Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Yes, that's very true. At times, I have trained myself not to notice the hot Polish girl-loser guy phenomenon for the sake of staying positive. At other times I may have tried to convince myself that perhaps there was more to it than meets the eye or that I'm being over judgemental. But now with so many guys agreeing on this, either there is some sort of conspiracy or there must be some truth to this.


Well done, you can actually something in a foreign language.....that makes two foreign languages including Essex girl dialect ;)

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Yes, there must be some expanation. Obviously, certain types of guys by the way they look, dress, speak etc. are sending out certain signals which don't sit well with Polish girls. The same attributes send out totally different signals to other girls.

Personally, I think the 'easy girl' label may have something to do with it. Polish girls are so afraid of being labelled 'easy' and they tend to perceive a handsome, confident, well-to-do guy as someone who is picking up lots of women. Being with such a guy might make them think 'Eeeeek, everyone will think I'm easy' or 'If I go out with this guy it means I am easy'. So they are more comfortable dating a less appealing guy. Which, of course, is quite absurd, because that in fact makes them easy for certain types of guys who don't normally get much action elsewhere - which is a lot of guys.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


You dumb down as others have said. Keep it simple, don't appear too intellectual, don't let them think your are successful in business etc. (even if you are). From my experience in Poland, the guys who are themselves simple have been the most successful.

I laugh when I see on the Internet companies setting up Polish branches of seduction schools whose methods were developed in the west. The best 'technique' is no technique.

Personally, though, when I'm 'in the field' I have to make jokes and tease the girl but that's rather to entertain myself, so that I don't get too bored. However, I sometimes get the impression that I could achieve the same result or even better by cutting out the personality.


That's very rare :) Though you might hear them say that in a self-pitying kind of way.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


You are not saying anything with these comments. This is a discussion. The topic might not be of global importance, but it's still a discussion. So try to make a proper contribution instead of insulting everyone whose opinions you don't agree with.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]

OK, I missed that. Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious. I haven't heard anyone really contradict this observation.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


This is simply incorrect. There are actually plenty of foreign guys in Poland with similar opinions, admittedly guys of southern European descent tend to be the most vocal about this.

I expect girls on the forum probably think these opinions are fuelled by our bitterness and frustration. And while it true that guys who continuously voice negative opinions about women tend to be driven by bitterness on some level, that does not mean that there is no truth to those opinions.

Do you really think that we have separately come up with the same 'random' observations? Come on, man, if there is a pattern there must be something to it.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


The point I was making was why have we made this particular observation (irrespective of whatever underlying feelings/motives you believe we have)? Why not, for example, 'pretty Polish girls only are interested in rich guys' or 'pretty Polish girls are only interested in very handsome guys' or 'pretty Polish girls only go for guys with long hair'...why? because those things are not true.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Why are they retarded? You have been saying nothing, only dishing out insults. If you think the topic is dumb, don't contribute. If you disagree with the opinions, then explain. Who are these MOST Polish women? How much time have you spent in Poland? Sounds like you are making this up to me.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]

Actually, I've seen more handsome Polish guys who seem to have stuff going for them with unattractive girls and more unappealing Polish guys with very attractive girls.

This is one thing I don't quite get about the culture. If I was a Polish guy, seeing all these attractive girls around me who give little importance to a guy's looks and other obvious outward signs of coolness, I would not want to end up with an average or below average girl, knowing that theoretically I have the same chance as everyone else. Yet it's strange, everyone gets to hook up with everyone and I rarely observe any signs of envy or dissatisfaction among the guys with the less attractive girls. There is a certain harmony in the Polish dating society.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


The first two lines of that post seemed like an attempt at making a constructive contribution, the rest just nonsense assumptions. For your information, I can pick up a lot more girls than I get because I'm not looking to get laid with as many village girls as possible, despite what impression you might get. I've been through that and I know that game well - I had more than some, not as many as others, but enough to teach me what type of girl I should be going for and, more importantly, what type of girl I shouldn't. I don't believe in rehearsing lines/routines etc., I'd rather be myself...I was just giving examples before of what type of stuff works.

I do, however, think that the dating scene in Poland works in very weird ways and makes interesting discussion. You say there are mis-matches all over the world, but in previous posts you have gone on and on about how any loser from England can hook up with a Polish girl in the UK. You are contradicting yourself.

Again, it comes back to the same question....why do we focus on the mis-match thing in Poland (and the Slavic region in general, I guess)? Why don't you hear of this elsewhere. Many Italians in Italy are very bitter about their women, and a lot of them end up in Poland. Their main gripe is that good-looking Italian women are only interested in money or fame. An exagerration perhaps. But you don't hear of them complaining about their women's (lack of) taste in men, though. But why the mis-match thing in Poland? Could it be because there might be some truth to it?

And I don't think it's always such a bad thing: Luke's stories about the disabled guys - well, I also feel happy for those guys. In those cases, it's great there are places like Poland. However, as southern says, there are also loads of guys who are totally undeserving of the attention.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


They pay attention, but they don't give it too much importance. Unless you mean that they pay attention to bad looks ;) I've seen really good-looking guys walk into a bar in Krakow (which is quite rare) and not a single head would turn. In England, the girls would be like "Whoaa, he's fitttt!" As I wrote above, this in principle is a good thing for men in general - but if a guy is also a loser, obviously lying about his background, etc. (e.g. those African guys in Krakow who pretend to be from Jamaica or UK) then it makes your stomach churn a bit.


Oh man, I don't know where you were in Ukraine....but in one particular disco in Lviv, I remember seeing some rather shocking mismatches. Pretty local girls with really cheesy, overly-horny guys, I'd say probably from Turkey, whose style appeared to date back to the Michael Jackson Thriller era. I don't know if they were dating, but the fact that the girls were giving them the time of day was bad enough. Worse than in Poland for sure.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


I've been there about six or seven times I guess over the last 2-3 years. I know the place quite well and the clubs (well, there aren't that many of them). I can say that Ukrainians are in some ways more clueless than Polish girls, but in other ways they are smart: money seems to rule, and many girls are good at using their looks to get what they want from foreigners - drinks, a place to stay in the centre of town, etc. Basically they behave in the dodgy ways that a lot of Polish girls would 8 years ago. However, I'm sure that's not the case with all Ukrainians. I've also met girls who claim to be ashamed of this kind of behaviour and assured me that it doesn't represent all Ukrainian girls.


Of course that is true, but they were actually taking these clowns seriously! Even Polish girls would have laughed them out of the club.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Well, I know the Polish culture better and I speak the language so I'm more comfortable in Poland. Things are more unpredictable in Ukraine. I think if you lived in the country, you'd probably be able to find a very attractive girlfriend...or two..more easily. But if you're there for a week and you're looking to get laid, I'd say you need to be lucky. Girls over there seem more concerned money and comfort than sex. If you have a place in the centre of town, a pretty girl might come back with you for your location, or for some other thing you have to offer, but it doesn't necessarily mean she'll go all the way. So in answer to your question, I think not, if you have one week to spend in each country.

But then again, I've only been to Lviv, Kiev (3 nights) and Chernivtsvi (1 night). I don't know the place well enough.


I think we have established that it's not only about looks but other factors too like style in general, personality (lack of confidence, etc.), apparent brain power, social status etc.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


I didn't know how to arrange that. I usually stayed in a hostel, so it wasn't really possible to invite guests, though last time I did pay for a room in motel which was very decent quality (large, comfortable bed, TV, modern shower) and it was cheap...plus you don't need a passport/ID so you can bring back a girl from a club without any hassles. Only found out about this place on my last visit unfortunately. It would have saved me money in bribes for hotel night porters :))


Where was this?

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Well if you spend the whole time hunting, I guess it could be enough. Still, you need to be a bit lucky I think: some of my visits to Lviv have been disasters from that point of view - sh*tty rainy weather, very few attractive girls in sight. Sometimes there are so many of them, sometimes there's just nothing much around.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


That's true. But sometimes the environment just doesn't help.

Actually, I've found that Ukrainian girls as just as attractive or even more so, especially in Kiev. As I said, you need to be lucky. A friend of mine hated Lviv - said there was no good quality girls, but he was blown away by Kiev. In general, though, the average girl on the street in Ukraine is quite attractive, more than girls in say Moldova. But in Moldovian clubs, they seem to be much hotter than in Poland and Ukraine.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Next time you are in Lviv, visit club Metro, especially the R n B floor. You will see exagerrated versions of all the 'low life' characters you have been describing (the rapper-style African guys, dodgy Turkish guys etc.) with pretty Ukrainian girls. As I said, it's not always easy to tell who's dating and who is being used for drinks, etc. but the girls are very comfortable in such company.

I had one very hot blond sitting on my lap there once, then some African guy walked by, and she got all excited, saying "It's Snoop Doggy Dog, 50Cent" etc. and started flirting with him. I get the impression you would not have approved :)

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


I can relate to that. Even 2001-2003, I would say were the last years of the golden era. I wasn't in Poland before that time but during those years I felt at times I was living on an adult comedy movie set, all the crazy stuff that went on.


I did notice a little as far back as in 2001 but it was easier to justify back then...I came across characters who would have had a very hard time scoring in England, but I put it down to the Polish fascination with anything foreign and the perception of foreigners as having money. Of course, times have changed, Poles are richer and better travelled, so it's not easy to justify anymore.

Also, I think there were fewer losers around at that time - it wasn't so cheap or easy to enter the country so there were fewer foreigners and Polish society was less segregated than it is now so the differences between people in terms of wealth, style etc. were less noticeable.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Very true. Those cheap airlines ruined it. And the type of loser-tourists that they brought over, mostly needy and desperate, certainly contributed to the local girls' 'delusion'.


Yes, I remember that. No stag parties, no hordes of drunken Brits...the first wave included more cultured guys who kept their desires in check instead of going around grabbing, groping and giving out undeserved compliments to boring girls left right and centre. There was a certain harmony at that time. The average Polish girl somehow also seemed smarter. I'm not quite sure why. Probably, as you say, they were receptive to cool guys and also there was more competition among them.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


This is a slightly more reasoned attempt at refuting our opinions. However, it does not hold up because I've heard the same comments about mismatches from lots of women too, who have no reason to be obsessed by it. And to quote a Polish girl who I had coffee with a few weeks ago: "When I'm abroad I can recognise other Polish girls by looking at their boyfriends."

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


I think I know what he means. The average Polish guy seems to be a bit on the soft side when it comes to dating. Typical examples of this behaviour are: letting the girlfriend lead him everywhere when they are out, getting jealous and angry very easily, incapable of seeing fault in his girlfriend when she flirts with other men (and getting angry at those men instead)....basically kissing up to his gf all the time

These traits are not attractive to Western women. Many Polish girls seem to like it though. Of course, I'm not including every Polish guy in this category, and there are also macho types and 'tough guys' who may not exhibit at least a few of these 'wuss like' insecure behaviour patterns. So I'd agree with Luke on this one.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Yes, that's interesting. Perhaps because of the excitement and fun of having all the attention, you just didn't care. I didn't pay too much attention either in 2001-2002, though as you say strange things would happen.

For example, I remember meeting a decent-looking girl in a club and we ended up dancing, kissing etc. I went to the toilet and came back to find her talking to some local guy who looked very below average to me in terms of looks, style, etc. so I assumed they are just friends. I wasn't concerned at all. Then later on they ended up snogging. I was very surprised but not upset or anything, since at that time there were plenty of other free girls around. However, when I arrived back at my flat that night, I got a phone call from the girl saying "Why did you leave?" etc. and explaining to me that the guy was only 'a friend'.


North Korea? LOL

Love / What is your opinion on the Polish Ladies in Krakow? [82]

aymi

There are no differences in looks between Polish girls in different cities in Poland and it's silly to compare. There are only differences in style, e.g. you can find more stylish girls in Warsaw and less stylish girls in the small towns. There are also differences in numbers, which creates the impression.

I'd say that Krakow girls are more deluded than girls in other towns due to all the desperate, needy, loser tourists kissing their butts all the time. However, they are still Polish and therefore still friendly.

As for lying, cheating, juggling men, etc. I put that down to lack of taste in men / poor quality of their boyfriends....which has been discussed extensively in other threads.

Love / What is your opinion on the Polish Ladies in Krakow? [82]

southern

The perceived differences are due to the economics of the region. Katowice is an industrial city so there are mainly Silesean locals. Krakow is a student city and attracts people from different parts of the country, including the above mentioned cities. Comparing Krakowian girls (born and raised) and girls from other places I have not been able to tell any difference in 'raw' looks. Only in style, e.g. perhaps the average girl from Krakow looks after herself a bit better than the average Silesian girl.

However, because of all the tourists kissing up, they tend to think they are better. IMO, the most underrated city in Poland as far as women are concerned is Warsaw. There you can find more good-looking women and they have more respect for foreigners than everywhere else, since foreigners in Warsaw tend to be perceived as businessmen rather than drunken tourists.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]

LukeXX

A little harsh perhaps...but you do raise some points. I definitely do not believe they are the most beautiful in the world, especially after hearing travellers' stories of girls in Russia, Latvia, and some South American countries perhaps.

The word 'beautiful' is a word I'd use to describe a girl with natural good looks, e.g. large exotic eyes, a well-structured face, a naturally curvaceous body, etc. The word 'pretty' is definitely more fitting to Polish girls in general.

The 'explode in your face' syndrome - a bit of a hardcore description but yes, I'm familiar with that. On an episode of the sitcom Seinfeld I believe the term 'a two-face' was used. I've also come across the word 'scud'.

And, yep, meeting club girls in the daytime is a disappointment more often that not.

It also depends on the day. Today in Krakow, I've seen a few hot girls, but on other days they seem to be in hibernation.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


I seriously doubt that you mean what you say. I've known some very good players in my time..much better than me at this game (and I'm pretty damn sure on a higher level than you), yet I haven't known anyone who gets regular guaranteed one night stands with hot girls with the kind of ease you are talking about, even in Poland. If your definition of a hot girl is the same as mine, that would make you a professional in this field. But if I was a betting man, I'd bet money that a hot girl is not going to end up getting sh@gged on your motorcycle at the end of September.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


Very true. That point I have made in several posts. They are not naturally stunning. They have rather plain-pretty looks. Slim, yes, but not too curvy, on average prettier than most other places. But I haven't come across any with the same stunning or expressive looks of certain Hollywood actresses or with the drop-dead gorgeous looks of top models/actresses from other countries.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


Well, you make it out to be easier than it is. And you are saying that because you probably don't get it that much, whether you say you are looking for it or not. It's very convenient for you to say you don't go out to get laid.

What you are describing may have been the case in Poland 8 years ago, or in mediterranean summer beach resorts full of drunken English girls now...but then again you are talking about hot women....and I have not met anyone who can get laid that easily with hot girls the same night/day, no matter how much charm he may have, and I've known some very successful guys. It takes more than charm...you have to get past a woman's defenses and deal with other eventualities (friends, etc.), which can be tricky business. Plus you have to find a girl who is receptive to one-night-stands.

Sure, some nights you get 'lucky', other nights not. But anyway, you are talking about hot girls and as far as Poland is concerned, I rarely see a foreigner with a hot Polish girl (what I would call 'hot' - probably I've been spoilt). Almost never. The Polish guys seem to have snapped them up. So what you are saying is nonsense man, I'm sorry.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]

That depends on how you define hot. I've been living in Poland for 8 years. I wouldn't describe the average Polish girl I see as 'hot'. I might label her 'not bad', 'shaggable', 'all right', etc. Probably if I was living in Greece, England or wherever, I'd call her 'hot'. This may just be a question of calibration of scales. Anyway, In Poland the best (and worst) looking girls are with Polish guys. That's a fact, ask any foreigner in Poland.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


I have never been to Sweden, but if that's really how things are over there, looks like it may be worth a visit ;) Anyway, I heard that Swedish girls have less hang-ups about sleeping with strangers than most other nationalities, and one experience I had with a Swedish girl certainly seemed to confirm this.