It has to be remembered that if you have left for another country, you are much more mobile than many of the native population. Moving from one town to another to find work is a lot easier if you do not have a family to move with you, or just strong connections to the local area.
Everyone has to be more flexible than before.
Phillybob1982, you do not have any sensible arguments really. Unemployment is at pretty much its lowest for decades - if you don't remember the 1970s or 80s, do a little reading. If you can't find the job you want, you have to find the job you don't want. Or you have to be inspired to make something for yourself - do some training, find something no-one else is doing.
Moaning about other people gets you nowhere. You have to be positive with yourself to get on in life, not negative about others, especially when you categorise them in one big group and dismiss them with one xenophobic wave of the hand.
Correct. I have made a career in the job I didn't want. Took it on to make some money and was paid a very low pay (like £3 an hour - this was a few years ago) and now I have worked my way up the ranks to where I am now plus been to college etc and now they're telling me they want to me continue with a Uni degree to 'up' my qualifications. So yes, sometimes it makes sense to go for the one you don't want.
And BTW, I didn't leave school with many qualifications.
Haven't looked on Monster but like I said earlier
Not the only site. Use Google (or whichever search engine you have) and you'll get a list.
I had an awful job working in a shop where I was supposed to be Assistant Manager. I was working 13-16 hour days, never seeing daylight. Because I wanted to get out, I took a temporary job for four months potting shrubs. 10 years later, I'm still there. Before that I didn't care for plants and didn't even like getting my hands dirty!
You don't start life with the things you like and the things you don't - you learn them or adopt them as you go along.
The fact is that the most vulnerable strata of society will feel the negative effects of immigration more than the others. To the working classes immigration makes their already difficult lives, worse. There is no upside to immigration as competition is increased wages come down along with job security. Why should they be happy about this? Saying 'go to school get a degree' is a lazy and dismissive response. Especially when it comes from people whose economic relationship with with East Europeans is deciding who to get to fit their kitchen.
That's exactly my point, I can't get the job I want or even the job I don't want. I notice you didn't comment on my point about you making it as hard for Brits to get jobs than poles in Poland. Maybe you don't think I have any sensible arguments because don't like to here the truth. I don't know where you get your figures from for the unemployment part but I think you been wrongly informed about that. Like I said, unemployment for Polsih in UK prob non existant. But for Brits, it a different story. Seems to me that this country is racist against its own ppl.
by the way, didn't mean to say you, I meant immigrants.
He has good points. Its all very well for comfy middle class types with jobs to be complacent but if your in a situation where the only jobs available are the "low skilled" jobs and you do get off your" lazy butt" to look for these,say your local high street,in the windows of the agencies are signs,just like they used to be a few years ago for jobs,only now those signs are written in Polish,this is the North midlands,a small city,not slough or London. If all the agencies in Poland suddenly started advertising in Korean I can imagine the reaction.
But now when you enquire about the jobs that are advertised "a few in English, not many though lol" the reply is usually "no work at the minute mate" and yet, they still continue to advertise.
There's far more to training than a degree. A degree is not a very good example of training. There are short-term courses in just about anything. Local colleges do loads of stuff, including evening classes.
This is very true. Not just evening classes but also open learning. A great deal more colleges are taking this on.
But now when you enquire about the jobs that are advertised "a few in English, not many though lol" the reply is usually "no work at the minute mate" and yet, they still continue to advertise.
Then this would be a case of false advertising. They really aren't allowed to do that. Neither are they allowed to say "Polish People only" so I guess that's how they get around that.
I agree that this is false advertising but it really does happen
It is true that colleges do courses in just about anything but some of the courses are agist because when I applied to take a motor mechanics course, they said at 25 i was too old.
I agree that this is false advertising but it really does happen
I know that but it's called "false advertising".
motor mechanics course, they said at 25 i was too old.
Not sure which college this was but that's not correct. There are only a handful of courses available that can be refused on the basis of age being too old. Motor mechanic and other courses in trades generally take people on up to a certain age and 25 isn't it.
You're negative about everything anyone is suggesting. It might be true that Polish people are taking on low paid jobs but it's not true that they are preventing you from going to college, learning or getting some kind of job.
There are laws against ageism. It seems suprising that a college can deny training on the basis of age.
Your posts have sounded very negative. Being positive, despite how bad things might be, is the best way of getting somewhere. Nothing is to be gained from compaining about other people and forces beyond your control. Do something about your own situation before you moan about others making the most of what is available to them.
Keep trying to get a job - you will get there. You must leave negativity behind.
Well lets be perfectly honest, this ant a particularly positive discussion is it? And they are preventing me from getting any kind of job, coz despite what you think about me, I am not a lazy Brit who sponges off the government, I would actually take anyting. Like I heard one particular Pole say earlier in this discussion, words to the effect of - Poles come here and work to pay for the lazy English who live on the dole, that is a very brainless thing to say indeed.
You're negative about everything anyone is suggesting. It might be true that Polish people are taking on low paid jobs but it's not true that they are preventing you from going to college, learning or getting some kind of job.
To say to a guy who is unemployed and desperate that he 'is just being negative' when he is given little nuggets of advice like this shows what planet some people are living on.
I believe Norman Tebbit said something similar about the unemployed 20 years ago along the lines of "Get on your bike and look for work".
I'm from the working class and I've gone to university and have a good job however to say this is an option for everyone if they just put their mind to it is a dismissive and lazy response, often coming from people whose own good fortune has as much to do with chance as effort. I believe its also being caused by people picking sides in this Poles Vs British working class debate. On this board the Poles are obviously winning.
To say to a guy who is unemployed and desperate that he 'is just being negative'
I've re-read my words and I still stand by them. Phillybob1982 arrived here looking for a place to sound off because he was frustrated. Fair enough.
However, people have tried to suggest ways for him to get out of the rut he was in and he always had an excuse for why it wouldn't work. I suggested picking up a trade, he said he'd tried to go to college for motor mechanics and was refused on age. The college is at fault here.
But there are many other trades. I think Phillybob said he was 25 (if that's wrong, sorry) but lets take plumbing, major shortage of plumbers in the UK. If he fancied taking up this as a trade he should get in touch with plumbing companies in his area. Not sure how it works in England/Wales but can't be much different from up here. Yes he would be on a low income for the first couple of years but with a plumbing company behind him he would attend college while also working in the trade and after 3/4 years would have a reasonable trade behind him. This is just an example of course and I make it sound easy but the facts are - people have to work hard to get where they are.
And no, Polish plumbers coming over here to work are not stopping apprentices being taken on.
I believe its also being caused by people picking sides in this Poles Vs British working class debate.
It's not about taking sides, it about opinion. I am very aware that Poles are taking the lowest paid jobs and I repeat myself when I say I know from experience that I can't get British people to take these low paid jobs in my company and I believe that is the same throughout the country.
Give me a job then lol, I will take the low paid ones. I could reply to the last suggestion you had for me but then you would just accuse me of being negative so I won't bother.
Give me a job then lol, I will take the low paid ones
Good suggestion but would mean massive relocation for you and your family. That in itself would not be worth it.
I could reply to the last suggestion you had for me but then you would just accuse me of being negative so I won't bother.
If you mean about my example of taking up an apprenticeship then I am sincere in that, there are hundred of appenticeships available in plumbing (and many other trades) so if you have one hundred and one excuses for not taking this on, then maybe I would consider it negative. If it's about being skint and struggling for a few years, then I understand that. (I know about debt).
I never meant to stop you from posting with my "negativity" comments. I just think that people here have tried to be helpful and suggest things and you've always been quite negative in your responses.
I also can't be bothered with one nation being blamed for something like lack of jobs. Every couple of years it will be a different nation. The Polish people have always been prominent in UK life.
Well long before Poland joined the EU, i had visited the country many times and always found the people to be very friendly and very helpfull. Ifor one wish them all the best of good luck and lots of good fortune over here. Just wish a few of them would open up a brewery over..........i really miss the beer lol.
Good luck to all the poles in the uk, in particular Scotland
Give me a job then lol, I will take the low paid ones. I could reply to the last suggestion you had for me but then you would just accuse me of being negative so I won't bother.
With help like Working Tax Credits there is less reason than before to refuse a minimum wage job.If you are serious there are loads of jobs going begging in supermarkets etc.
blame the tossers in power who let our borders turn to dust not the people taking advantage,though it is wrong that people with homesand families and traditions and roots here are more and more being pushed to the back of percieved cues or forced to scrabble in the dust of employment to fund forgien students gap decade.
So go do something and find this damn job. If keep spreading this s*it around you, the only thing you will achieve is that sooner or later some Polish retard will break your skull.
It still seems like a lot of people on here have picked their sides. It gets old. Poles are hardworking. The English are lazy. etc, etc.
Hard work is not some sort of moral imperative amongst Poles. Poles take low paid jobs, in part, because the money they earn when taken back to Poland, IS NOT THAT OF A LOW PAID JOB! In Poland it pays for a lot, in England it pays for not very much. Poles are therefore buying a much higher standard of living for themselves in the long run than a w/c Brit can do.
Its basic economics, supply and demand. If you look at the whole situation you can only come to one conclusion about who the losers are in this scenario.
I hate the Polish Catholic spongers. Why should the British support the children of Poles who live in Poland. Would it work the other way round? I don't think so!
