt to answer your points 1-3 as they deal with the same false logic in number 4, i.e. we can't prove it so I am unsure if Zeus exists, so I will hedge my bets and sit on the fence.
4. How can you fully prove there is no God or afterlife, just as one cannot fully prove that there is one. Which leads to Pascal's theorem, one cannot absolutely disprove something that doesn't even exist to begin with.
Pascal's theorem???
Even if he made such an argument as "one cannot absolutely disprove something that doesn't even exist to begin with." It is a bad argument at best because there are so many gods/superstitions/made up imaginary places, animals etc that it would be silly to 'believe' them all, with no proof just because you can not prove they don't exist.
So if I say a cat the size of an elephant is hiding behind the moon, you would be sceptical but you would not disbelieve what I say.
Zues :)
As Einstein once said, "We shall never know the truth to it all, for wonder and unknown always need exist."
Einstein never said that.
Here is something he did say "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible."
My friend is a ghosthunter and he has all the apparatus.
If there's something strange, in your neighborhood, who are you gonna call, Your friend with all the apparatus?
What equipment does he have? Does he shop in the Ghost humter Store? It always impresses me that you can find anything on the net hahaha
I have been watching a lot of John Edwards on Sky lately. You know the celebrity medium that claims to contact spirits of the dead and channels them in front of a live studio audience. I have come to the conclusion that hes either an incredible actor or that he does possess some extraordinary gift.
I think he's the real deal. Unless certain guests (or friends of guests) are playing tricks and information has been handed to Edwards before hand i dont see how its possible he can do what he does.
