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Joined: 15 Nov 2007 / Male ♂
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From: Poland, Tarnow
Speaks Polish?: Yes...but not perfectly
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scorpio   
10 Oct 2009
Real Estate / LAND PURCHASE IN POLAND FROM RETIREE [10]

Strawberry / Kierownica64,

I located an authoritative and precise source on the law for foreign nationals purchasing land in Poland. Originally, my explanation was partially correct (the 2012 date), referring only to Northern and Western (8 out of 16) districts in Poland. It turns out the law is a bit more detailed than that, with one transition date and two exceptions to the rule. Please read it very carefully. Here it is in full detail, along with the source:

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Issuance of permits to entrepreneurs from the European Economic Area (EU plus Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein)

On 1 May 2004, the general rule whereby a permit is required for purchase by foreigners of real estate or shares in companies which are legal owners or perpetual usufructuaries of real estate ceased to apply to nationals and entrepreneurs residing or established in the territory of the European Economic Area (EEA).

However, the Act provides for derogation in this respect. EEA nationals and entrepreneurs must obtain a permit in case:

* To purchase agricultural and forest land - for 12 years after Poland became a member of the EU (i.e. until 2 May 2016).

However, EEA foreigners will not be required to obtain a permit during this transitory period in the following cases:

To purchase agricultural land situated in:

* The following eight western and northern provinces: Dolnośląskie, Kujawsko-Pomorskie, Lubuskie, Opolskie, Pomorskie, Warmińsko-Mazurskie, Wielkopolskie, Zachodniopomorskie - after the end of the seven year period (in 2012 earliest) since the execution of a lease contract (date of execution must be certified), if during that period they have pursued farming in person on the land concerned and have legally resided in Poland,

* The following eight central are eastern provinces: Lubelskie, £ódzkie, Małopolskie, Mazowieckie, Podkarpackie, Podlaskie, Śląskie, Świętokrzyskie - after the end of the three year period (in 2008 earliest) since the execution of a lease contract (date of execution must be certified), if during that period they have pursued farming in person on the land concerned and have legally resided in Poland

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Keep in mind, the two exceptions (2012 & 2008) to the May 2, 2016 rule require that the land in question has already been 'leased by a person that has pursued farming'.

paiz.gov.pl/index/?id=55603a5f239e435c642244be3e891b85
Here is the full source to the law, defining in detail who is a foreigner, the rules, exceptions, and permit process.
scorpio   
21 Oct 2009
Real Estate / Purchasing land in Lubelskie, LAW now and future! [4]

blondiecouture,

This question was answered in the following thread:

https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/real-estate/poland-land-purchase-retiree-38956/

Since you hold a Polish passport and I assume you are a Polish citizen, then you can purchase land without any restrictions.

Here is the law for the purchase of land / forest in Poland by a foreigner:

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Issuance of permits to entrepreneurs from the European Economic Area (EU plus Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein)

On 1 May 2004, the general rule whereby a permit is required for purchase by foreigners of real estate or shares in companies which are legal owners or perpetual usufructuaries of real estate ceased to apply to nationals and entrepreneurs residing or established in the territory of the European Economic Area (EEA).

However, the Act provides for derogation in this respect. EEA nationals and entrepreneurs must obtain a permit in case:

* To purchase agricultural and forest land - for 12 years after Poland became a member of the EU (i.e. until 2 May 2016).

However, EEA foreigners will not be required to obtain a permit during this transitory period in the following cases:

To purchase agricultural land situated in:

* The following eight western and northern provinces: Dolnośląskie, Kujawsko-Pomorskie, Lubuskie, Opolskie, Pomorskie, Warmińsko-Mazurskie, Wielkopolskie, Zachodniopomorskie - after the end of the seven year period (in 2012 earliest) since the execution of a lease contract (date of execution must be certified), if during that period they have pursued farming in person on the land concerned and have legally resided in Poland,

* The following eight central are eastern provinces: Lubelskie, £ódzkie, Małopolskie, Mazowieckie, Podkarpackie, Podlaskie, Śląskie, Świętokrzyskie - after the end of the three year period (in 2008 earliest) since the execution of a lease contract (date of execution must be certified), if during that period they have pursued farming in person on the land concerned and have legally resided in Poland

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Keep in mind, the two exceptions (2012 & 2008) to the May 2, 2016 rule require that the land in question has already been 'leased by a person that has pursued farming'.

Here is the full source to the law, defining in detail who is a foreigner, the rules, exceptions, and permit process.
paiz.gov.pl/index/?id=55603a5f239e435c642244be3e891b85
scorpio   
21 Oct 2009
Genealogy / Where is Brazazowa or Brazazowka? [24]

There is a village near mine called "Brzozowa", located in between Gromnik and Zakliczyn, in Galicja. Just give me the surname you are searching and I can tell you if this is the village you are looking for.
scorpio   
24 Oct 2009
Genealogy / Where is Brazazowa or Brazazowka? [24]

His name was Jozef Kupiec...

There is no surname of 'Kupiec' in the village of Brzozowa near me. For sure, you are searching for another village, perhaps the one mentioned in this thread. Good luck!
scorpio   
9 Dec 2009
Real Estate / 15 reasons why the Polish real estate market will crash soon [258]

I'm glad that I invested in two farms, forest, and arable farmland back in 2001. Flats, at that time, 'were' an excellent investment, but now flat prices are hovering somewhere in the twilight zone. Just had my Polish real estate (over 10 hectares of mostly forest, including some arable farmland, two farms - one totally rebuilt, the other still vacant and in original form) assessed at approximately 1,200,000 PLN, and that's being conservative. Can't complain about that when you consider my original investment back then.

Again, to those on this forum, please don't equate the term "Polish Real Estate" with only 'flats'. If you include forests, arable farm land, and small to mid-sized farms in the equation, then it paints a totally different picture.
scorpio   
9 Dec 2009
Real Estate / 15 reasons why the Polish real estate market will crash soon [258]

For agricultural land we have what 3 PLN / m2 or £0.66

Ok, that's a fair price for pure, empty agricultural land (about 30,000 PLN per hectare). Keep in mind, that's empty arable land with nothing on it. When you start to price arable land which contains a small wooden home, or brick stable, or a wooden barn on it, that totally changes the way you value that per m2 land - it then ranges anywhere between 75,000 PLN to 150,000 PLN per hectare for the reason being you now have a zoned farm plot within and / or adjacent to your agricultural land, which is perfect for renovating or tearing down the old farm house and building a home which replicates the same area on the original foundation. Everyone wants a house or other building on a large plot or arable land, instead of a home on a small 0.20 hectare piece. I've done exactly that, purchased an empty wooden farm house, barn shell, all with electricity and water, on land / forest exceeding 5 hectares and 2 hectares respectively. For the former, I tore down the old wooden house, rebuilt a new brick house consisting of the same area in m2, on a new foundation which was constructed on the same location as the log home's foundation, without any cost of a plan or architect. The same was done with my barn, which is now brick as well. Such properties are rarely ever mentioned here on Polish Forums when discussing the 'Polish Real Estate' market. It's always the same - flats, flats, and flats.

Eventually, Polish agricultural land will reach a fair equilibrium price with that of Western European farms. That means, the price will only go up until a near equilibrium is reached. One major reason is that foreigners still need permission from the Polish interior ministry to purchase farmland and farms in Poland. Once this law is abolished around 2012, you will see demand increase for agricultural land from a new bunch of people...foreigners. That will only bode well for those holding agricultural properties in Poland.

As far as flats in Poland go, there isn't much good news as of now.
scorpio   
10 Dec 2009
Real Estate / 15 reasons why the Polish real estate market will crash soon [258]

If put on the market today how long would you estimate it would take you to sell at that price?

It wasn't my intention to give the impression that 'all' of my property holdings in Poland are going on the market for sale, because they are not. I happen to live on one of my farms, so forget about this one being for sale. I was only providing information on how valuable the property I had purchased 7 years ago has become. The 1,200,000 PLN estimate is at the low end. The thousands of thick birch trees in my forests alone (without the land they stand on) make up a nice portion of the total asset value. Then throw in a brand new brick home, a new brick barn that resembles more of a large house, lots of arable land, and then my second farm with three buildings...yes, everything can be easily sold, quite fast for that price.

Scorpio congratulations on your windfall, but don't open the champers until you have the cash in your hot little hand.

Again, it's not my intention to sell. I was only providing fair market value and making the point that 'Polish Real Estate' isn't only 'flats'. It's much more than that. It seems on these forums, the prime focus of 'Polish Real Estate' is only on flats and nothing more. I'm only introducing another segment of the property market in Poland to the readers. My mention of fair market value is not a prelude to selling my holdings. It's for informational purposes only.
scorpio   
18 Dec 2009
Life / Warsaw restaurant for Wigilia [14]

Anyone up to meeting and creating an expat oriented Wigilia minus the karp? I'm pretty much by myself in southeastern Poland near Tarnów in the middle of nowhere. Although several neighbors have invited me for Wigilia, I really can't stand either karp or śledż and don't wish to force myself to eat it out of respect. They all love their fish and I don't like it. I'd rather opt for the pierogi, naleśniki, placki and force some other good meat dishes (although not traditionally allowed). I'm flexible to travel a bit. It's a shot in the dark, but let me know if you're interested.
scorpio   
19 Dec 2009
Life / Warsaw restaurant for Wigilia [14]

As for meat, why not just roast a turkey and bring it over with you?

Living in the most Catholic and traditional part of Poland [yes I am also Catholic and part Polish], nobody here would be too happy to even mix a tiny portion of meat with the typical Wigilia dinner. I think I'll just cook up some spaghetti and meatballs for Wigilia and enjoy it in my home!