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mizeria - cucumber salad?



dragan   21 Apr 2009 /  #1
Hello!
Can someone please explain the etimology of word 'mizeria'?
Where did it come from? Why is it used for cucumber salad?
Thx!


gumishu 10 | 4,279   21 Apr 2009 /  #2
I actually don't know the etymology of the word - but you can't go far from Latin root of the word (English misery comes from the same root for sure) mizerny means shabby, weak, bad - the notion was some time in the past that mizeria is not a proper food i.e. potato and meat ;) (just cucumbers in sour cream plus chopped onion, salt and pepper - you can hardly satisfy hunger with such stuff)

actually I love mizeria

btw the same term mizeria is also applied to a pasteurised cucumber salad in oily vinegary brine (onions, piment and bay leave added) (there are some variations to the recipe btw)
Polonius3 1,008 | 12,444   21 Apr 2009 /  #3
According to Aleksander Brückner's classic Słownik Etymologiczny, mizeria (from the Italian word for misery, destitution, poverty) as the name of a cucumber salad arose as a schoolboy joke the same as gramatka (a fruit soup whose name is reminiscent of gramatyka = grammar). He did not elaborate.
gumishu 10 | 4,279   21 Apr 2009 /  #4
Brueckner was completely off the spot in many instances of Polish etymologies
Seanus 15 | 19,750   21 Apr 2009 /  #5
Maybe someone felt miserable after eating it. My dunce cap is on as I say this ;)
Karinka 9 | 28   26 May 2009 /  #6
Thread attached on merging:
Cucumber salad

Good day,

Does anyone have the Polish recipe for cucumber salad? (Miseria???? I don't know the correct spelling.) Had it when I was in Poland last year and LOVED it.

Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Karinka
plk123 8 | 4,169   26 May 2009 /  #7
yes, google or search. good stuff too.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,703   26 May 2009 /  #8
come on Plk, you know the recipe, give it up!!

lol
plk123 8 | 4,169   26 May 2009 /  #9
if i didn't post it, polonius or pgtx already have. i know i posted a picture before.
Vincent 9 | 815   Moderator 26 May 2009 /  #10
Does anyone have the Polish recipe for cucumber salad? (Miseria???? I don't know the correct spelling.) Had it when I was in Poland last year and LOVED it.

Is this the right one?
easteuropeanfood.about.com/od/vegetables/r/cukessourcream.htm
plk123 8 | 4,169   26 May 2009 /  #11
not really. it should be vinegarless.

here:

cuces - sliced as thin as possible. peeled is best but can be either way
add a bit of sour cream and stir
pepper the heck out of it.
optional - add dill
sadieann 2 | 205   26 May 2009 /  #12
Cucumber Salad#1 (Mizeria)
2 cucumbers 1 cup sour cream
3 green onions 2 teaspoons lemon juice
salt/pepper to taste 1 teaspoon sugar
Peel the cucumbers and slice very thin. Salt well and set aside for a few minutes. Squeeze the cucumbers to remove excess water. In a small bowl, mix the sour cream with lemon juice and sugar. In a serving glass salad bowl, mix the cucumbers, chopped green onion and the sour cream mixture. Chill before serving. Can be made ahead, but keep the cucumbers and chopped onions in separate bowl for the sour cream mixture. This cucumber salad can also be served with vinegar and sugar to taste.)
plk123 8 | 4,169   26 May 2009 /  #13
way too much sour cream.. it's not about the cream but pepper and the cuces.
sadieann 2 | 205   26 May 2009 /  #14
Whoops! I agree, 1 cup sour cream. Thanks for catching that.....
plk123 8 | 4,169   26 May 2009 /  #15
maybe a Table spoon or 2?
Patrycja19 63 | 2,703   26 May 2009 /  #16
Now when I go to the polish resturant, they make it with alot of sour cream..

not so much pepper.

I think each family made food similar, but to their taste.
Karinka 9 | 28   26 May 2009 /  #17
Thank you everyone!!!

Karinka
plk123 8 | 4,169   27 May 2009 /  #18
they make it with alot of sour cream..

don't get me wrong, it should have a nice amount of sourcream.

it should look more this:

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but this is way too much:

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pgtx 30 | 3,173   27 May 2009 /  #19
but this is way too much:

i like it that way...
mafketis 16 | 4,243   27 May 2009 /  #20
Several years ago I translated a paper on peasant food in Wielkopolska (fun fact: Poznanian 'rogale świętomarcińskie' are basically a fake folk tradition 'revived' so as to not have to honor the memory of Piłsudski who is not popular in Poznań due to his lack of support for the Wielkopolska uprising).

Anyway, about mizeria, details are fuzzy now, but if I remember right it was one of a number of joke names for food that stuck for whatever reason. Others included 'ślepe ryby' ( a kind of potato soup that AFAIK no one makes anymore).
Patrycja19 63 | 2,703   29 May 2009 /  #21
it should look more this:

that looks about right. :)
shark8   30 May 2009 /  #22
Speaking about the ethymology of the word: - I heard a story that "misery" was felt by the Italian pricncess Bona Sforza, after she became the Polish queen. Apparently she felt homesick for Italy and at that times she would eat "mizeria".

Bona Sforza is believed to have introduced "włoszczyzna" ("Italian vegetables") to Poland around year 1520; apparently some of the vegetables were not known at that time (not sure which - please note however that cucumbers are not włoszczyzna!!!).

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