Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]

So why do the so-called 'boyfriends' get angry, jealous, insecure, etc.? If they had so many women, they wouldn't look so insecure and unconfident with their girlfriends. They would be more relaxed. I don't believe this. I've known girls and I've heard many stories of girls with more than one boyfriend. But at least one of her men believes that he is her exclusive boyfriend and thinks he is in love, etc. Those girls usually have one guy of this type, which they call their 'boyfriend'.

I knew a girl once who used to laugh about how naive her boyfriend was. Well, he wasn't her boyfriend for long.

I also know some Polish players who shag more than most Polish guys - but they do not have that many lovers, except for one guy who has threesomes with different girls every week with his bisexual girlfriend.

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


You have to spend enough time in Poland to properly observe the male-female dynamic.

Yes, there are Polish guys who do the same, but from my observations it happens more frequently among the girls since they have more opportunities to shag when they are abroad. Not too many Polish guys get to shag western girls - that is a fact. A few do of course - a Polish guy I got to know once told me he found it easy to shag English girls in England, but he had to pretend he was from Denmark for some reason.

Look, next time you are in a night club in Poland, just observe. A Greek friend of mine was shocked to see so many guys being led everywhere by the hand of their girlfriends and looking so unconfident with them.

I remember one time in a club, a pretty girl smiled at me and I went to talk to her. We started flirting a bit, then a guy came, who turned out to be her husband, and began to pick a fight with me. The club bouncers broke us up. I saw the same girl again later, but, after quite a few more cheap Polish beers, I thought she was someone else. I chatted her up, she was friendly, and as you can imagine the husband came at me again. Later he apologized, saying "I'm sorry, she is my wife, I am very jealous" etc. So I said to him "Wtf, so give her a slap or something, not me. This is a night club. It's her problem and yours."

I say the balance of power is in the girls' favour overall....but of course there are also a few players among Polish guys.


Almost everyone has a girlfriend or boyfriend. And if they are single, they are not single for long. This is strange. Even the people you least expect to have partners. Everyone hooks up.

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


For all the 'faithful' Polish guys on this forum in long distance relationships...that probably includes your girlfriends too ;)

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


They kiss up in a different way. Sure, they don't act as horny as western guys in front of girls in clubs/on the street etc., there heads don't swivel on their necks so much, and overall they seem to pay less attention to girls.....BUT.......

WHEN they are in a relationship with a girl they often turn into soft putty. Examples of this behaviour: they let the women lead all the time, they get angry and jealous frequently,...the overall body language conveys the message "you are too good for me". I find the average guy to be insecure around his girlfriend and I see how this behaviour is exploited by girls. Those are my observations, and conversations I've had with Polish girls seem to confirm this.

For foreigners in Poland, guys like you and me, it seems to be the reverse: we tend to pay more attention to girls and may get a bit more nervous or horny around them, but when we start to sleep with the girl we become much more laid-back and relaxed.


Yes, you have a point here. Polish guys tend to keep a lower profile. But, as I wrote above, this seems to change when they are in a relationship with the girl. Of course, some Polish guys are players and probably you have been observing that type of guy.

Love / Polish Girls Reputation [231]


More self-contradicting nonsense from you.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


I left you alone before because I thought you were Polish...now I see that you claim not to be despite apparently taking all my comments personally. That's makes you an even bigger kiss-up artist. I am not going to divulge personal details. Let's just say I have a lot more to offer than the average guy on the street on Krakow (though whether that helps or not has been debated in previous threads).


Man, enough of this. Your previous posts were funny, analytical and hardcore...reading them gave me much pleasure. Have you ejaculated already? ;)


YAWNNNN!

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]

Look, you seem to have a 'hard-on' for me. Probably something I wrote in a previous post touched a raw nerve. So just get it out, will you? We're already off topic here.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


Sounds like you need to have a few more encounters with Polish women before making such generalisations. My observations are based on meeting/watching 1000s of them over 8 years in Poland. However, credit to you for not kissing up.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


What are you implying here? that Polish girls are perfect angels, perfect in the looks, personality and every other department and that only bitter twisted men can see any fault in them?

Personally, I don't like to jump on the bandwagon and kiss ass, especially if I smell bullsh1t. Seeing that kind of brown-nosing behaviour on this forum just provokes me.

As for your 'failed encounters' comments - if a charmless guy with nothing going for him complained to me non-stop about girls, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But as someone who came to Poland before the EU expansion, I have witnessed a general 'slow down' of success among decent foreign guys, and I put this down to external rather than internal factors: the EU expansion, the introduction of cheap flights and the invasion of needy, desperate foreigners, and, call me a bitter twisted b*stard for saying this: the general lack of ability among many Polish girls to discern a cool guy (or perhaps conscious bad selection, as has been discussed in other threads). However, it's still very good here as far as dating is concerned I won't deny that.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


well, that wasn't my quote...but what the heck.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


Well, I have posted plenty of stuff about Polish girls' personality (or lack of it as the case may be). Perhaps I'll start a new thread on this soon.

As for men's shallowness, you are clearly encouraging us to be shallow. Why the sexy avatar pic, for example? (but don't swap with SeanBM please :))

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


This sounds a little too idealistic, sir. While no doubt there are plenty of decent people like you describe (I fully respect the Polish people I work with, for example), there is a rather prominent element of young Polish society whose behaviour these threads are mostly about.

Well then, I must be wrong. ;)

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]

Well I honestly don't give a hoot about your nonsense assumptions. I have already admitted that Polish girls are on average prettier than elsewhere. I'm just saying there are few really stunning beauties like you occassionally see in England, France, Italy etc. That's my taste (probably not only mine) and what I consider stunning - I like the classy glamourous woman look, not the simple village look (which can be pretty, but not gorgeous). So give me a break will you? You should be happy that I'm 'bigging up' English girls.


Ha ha...very true


That's why in the golden era, when foreigners were a greater catch, we were getting threatened and attacked more often.


That is a contradiction in terms. But let's leave this side topic alone. It's getting boring.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


I have never been to Sweden, but if that's really how things are over there, looks like it may be worth a visit ;) Anyway, I heard that Swedish girls have less hang-ups about sleeping with strangers than most other nationalities, and one experience I had with a Swedish girl certainly seemed to confirm this.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]

That depends on how you define hot. I've been living in Poland for 8 years. I wouldn't describe the average Polish girl I see as 'hot'. I might label her 'not bad', 'shaggable', 'all right', etc. Probably if I was living in Greece, England or wherever, I'd call her 'hot'. This may just be a question of calibration of scales. Anyway, In Poland the best (and worst) looking girls are with Polish guys. That's a fact, ask any foreigner in Poland.

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Well, you make it out to be easier than it is. And you are saying that because you probably don't get it that much, whether you say you are looking for it or not. It's very convenient for you to say you don't go out to get laid.

What you are describing may have been the case in Poland 8 years ago, or in mediterranean summer beach resorts full of drunken English girls now...but then again you are talking about hot women....and I have not met anyone who can get laid that easily with hot girls the same night/day, no matter how much charm he may have, and I've known some very successful guys. It takes more than charm...you have to get past a woman's defenses and deal with other eventualities (friends, etc.), which can be tricky business. Plus you have to find a girl who is receptive to one-night-stands.

Sure, some nights you get 'lucky', other nights not. But anyway, you are talking about hot girls and as far as Poland is concerned, I rarely see a foreigner with a hot Polish girl (what I would call 'hot' - probably I've been spoilt). Almost never. The Polish guys seem to have snapped them up. So what you are saying is nonsense man, I'm sorry.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


Very true. That point I have made in several posts. They are not naturally stunning. They have rather plain-pretty looks. Slim, yes, but not too curvy, on average prettier than most other places. But I haven't come across any with the same stunning or expressive looks of certain Hollywood actresses or with the drop-dead gorgeous looks of top models/actresses from other countries.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


I seriously doubt that you mean what you say. I've known some very good players in my time..much better than me at this game (and I'm pretty damn sure on a higher level than you), yet I haven't known anyone who gets regular guaranteed one night stands with hot girls with the kind of ease you are talking about, even in Poland. If your definition of a hot girl is the same as mine, that would make you a professional in this field. But if I was a betting man, I'd bet money that a hot girl is not going to end up getting sh@gged on your motorcycle at the end of September.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]

LukeXX

A little harsh perhaps...but you do raise some points. I definitely do not believe they are the most beautiful in the world, especially after hearing travellers' stories of girls in Russia, Latvia, and some South American countries perhaps.

The word 'beautiful' is a word I'd use to describe a girl with natural good looks, e.g. large exotic eyes, a well-structured face, a naturally curvaceous body, etc. The word 'pretty' is definitely more fitting to Polish girls in general.

The 'explode in your face' syndrome - a bit of a hardcore description but yes, I'm familiar with that. On an episode of the sitcom Seinfeld I believe the term 'a two-face' was used. I've also come across the word 'scud'.

And, yep, meeting club girls in the daytime is a disappointment more often that not.

It also depends on the day. Today in Krakow, I've seen a few hot girls, but on other days they seem to be in hibernation.

Love / What is your opinion on the Polish Ladies in Krakow? [82]

southern

The perceived differences are due to the economics of the region. Katowice is an industrial city so there are mainly Silesean locals. Krakow is a student city and attracts people from different parts of the country, including the above mentioned cities. Comparing Krakowian girls (born and raised) and girls from other places I have not been able to tell any difference in 'raw' looks. Only in style, e.g. perhaps the average girl from Krakow looks after herself a bit better than the average Silesian girl.

However, because of all the tourists kissing up, they tend to think they are better. IMO, the most underrated city in Poland as far as women are concerned is Warsaw. There you can find more good-looking women and they have more respect for foreigners than everywhere else, since foreigners in Warsaw tend to be perceived as businessmen rather than drunken tourists.

Love / What is your opinion on the Polish Ladies in Krakow? [82]

aymi

There are no differences in looks between Polish girls in different cities in Poland and it's silly to compare. There are only differences in style, e.g. you can find more stylish girls in Warsaw and less stylish girls in the small towns. There are also differences in numbers, which creates the impression.

I'd say that Krakow girls are more deluded than girls in other towns due to all the desperate, needy, loser tourists kissing their butts all the time. However, they are still Polish and therefore still friendly.

As for lying, cheating, juggling men, etc. I put that down to lack of taste in men / poor quality of their boyfriends....which has been discussed extensively in other threads.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Yes, that's interesting. Perhaps because of the excitement and fun of having all the attention, you just didn't care. I didn't pay too much attention either in 2001-2002, though as you say strange things would happen.

For example, I remember meeting a decent-looking girl in a club and we ended up dancing, kissing etc. I went to the toilet and came back to find her talking to some local guy who looked very below average to me in terms of looks, style, etc. so I assumed they are just friends. I wasn't concerned at all. Then later on they ended up snogging. I was very surprised but not upset or anything, since at that time there were plenty of other free girls around. However, when I arrived back at my flat that night, I got a phone call from the girl saying "Why did you leave?" etc. and explaining to me that the guy was only 'a friend'.


North Korea? LOL

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


I think I know what he means. The average Polish guy seems to be a bit on the soft side when it comes to dating. Typical examples of this behaviour are: letting the girlfriend lead him everywhere when they are out, getting jealous and angry very easily, incapable of seeing fault in his girlfriend when she flirts with other men (and getting angry at those men instead)....basically kissing up to his gf all the time

These traits are not attractive to Western women. Many Polish girls seem to like it though. Of course, I'm not including every Polish guy in this category, and there are also macho types and 'tough guys' who may not exhibit at least a few of these 'wuss like' insecure behaviour patterns. So I'd agree with Luke on this one.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


This is a slightly more reasoned attempt at refuting our opinions. However, it does not hold up because I've heard the same comments about mismatches from lots of women too, who have no reason to be obsessed by it. And to quote a Polish girl who I had coffee with a few weeks ago: "When I'm abroad I can recognise other Polish girls by looking at their boyfriends."

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Very true. Those cheap airlines ruined it. And the type of loser-tourists that they brought over, mostly needy and desperate, certainly contributed to the local girls' 'delusion'.


Yes, I remember that. No stag parties, no hordes of drunken Brits...the first wave included more cultured guys who kept their desires in check instead of going around grabbing, groping and giving out undeserved compliments to boring girls left right and centre. There was a certain harmony at that time. The average Polish girl somehow also seemed smarter. I'm not quite sure why. Probably, as you say, they were receptive to cool guys and also there was more competition among them.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


I can relate to that. Even 2001-2003, I would say were the last years of the golden era. I wasn't in Poland before that time but during those years I felt at times I was living on an adult comedy movie set, all the crazy stuff that went on.


I did notice a little as far back as in 2001 but it was easier to justify back then...I came across characters who would have had a very hard time scoring in England, but I put it down to the Polish fascination with anything foreign and the perception of foreigners as having money. Of course, times have changed, Poles are richer and better travelled, so it's not easy to justify anymore.

Also, I think there were fewer losers around at that time - it wasn't so cheap or easy to enter the country so there were fewer foreigners and Polish society was less segregated than it is now so the differences between people in terms of wealth, style etc. were less noticeable.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Next time you are in Lviv, visit club Metro, especially the R n B floor. You will see exagerrated versions of all the 'low life' characters you have been describing (the rapper-style African guys, dodgy Turkish guys etc.) with pretty Ukrainian girls. As I said, it's not always easy to tell who's dating and who is being used for drinks, etc. but the girls are very comfortable in such company.

I had one very hot blond sitting on my lap there once, then some African guy walked by, and she got all excited, saying "It's Snoop Doggy Dog, 50Cent" etc. and started flirting with him. I get the impression you would not have approved :)

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


That's true. But sometimes the environment just doesn't help.

Actually, I've found that Ukrainian girls as just as attractive or even more so, especially in Kiev. As I said, you need to be lucky. A friend of mine hated Lviv - said there was no good quality girls, but he was blown away by Kiev. In general, though, the average girl on the street in Ukraine is quite attractive, more than girls in say Moldova. But in Moldovian clubs, they seem to be much hotter than in Poland and Ukraine.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Well if you spend the whole time hunting, I guess it could be enough. Still, you need to be a bit lucky I think: some of my visits to Lviv have been disasters from that point of view - sh*tty rainy weather, very few attractive girls in sight. Sometimes there are so many of them, sometimes there's just nothing much around.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


I didn't know how to arrange that. I usually stayed in a hostel, so it wasn't really possible to invite guests, though last time I did pay for a room in motel which was very decent quality (large, comfortable bed, TV, modern shower) and it was cheap...plus you don't need a passport/ID so you can bring back a girl from a club without any hassles. Only found out about this place on my last visit unfortunately. It would have saved me money in bribes for hotel night porters :))


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