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What does faith mean to people from Poland?


gilbert  
27 May 2007 /  #1
Good evening,

I am interested in what views people have on faith - is this a valid concept in modern society.. i am a teaching assistant in school in london,

many thanks
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
27 May 2007 /  #2
i am interested in what views people have on faith

Catholics will dominate the world and crush infidels.
OP gilbert  
27 May 2007 /  #3
an interesting point of view, catholicism is a humanitarian religion, is that a faith, if so what is the faith
johan123  
27 May 2007 /  #4
A belief in something that doesn't exist!
southern 75 | 7,096  
27 May 2007 /  #5
Now the standard faith is the more you consume the better it is for everybody.Just go and do some shopping and everything will be O.K.This is the central message.
OP gilbert  
27 May 2007 /  #6
A belief in something that doesn't exist!

that would be blind following
johan123  
27 May 2007 /  #7
Of course, people have always needed follow something for their own psychological well being. This doesn't, however, prove the existence of a so called personnel God.
OP gilbert  
27 May 2007 /  #8
interesting that you linked faith with god. in terms of existence or non existence do you have any rationale for it or against it
johan123  
27 May 2007 /  #9
I supposed it's a kind of security blanket, which for some ensures a meaning to existence.
TheKruk 3 | 308  
27 May 2007 /  #10
I think if Poles didn't build so many churches they would be a rich nation
OP gilbert  
27 May 2007 /  #11
I supposed it's a kind of security blanket, which for some ensures a meaning to existence.

do you think that people before us were lower in intelligence - hence the idea that they created a supernatural god. i must disagree i have limited knowledge however the works of many learned people like kant locke have made us think about options of no god however logically htye have reinforced the notion of a god, it is based on the creation theory which one can comprehend from their own senses, in additon the concept of creation logicaaly falls in the very make up of society - what is this creator is a very good question no logic has answered that yet

think if Poles didn't build so many churches they would be a rich nation

i think the churches are playing a better role for humanity then the large corporates and governments. money can 'purchase' but it is difficult to purchase peace and happiness
TheKruk 3 | 308  
27 May 2007 /  #12
The catholic church is also and always has been a large corporation maybe the first multi-national. Duping some poor serf to kill himself building a huge cathedral for the promise of heaven that the church can't even guarantee.
OP gilbert  
27 May 2007 /  #13
i d not think the church can offer heaven or anything that is based on the faith. there are many inconsistencies with catholicism, i agree but look at cafod people are giving up their time for others religion teaches this not capitalism, i mean capitalism does after you have made your millions and need attention or corporate responsibility. i do not agree with the church way of operating.
johan123  
27 May 2007 /  #14
concept of creation

The concept of creation will always lead directly to the question of who created the creator. Hence, the argument becomes a non starter for some

[quote=gilbert]do you think that people before us were lower in intelligence

I would be inclined to think that our collective intelligence has moved forward in many areas. Although, it seems. little progress has been made as far as God is concerned.

do you think that people before us were lower in intelligence

We still have a supernatural conception of god today, so nothings really changed.
southern 75 | 7,096  
27 May 2007 /  #15
it is based on the creation theory which one can comprehend from their own senses, in additon the concept of creation logicaaly falls in the very make up of society - what is this creator

Theory of creation,now no scientist supports it.All science suggests evolution(from genetics to molecular biology and palaeontology).The Pope made a mistake to support creation in time of Darwin theory and catholic church is still exposed because of that without any reason).

Anyway I stop because gilbert seems to me very sympathetic man with dignity.
OP gilbert  
27 May 2007 /  #16
i do not think that technlogical advancement and scientific discovery makes one intelligent - people have alsways lived life that is intelligence the one behaves and adaptss to its environment.

the reason why creation theory still exists because human bengs have common sense - further more the gift of reason and logic. it is illogical to believe in existenc eof earth without a creator. science cannot expllain neither can technology.

another important point one should look at is the existence of knowledge are humans born with knowledge or have they learnt (tabla rasa) if they were born then that is a seperate issue but if they had learnt then from ones sense perception we know that the human mind has limits even collectively then soemhting must have taught the human? we must flow with reason and logic

Theory of creation,now no scientist supports it.All science suggests evolution(from genetics to molecular biology and palaeontology).

evolution is a theory and always has been, please do not generalise, there is a lot of research contradicting mr darwins theory
southern 75 | 7,096  
27 May 2007 /  #17
reason why creation theory still exists because human beings have common sense - further more the gift of reason and logic. it is illogical to believe in existence of earth without a creator. science cannot explain neither can technology.

Common sense is in many cases in total contradiction to science.Scientific results do not match common sense at all.

there is a lot of research contradicting mr darwins theory

It is better not to refer to research because actually everything published in scientific journals confirms Darwin's theory(in its modern expression).I think it was wrong that the Pope expressed opinion on a scientific issue.It has consequences.He could give a theological explanation,not interfere in science.Religion is not science,you cannot prove sth or reject it.
OP gilbert  
27 May 2007 /  #18
Common sense is in many cases in total contradiction to science.Scientific results do not match common sense at all.

indeed, if i recall a scientific theory put foward by a chap called buck it was known as a sterilisation case you can check buck vs bell sterilisiation case, to get rid of poor people, also the theory of natural selection promoted the problems in nazi germany, killin someone becasue they ar enot your eye colour that is illogical not common sense, also science bought this theory about mixing potassium and phosphate to make soil farmable all year round

there are problems with this, sorry i have forgotten the details, in short science is untrustworthy becasue it is based on theories and gives only a bit of information when you do more research you realise it reinforces logic of creation
johan123  
28 May 2007 /  #19
the reason why creation theory still exists because human bengs have common sense - further more the gift of reason and logic. it is illogical to believe in existenc eof earth without a creator. science cannot expllain neither can technology.

So who created the creator!
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
28 May 2007 /  #20
I am interested in what views people have on faith

I know that the polish parliament (Sejm) ordered a mess for rain.....ha-ha-ha.....
They are on 99% Jesuits and on 80% cantings!!!!
larry casula 2 | 69  
28 May 2007 /  #21
So who created the creator!

John,
the problem with science is that it needs an explanation for everything, just as cults do, if it does not make sense and I can not see it, it must be proven. Science can not explain the existence or non-existence of God.

So God gave us other things that speak about him, and the heavens and earth proclaim his existence.
Your ? is similar to one I had as a youth. I looked at the universe as a box and it had certain space, so inside that box existed me and the universe I saw, so then what is on the outside of my box??

So i made another box to put the 1st one in and then realized there had to be another and another and that it was infinite. So I reasoned with myself, and that is when i realized there had to be a God, because nothing else could have done such a wonderful and beautiful thing!!

Faith my friend as quoted in the bible is the ability to NOT see something..."Faith is the substance of things Hoped for and the evidence of things not seen", so in order for our faith to be real we can not see what we hope for....Does not make sense does it, that is why it is simply Faith.

If you have to have an explanation for it, it no longer is faith or hope. It is diminished to seeing something that then we can agree exists. Why did God create Faith, and not show his face to us??

He did this because he gave us the free will to believe or not to. If we believe without seeing that man is blessed, if we are Tomas he would not believe until he put his hands in Jesus's nail marks, that man according to scripture has not faith.

So we have "free will" to accept God for who he is and will be, and that also includes believing he always was, he does not exist in time and space, he simply exists outside of time. We are bound by time, but when we die we will shed this veil that is between us and we will see God for who he is truly, and I can not wait for that day!!

You see it is not a crutch as some who do not understand it, it is a gift.
So you have free will to love him or reject him. I have studied the bible from "in the beginning" to the end, and the bible harmonizes itself, and you see the true character of God in this book. You see him alive not dead, you see his Grace and Mercy, you are grateful to him for what he means to you, you choose to love him by free will, not because you are afraid of Hell, it is a relationship, just like you have with your earthly father.

Now some cults as I have said want to have an explanation for this all the time, and if it does not make sense then they must make something that does.

Faith does not Make sense!! You can not explain it.
Here is my total point.
Check all religions in the world, you will see one thing in common, they are trying to reach God on their won and by their will and works, every single one!!

Christianity is the only religion on the world where a God came down to reach man, he did not require something from us, "he gave" He gave his only begotten Son, so he that believe in him shall have everlasting life!! "he who" meaning "anyone", there are no prerequisites, just simply "Faith"

have a great day!! and God Bless you Sir!!

i need to go to for now i will write more later, is a very good subject in this non-believing humanistic world we live in today, there are reasons why many people have a hard time believing in a God today and it is alot to do with our lifestyle and cultures!!

later!!!
abdul jaroslav  
28 May 2007 /  #22
a famous philosopher said 'when you learn a bit about science u disregard the creator when study science in depth it reinforces the belief in a creator'

there is a book known as the Koran and apparently it has several references to phenomena that one could call scientific.. some dud called Maurice Bucaille a French scientist has done some interesting work;
TheKruk 3 | 308  
28 May 2007 /  #23
Faith in God and organised religion do not necessarily go hand in hand. I hate to raise an old argument but seriously is the world more peaceful because of organised religion?

And how many murders were justified with the words "because God is on our side"
OP gilbert  
28 May 2007 /  #24
an excellent case bought forward. the remarkable thing one forgets is that the 20th century was a 'bloody' one, many people lost their lives for various reasons one underlying factor was the belief in ideology - world war ONE was nationalism, world war TWO fascism - then we had communism and the fight for power Iraq, Iran, Kuwait.. but yes religion does cause great conflicts, in general though i think it does not, its mainly because people get to 'extreme' into things. if people follow their religions and also respect others then there will be peace.. i like religions because they teach - charity, belief, crime reduction, ethics and morality. when you have faith you have something strict that governs your life - other wise you just blow like the wind.. whatever is around follow that
southern 75 | 7,096  
28 May 2007 /  #25
if people follow their religions and also respect others then there will be peace.. i like religions because they teach - charity, belief, crime reduction, ethics and morality. when you have

Yes but how many wars started due to religious conflicts?
johan123  
28 May 2007 /  #26
Richard Dawkins
OP gilbert  
28 May 2007 /  #27
Yes but how many wars started due to religious conflicts?

back to the 20th century thing, not to do with religion, also look at bullying in schools when you observe the behaviour you will release that conflict is associated with traits like pride, jealousy, denial and greed (to name a few). We shouldn't blame religion for human nature. if you take religion out do you think people will stop engaging in conflict, i do not think so. faith teaches patience, teached to love ones family and neighbour, what ideology atheism or secularism teaches love, atheism promotes greed as it describes the world as the only place so to fulfill our needs we will do whatever we want, mr Dawkins has an interesting approach personally he needs to stop labeling others and actually complete his research instead of explaining issues to the world in half.

Richard Dawkins

and?
renata  
28 May 2007 /  #28
it means a lot to brazilians
adilski 2 | 105  
28 May 2007 /  #29
it means a lot, people from Poland have strong family values, thats from their faith
larry casula 2 | 69  
29 May 2007 /  #30
And how many murders were justified with the words "because God is on our side"

I undertand what U mean, but in this you have your radical extremist that thinks their religion will be the only one some day.

in general though i think it does not, its mainly because people get to 'extreme' into things

gilbert is right here. You do not hear about peacful people killing in the name of God, it is ridiculous!! I think we should kill them!!LOLOLOL Easy just kidding!!

when you have faith you have something strict that governs your life - other wise you just blow like the wind.. whatever is around follow that

Again well said Gilbert, Christianity is about restraint, not persecution, it is about grace, not retubution, and love not hate.
Jesus never killed anyone.. and wasn't it he who said, "pick up your cross and follow me??"

Was Jesus the perfect example of how Christianity is to be lived!

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