News / Do Polish people feel there is a danger of communism growing stong again? [69]


So, socialism is fully exposed in Venezuela you say?

News / Radoslaw Sikorski (Polish minister of foreign affairs)- what is the deal? [5]

In these conflicts both sides are guilty, the level of populism is depressing...

I think that Sikorski himself had ambition to become president in the future. He wanted to have good relations with PiS and PO. However cooperation with president was not very good when he was minister of defense in Kaczynski government. He left the government but rather in peaceful manner. But when he decided to join PO during election campaign twins felt that he betrayed them.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


Nonsense. During the WWII Franco did not handle even a single Jew to Hitler, what is more after diplomatic intervention he freed 400 Jews from German concentration camp, granted citizenship to 350.000 Jews expelled from Spain in middle ages. Jewish institute Yad Vashem awarded him a special title of "gentile among the nations".

Beside of that Franco was from respected family and he would not spend time in company of bandits from social bottom like Hitler. Your theory is ridiculous.


Germans helped him before WWII (so were Brits), so your association is misleading. From the Spanish point of view this was good deal, less Spanish blood and money were sacrificed. What could you say about western countries allied with Soviet butchers when they knew very well the nature of their regime?

After the war Franco needed to punish all those communist criminals, otherwise they would organize their terrorist band once again. He did a great job.


Yes. However they were Soviet financed fanatical communist bandits that committed various crimes on civilians. Nothing to be proud from Polish perspective. Just look at this comical flag "CCCP Polonia" posted above. We in Poland should be glad to Franco and his soldiers that they were killing them. The same people after WWII chased AK members.


They did the reform in 1957.

1961-64 GDP grow 8,7% per year
1960-75 7,2% average GDP grow per year, only Japan had higher grow in the world
1969 - Spain is 12-th economic power in the world. Salaries grow, 7,9% per year.

1960 - 1% of Spanish citizens owned TV, 4% owned car, 4% owned refrigerator.
1970 - 62% of Spanish citizens owned TV, 24% owned car, 63% owned refrigerator.

These statistics says everything...

News / Do Polish people feel there is a danger of communism growing stong again? [69]

I did not write that the EU is strictly communist. Somebody suggested that Putin is a communist threat and that the EU protect us from this threat. This is simply wrong.

Putin served in the past in KGB. However many European top politicians when young supported communist cause as well. Putin was more an agent that ideologue in opposition to those politicians. After fall of Soviet Union Putin chose national socialism while those in the west even earlier switched to euro-socialism. Both systems are based on huge bureaucracy. The difference is due to internationalist nature of euro-socialism. This internationalism cause that they are closer to communism theory than Putin in my opinion. I have lived under communism and now I live under Brussels bureaucracy. If you disagree then share with me your arguments.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


This quote comes from a Jewish author and is not confirmed by any other source on the internet. Some Jews love to moan about endless anti-Semitism around the world over in over. They should be ignored. Franco record in saving Jews speak for itself, Jewish institute confirmed this awarding him.

This is funny quote from your source. Author is clearly delusional.

In spite of the vicious anti-Zionism of its press on both sides of the political spectrum, and the recurrence of "the Jewish lobby" scapegoat,most Spaniards remain unaware of Judeophobia in their country. This naivety could be used to advantage, making it a phenomenon that could be counteracted.


Franco did good job providing his country foreign help. Less Spanish blood and money were sacrificed.

Franco used German help before WWII started. The west cooperated with Soviet butchers during the war when they knew very well the nature of this regime. Don't you see a double standards in your thinking?

If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.Winston Churchill


So what, he did not invade. Churchill and Roosevelt discussed with Stalin more than once. This is job of the leader of the country to discuss with other leaders.


Marxists are commies. For what do you think these Jewish brigades were fighting if not communism? Since when anarchist are OK, especially if they commit acts of terror?


These estimations are often not properly investigated. However we are all aware that war is a brutal event where many people dies. If Republicans would not start their terrorist activity then they would continue to run Spain instead fighting the civil war.


palce lizać :)

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]




Nonsense. I understand that you are happy that democratically elected NSDAP did not find such obstacles like Franco on its way in Germany? Democratically elected government which brutally raped order of law and human rights deserved to be overthrew.


You are somehow right, this is risky move. However Franco was successful.


My point is that leftists always associate Franco with German help during Spanish civil war. What they always forget to mention that Hitler did not showed its true face at that time.


This is just speculation, this was early stage of the war. You cannot judge a man for the things that he did not do.


Honestly I'm not aware. One could suspect that British and American diplomacies encouraging him to refuse Hitler.

Chamberlain and Deladier met with Hitler and Mussolini and shamelessly sold out Czechoslovakia. But their countries cannot be touch? These days their leaders don't want to meet Lukashenko but kiss Chinese leaders boots. All this blaming thing is question of importance of the country.

UK, Ireland / gay guys in London seek surrogacy female [134]

What a depressing topic, Europe has big troubles... I have always claiming that the Muslims are not the worst threat to Europe. Degeneration from inside is.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


You are in denial, reject facts.


He cleansed the field, terrorists cannot be tolerated. Even if they are left-wing. :)


Really? Tell this to Chamberlain and Deladier, they met him in 1938.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


They fought in Eastern front on their own account. Franco allowed those voluntaries to left Spain to fight Soviet communists but not western countries. Nearly all countries in Europe collaborated with Hitler on the wide scale, providing, vichy governments, troops and territory. But you concentrate on such small detail, completely ignoring his refusal to join Germans.

I cannot blame them for fighting Soviets. Ask the Balts.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


Those are not professional historians but emotionally engaged leftists.


Spain was neutral, this is a historical fact.

Will you condemn your own country for selling out Czechoslovakia to Nazis in Munich?

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


So you say Britain was fascist??


Come on, you can do better than name calling! If you recommend biased sources to somebody who admit that he have no clue this is not good advice.


Like Switzerland, like the US till Japan invaded them. Everybody cared about interest of own country, nothing to do with ideology.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


Where do you think the Nazis kept all their cash if not in Swiss banks? Business like hell. Some American companies helped to improve German industry. All countries have little sins on their consistence. Of course I have no intention to make the US or Britain look fascist, just point out double standards that the left use against Franco.


Britain chose the easiest line in Munich and later in Yalta. Nobody really expect that you should fight for these countries but honorary solution would be at least make an official protest.


Who is highly respected is a relative term.

Pio Moa "The Myths of the Civil War" ("Los mitos de la guerra civil", "Mity Wojny domowej Hiszpania 1936-1939' )

News / Do Polish people feel there is a danger of communism growing stong again? [69]


Putin would win elections if he decided to compete. You will say that he control mainstream media. Yes he does. How the EU bureaucracy is different? In other thread in this section I'm exposing true face of their "democracy". Pro-EU propaganda is not worse than Putinist for sure. I don't remember any anti-EU programs in Polish public TV or mainstream private media like Polsat or TVN. This is already became comical, I watch little TV but every time I do what I see? Nearly every commercial break in these TV stations is filled with pro-EU advert, the message is that thanks to their cash Poland will become Eldorado. Recently I noticed these spots even on "Extreme Sport" channel that probably few people watch. This propaganda campaign cost fortune and is financed by money from European taxpayers, no matter what they think about the EU. Both in Russia and the EU people opposed to these regimes can communicate via small media outlets not subsidized by the EU. This is clearly a tie between both regimes on this issue.

News / Do Polish people feel there is a danger of communism growing stong again? [69]


Obviously you are right. Still this "call" is only eristic trick, they don't care about public opinion just realize policies planned long time ago.


This is not military alliance. Average citizen in the EU knows little about this organization. They will provide him only "what he does need to know" according to them. My advice is to take a look on this part "what he doesn't need to know".

News / Do Polish people feel there is a danger of communism growing stong again? [69]

This is not only about Poland. Majority of people are hardly interested does not matter which political system. Still many such ignorants vote in elections. Thus all populism coming from political parties is directed at this group of voters.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


Franco and Hitler discussed in 1940.
Hitler invaded SU in 1941.
The US entered the war after Pearl Harbor in 1941.

So nothing was sure, Hitler was a pall of Stalin after they carved Poland together. The US did not participate. Hitler could invade Spain to gain control over Gibraltar instead attacking the SU. Who would expect that he will turn against Stalin at that time? Stalin himself was shocked. Franco needed to seriously consider such eventuality when he refused.

The way how the Spanish negotiators played at this meeting with Hitler could tell us that they have the answer ready from the start and just needed to deliver it to Hitler. Franco needed to refuse acting in such way to not offend Hitler too much.

Thus this discussion is just a speculation that cannot be verified by empirical evidence. You cannot claim something and not provide evidence to back your position.


But possibly gave him a momentum when he needed.

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]


This is bad solution, because you need to employ many bureaucrats around the world to verify how long those people live aboard. Simply those with Polish citizenship should be allowed to vote. Anyway, they could hardly change the results significantly.


Because PO makes the difference! :)

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]

In my opinion even long-time emigrant who visit Poland from time to time but regularly follow situation in Poland, reading much about it might vote wiser than a lot of Poles, those who are little interested but vote because this is "patriotic thing to do". No matter whether you are emigrant or living in Poland, if you have no clue about politics then your "patriotic things to do" is to stay out. Political parties think otherwise, because ignorant voters consist always the largest share of their electorate.

Sadek thinks probably that 20 millions of Polonia have Polish citizenship and may influence the elections... If PO voters like him dislike Polonia so much, vote for UPR. Pure and simple. :)

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]


Why, they are all the same. They are realizing exactly the same policy.

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]

Of course LPR are not any Nazis. Recently they had even better voting record than PO, laughable. According to the Polish Chamber of Commerce.

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]


Without 'GW' commentary:


Your statement suggest somehow that the current parliament doing something.

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]


Source?

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]


If somebody claim so, evidence is needed.


Neighbors are different matter.


Even if this is true, then you know what happened in one church. Your answer proofing that you have no evidence to back your statement.

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]

They church tell the people to vote for unspecified parties which are not in collision with Catholic teaching. They have the full right to do so.


This is not true. Stanisław Michalkiewicz, member of the only liberal party in Poland (UPR) has audition even in Radio Maryja which don't represent church's mainstream after all.

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]


You are not Polish and clearly don't understand situation in this country and have not evidence to back your claim. Same fact that you associate PO victory to be evidence of lack of Catholicism in Poland expose your lack of understanding of broad structure of electorate of this party.


So you are saying that Michalkiewicz is not liberal or that he have not audition in RM?


So you forbid the church to spread Christian teaching?


What a hypocrisy from your side...

Life / Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia? [98]


Former president of UPR party. He wrote also articles for Toronto's Goniecnewspaper.

michalkiewicz.pl


You may live in Poland but I judge your knowledge by you post here. You clearly don't understand Polish politics.


Neither myself or PiS party are nationalist. Also I have no sympathy to PiS, your judgment is entirely wrong.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


Instead repeating previously raised and overthrew argument, you could read this thread from beginning and then eventually comment other posters comments.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


So you need to do it again, because apparently you were not careful. You cannot expect that posters will repeat already discussed issues, because you joined to this thread when discussion was practically over. If you raise new argument then of course we can discuss.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


What this has to do with civil war or his dictatorship?


What do you mean in particular?


As I wrote before Republicans killed many priests, add profanation about 400 churches and anarchy in whole country in general. Of course the church was glad that somebody at last ended this insanity. Later people from Catholic movement Opus Dei successfully reformed Spanish economy, I provided proper statistics before. After Vaticanum II church and ultramontane Opus Dei changed the line and back-stabbed Franco, campaigning for democracy. This was one of the crucial reasons why when Franco passed away Spain changed political system without much of opposition.


Any details?


Why don't you quote and try to overthrow some certain argument (of mine for example) instead posting usual left-wing mantra?

History / Russian compensation [16]


Some Russians are OK, especially girls. ;)