Well, Obama is the going to be the new President of the USA, likely. It's time to start looking elsewhere, I think. Poland is the land of my ancestors, and I love it, although I've never been there (before doing anything rash I'm going to make sure my decision is a right decision of course). So how hard is it to get citizenship in Poland? I have a Polish last name, and I am 100% Polish on my fathers side, and 0% Polish on my mothers side.
I work as a mathematician. Is there strong industry for math/science work there? Just looking at my options, thanks.
Answering your question will get dangerously off topic and might spawn an unrelated argument, but I'll risk it because I think this is important.
I've worked my ass off in school. In college, I studied hard, got a degree Summa Cum Laude in Mathematics. In the summers, I worked full time jobs, and at times, 2 full time jobs (80 hour weeks) at very, very crappy jobs so I wouldn't have to take out too much in loans. I graduated and went to grad school. I spent 60 hour weeks studying nothing but math and physics. I graduated among the top of my class, and I got an excellent paying job in a field I enjoy very much. Its still an entry-level job and I work very hard, to the order of 50-60 hour weeks (USA has 40 hour work weeks standard) to get ahead. I've been rewarded financially for my hard work.
But along comes this guy. He says - and these are more or less direct quotes, which you can google yourself - "No, no, no. You don't have a right to your money. You have to help THIS guy over here. THIS guy, who doesn't work because he doesn't want to. THIS guy who doesn't strive to better." Obama has promised that to give people who don't pay taxes cash back. Where does this cash come from? It's from hard working people like myself.
I have a strong drive to improve myself and my condition. I was taught work ethic. I'll be damned if my hard work is going to pay off for somebody else. That just won't happen.
Other things:
1. Economic collapse. Well, collapse isn't the right word. But the flux of money going into the stock market is going to be negative for obvious reasons (taxing the rich has consequences). I'd like to retire and live well. This may not be possible, although I still have a lot of time to plan.
2. America is going to go through a famine in 2009. You didn't know that, did you? It's not being reported. But it's going to happen. In 2008, the USA's breadbasket experienced terrible, horrible flooding. Our grain, corn, etc. crop will be destroyed. The price for grain, which is traded in futures, much like oil, will sky rocket. I expect riots, and an overall ineffectiveness of the Government to handle the situation. I know this seems far-fetched, but I give this a VERY high probability of happening.
There's a lot up in the air, but there has already been a bit of an emigration already. The emigration is small but I expect it to continue .Expect to hear about this trend shortly in the future.
Do you realize that taxes in Poland are twice higher, salaries over 3 times lower with prices almost twice higher ? And If America collapse (which I know may really happen) then the whole world is going down.
I say go. And I will laugh when you get here and realize it is not better here just different.
All the rednecks and extreme right wing people think the USA is going to collapse because a black man or a liberal is at the helm. This is hilarious but if they are so worried I would be happy to see them leave. It will make it better for when I return.
You blind sheep are believing all the righty propaganda and it shows a huge lack of intellect to spin his statements into this fear mongering nonsense.
He has never been...has no idea what life is like here...but is sure it is better. Really bright plan there.
I still say go though...I will be happy to see the extremists run away from my USA. You can see that real socialism is like here in Europe. I see people's true colors now as the racism and propaganda comes out.
["No, no, no. You don't have a right to your money. You have to help THIS guy over here. THIS guy, who doesn't work because he doesn't want to. THIS guy who doesn't strive to better." Obama has promised that to give people who don't pay taxes cash back. Where does this cash come from? It's from hard working people like myself.]
You're coming to Europe to escape this? I think I've missed a point somewhere ...
I seem to remember that Obama's tax plans mean that only people earning more than $250,000 a year will pay more tax. Those are the people who can afford to pay more.
Please do come to Poland. You will love paying a total of 42.1% in taxes (that is the tax wedge here) and then paying sales tax of 22% on almost everything you buy.
Don't most mathematicians go a little crazy at some point in their lives. Like Einstein?
Maybe jdawg just hit it a little early in life... with his famine idea. Take a chill pill - the world will not collapse.
As for your big idea on citizenship in Poland saving you, maybe take a trip there first to see if its worth it... and look at the recent value of the PLN.
is your dad polish as coming from poland or polish as his great grandparents came here from the old country & their kids have only married other poles?
if your dad was born in poland it should be easier to get a citizenship than a person who is not polish and so you know the whole world is going into recestion just not the US you will also need to learn good polish like other people had said vist poland to see if you reallywant to give up your american citizenship to poland(they dont have dual citizenships)
I know several people with both. I think in the laws it does say you are not allowed to hold both as this comes up commonly and I have seen it on official information but nobody ever enforces it obviously.
Either way the OP isnt going to do it ever. He is just blowing wind because he is pissed off about the election. He cant see that the things he is afraid of in the USA already exist here...high taxes, social systems, no guns allowed etc.
I think in the laws it does say you are not allowed to hold both as this comes up commonly and I have seen it on official information but nobody ever enforces it obviously.
different countires have different laws about it... some allow and some not...
To tell you the truth, I didnt know that Poland didn't allow guns. My dad was in Poland over the summer, and said he went hunting, and that it had to be all on the hush hush. I didnt get it. I asked if he had his "permit" or whatever, and that's when I got the whole story of how guns aren't allowed, and even hunting riffle permits or whatever they are called are quite hard to come by. I guess we take for granted the freedoms we have, until we don't have them.
I guess we take for granted the freedoms we have, until we don't have them.
Yep. The only things I think the US is behind the times on compared to other developed nations is health care and education costs. Overall the USA has good comforts and rights. It is just in a few specific areas it falls short. Taxes, fuel, goods...most things are cheaper there. I never got people complaining about fuel costs when Europe as always paid 2 to 3 times as much.
I guess we take for granted the freedoms we have, until we don't have them.
You make it sound like you think it's a good thing to have easy access to guns. Do you think the shocking rate of gun crime in the US is a price worth paying for this so-called freedom?
You do realize the people who commit gun violence wouldn't follow the rules if there were some banning guns right? This is an empty argument. In the end it doesnt really matter as it is a right and in our laws so you can be against it all you want...we can still have them :)
By your logic we should ban cars as they kill a LOT more people than guns.
of course - I'm just really curious as to why in this day and age it's considered a right worth fighting for (no pun intended) :)
You do realize the people who commit gun violence wouldn't follow the rules if there were some banning guns right?
But surely making it so easy to get hold of them (for example in a supermarket, I believe?) can't help.
By your logic we should ban cars as they kill a LOT more people than guns.
Not quite - to drive a car I have to pass a test, have a license, valid insurance and make sure my car is roadworthy. I also have to pay a fortune for heavily taxed fuel and an annual inspection. In the event of an accident, I also can't claim to have killed/maimed someone in self-defence... Also, cars are useful!
But surely making it so easy to get hold of them (for example in a supermarket, I believe?) can't help.
No...the guns used in most cases of violence are not the hunting type of guns you can buy in SOME Wal Mart type stores. You also have to pass a national background check to even buy those.
The bad guys will always get the tools to kill people no matter what the law says. The laws only keep good normal folks from responsibly owning guns.
Not quite - to drive a car I have to pass a test, have a license, valid insurance and make sure my car is roadworthy. I also have to pay a fortune for heavily taxed fuel and an annual inspection. In the event of an accident, I also can't claim to have killed/maimed someone in self-defence... Also, cars are useful!
I don't buy your defense. People who wish to carry a gun for self defense must take courses and pass tests. I am not sure what you mean about not claiming to kill someone in self defense as I think this is the time it is OK to kill someone with a gun...to protect life. Guns are useful as well...providing food to hunters, self defense etc.
Fact is cars still kill many more people every year than guns. Guns like cars are tools. People can misuse those tools but it doesn't make the tool evil. You response is what I hear from every European. They don't get it because they have a skewed view of gun culture. They believe the propaganda and nonsense.
Look at the UK for an example of how bad people always find a way to kill. Ban guns...people use knives...ban knives...people will move on to the next thing to kill others with. You cannot remove all possible dangers..like I said if so you would remove cars as they are one of the biggest killers.
Gun owners do not WANT to kill anyone. Most of them are hunters and sportsmen. People who carry guns for self defense would be happy to never need it. But the time you do need it to save the life of your family or others makes it worth having.
I think the law is that Poland doesn't recognize dual citizenship - the way that a person with let's say both Polish and American citizenship, when is in Poland then is treated as a Polish and only a Polish citizen and that's It. It's not illegal to have more then one citizenships.
No, Gregorz is right. There is nothing to stop you having Polish plus other citizenships (as far as Polish law is concerned), it's just that Poland will not recognise your other citizenships. As far as Poland is concerned you are 100% Polish if you are in Poland or travelling on a Polish passport.
The complication is that sometimes the other country (e.g. Japan I think is one) might not allow you to have multiple citizenships and so you have to give one up.
But there is no problem in having both Polish and American, or Polish and British etc..
It always amuses me that people steeped in logical argument can be so irrational at times. Proof through any means is one of the innate building blocks of mathematics. It appears you were more into studying statistics by the way you sling about unwarranted inferences. I too, am a mathematician. Unlike you, however, I am looking to move to Poland for the right reasons not due to my insecurities. If you look logically at the historical trends in America you would notice that Bush has increased the national debt more than all other Presidents before him, and the only years of good growth and surplus were under the last Democratic president (Clinton).
Although socialist tendencies may emerge, they were already festering in the right as well as the left. Elimination of 401ks as conservatives conjecture will never happen. Socialized health care is still a long way from emerging. Taxes on incomes over 250,000 will rise but taxes on your income (undoubtedly, most mathematicians rarely make over a quarter of a million) will fall. If you make more than 250,000 a year then your entire post is simply blowing steam. Clearly, in a country where you have these types of opportunities readily available you should be happy with a number of the freedoms you experience.
If you want to work in a conservative atmosphere and be paid oodles of money I'd suggest moving to Dubai. Have fun living under Muslim edict, I will imagine it will feel more restrictive than quasi-socialist American political policy.
Our country will be fine, it is simply experiencing what has been a long time coming. The technology boom was centered in our backyard and thus we were able to continue in our dominance of global economies post World War II and the proliferation of technology in other countries is eliminating our advantage. When you can get the same quality of work from a foreign programmer as a native and pa them 1/3 of the salary you will make the same decision many American business-owners have. Capitalism breeds socialism in some regards, and the great evening occurring in the states is a direct result of capitalism.
I'd suggest you take this opportunity to go back to school and study politics and economics so that you do not make such asinine comments in the future.
I have a strong drive to improve myself and my condition. I was taught work ethic. I'll be damned if my hard work is going to pay off for somebody else. That just won't happen.
you really need to take a good look around you and see whats happening, those jobs which are outsourced were jobs that those people who dont have jobs now is what your paying for.. so how about talking to the big boss and telling him that our sourcing was not a good idea after all. then all that big money you dont want to help save your fellow American with who has a family and doesn't know if tomorrow will bring food for his family
we all have a strong drive, but when a machine which was made from technology replaces a man, thats one more job lost..
when I go shopping, I refuse to use the do it yourself line, why? Not because I am lazy, I feel its my duty to keep going to the line which has a cashier, this secures her job/ or his job which is slowly getting replaced by machines and guess how many people are running it? yep,, one and how many cashiers lost their jobs? or were let go? probably 4 to each machine created ...
I say boycott the machines!!! <~self scanners.. sorry peeps I am tired.
I'd suggest you take this opportunity to go back to school and study politics and economics so that you do not make such asinine comments in the future.
he dont need schooling, he needs to go to a shelter and see all hungry people who lost homes, jobs, etc.. a good swift kick of reality..
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