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Accusative Case


Krzysztof  2 | 971  
15 May 2008 /  #31
I have not been instructed on using the verb to determine the case but to use the noun and adjective, as above.

I guess your teacher doesn't want to overwhelm you with too much theory as it can be discouraging, so for now you're OK doing exercises like this (when they say you what adjective/noun case to use), when you master all the 6 case endings (in singular and plural, for all the 3 genders), then the time will come for another level of exercises, where you'll have to decide by yourself what cases are required after a specific verb.

EDIT

POWIEŚĆ ends in a consonant so I thought it would be masculine.

There's a large group of feminine nouns ending in a soft consonant (usually -ść, -dź)

for example:
wiadomość (news)
znajomość (knowledge, acquaintance)
podłość (vileness)
doniosłość (importance)
those are usually created from an adjective (wiadomy, znajomy, podły, doniosły)

spowiedź - confession (from the verb spowiadać)
gołoledź
(but niedźwiedź - a bear - is masc.)

Surnames are also nouns unless ending with -ski, -ska. In which case they become adjectives.
Am I correct in the above statement?

Yes, although it's hard to say if those surnames really become adjectives (from the logical point of view), but their declension is identical to adjectives, so grammatically we treat them as adjectives.

This also applies to:
- surnames with -cki/-cka and -dzki/-dzka endings (for example Nowacki, Niedźwiedzka)
- surnames that are "pure adjectives" (fro example Cichy = silent, Czarny = black, Biały = white) although this case is more complicated, Polish laws allow people with surnames that are "pure adjectives" to choose if they want it with normal declension (Maria Czarna, Marii Czarnej, Marię Czarną etc.) or without any declension, then the Nominative male form is used in all cases, also for women, (Maria Czarny, Marii Czarny, Marię Czarny etc.)

If I am correct are there any more names/parts of names that are treated as anything other than nouns?

Rather not, but there are nouns that follow the adjective declension pattern (for example "uczony" - I'm sure I wrote about it not long ago in one of your threads).
ArcticPaul  38 | 233  
16 May 2008 /  #32
I think I found another Feminine word that ends in a consonant.
NOC.
My dictionary has a -f after it and also gives the masc (nocy) and the neuter (noce).

those are usually created from an adjective (wiadomy, znajomy, podły, doniosły)

Can you think of any English equivalents of nouns(?) made from adjectives?

Rather not, but there are nouns that follow the adjective declension pattern (for example "uczony" - I'm sure I wrote about it not long ago in one of your threads

Yes you did. In my 'ACCUSATIVE.Masc/Fem/Neu' thread.
You have been a great help to me.
Thank you.
benszymanski  8 | 465  
16 May 2008 /  #33
My dictionary has a -f after it and also gives the masc (nocy) and the neuter (noce).

Woah careful - you are getting confused. Noc is feminine as you say. Therefore it will never by used in a masculine or neuter form. Nocy is not the masc form and noce is not the neuter form - there are no such things as a masc/neuter form of a feminine word.

Your dictionary is probably showing you how to form the genitive and plural.
Each dictionary is different - mine just says "Noc - f, nocy (G. plur)" so I know that nocy is the genitive plural.

As mentioned, best to learn the gender with the word as there are a lot of irregularities.
Krzysztof  2 | 971  
16 May 2008 /  #34
there are no such things as a masc/neuter form of a feminine word.

I guess I know what you meant, but to be precise there's such thing for adjectives of course (they have all 3 gender forms, but the dictionary mentions the masculine only) and for nouns too (of course only for some nouns, basically those that refer to male/female people: lekarz-lekarka, uczeń-uczennica etc. or animals: lew-lwica, osioł-oślica etc.)

Can you think of any English equivalents of nouns(?) made from adjectives?

Plenty of them :)
There are several different endings (just like in Polish) to create a noun from and adjective, even in the examples I gave earlier 2 of the English words were created that way:

-ness
(adjective vile, noun vileness)
-ence/ance
(adj. important, noun importance)
-ism
(adj. imperial, noun imperialism)
But I don't see why you're asking me about English, I'm definitely not an expert :)
ArcticPaul  38 | 233  
16 May 2008 /  #36
Agreed. Perfect explanation (and examples).
SeanBM  34 | 5781  
16 May 2008 /  #37
Mixed genders in Accusative case?

I got accused of that once, I say only the boring stay straight
ArcticPaul  38 | 233  
22 May 2008 /  #38
Merged: Adjective/Noun agreement in the accusative?

Insert the correct form of nouns and adjectives.
Oni mają...............[jajko, czekoladowy]
The noun, jajko (egg) is animate. Does this mean the adjective must agree in gender/case?
In Accusative Case can a noun be animate and the same sentences adjective be inanimate. Or must agreement be found for the entire sentence?
Michal  - | 1865  
22 May 2008 /  #39
imate. Does this mean the adjective must agree in gender/case

Yes, it must. Therefore oni mają czekoladowe jajko.
ArcticPaul  38 | 233  
23 May 2008 /  #40
Thanks Michal.
And because they are neuter I need not change the form to accusative....
Helcia  - | 2  
8 Oct 2008 /  #41
Merged: Polish Instrumentalis & Accusative Case

Can anyone (in English, please) easily explain the Polish instrumentalis and accusative cases? I am in a beginning Polish class would like to find some sort of chart that would easily explain it to me. I am confused about how and when the adjective and object endings change. (Instrumentalis verb: być and Accusative verb: mieć) The Polish workbook is confusing.
Svenski  1 | 159  
8 Oct 2008 /  #42
have you checked this site?

grzegorj.w.interia.pl/gram/en/gram00.html
Helcia  - | 2  
8 Oct 2008 /  #43
Thank you. This is an excellent resource. The site is very thorough (but could be more user friendly). Hopefully, I'll find the sections I'm looking for.
PolskaDoll  27 | 1591  
8 Oct 2008 /  #44
You might also find some help on PF by following this link to similar threads :)

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