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I am familiar with negative historic role of Russia in that region but I don’t understand necessity that country which depend on Russian gas and have numerous Russian population trying to humiliate Russia. It’s against economic logic and tells me that must be something else (something behind that) in their decision to insult Russia. That isn’t necessary, it’s not wise and it’s not move in direction of good neighboring relations.

Russia is in defensive on all `fronts`. It is NATO who act like big boss and trying to encircle Russia. They push, push and push them and that`s not good. Pressure is too high and all regions which could be first affected are Slavic countries.

So, I say that it is good that Slovakia supported Russia over that issue. Situation must be relaxed so that Russians don’t feel like in the trap.

BDW, I also heard today that Serbian foreign ministry also reacted in the similar manner as Slovakia. I am glad that Serbian officials still can arise their heads, no matter on all NATO monitors.

Grzegorz, daffy

I suggest you to try to analyze things from different angle.

Look what happened to Yugoslavia, to Serbia (before Milosevic, during him and after Milosevic). Where is Serbian sovereignty? We are practically protectorate. We don’t want to join to NATO but, they force us on that. There are speculations that Kosovo can stay in Serbia if Serbia join to EU and NATO, etc.

When comes to Serbian question: NATO openly cooperate with mujaheedines, support extreme Croatian ustashe, first support Milosevic then put him in jail and kill him, dispute democratic processes in Serbia, support Albanin secessionism (drug smuggling, vehaby Islmists, Al Queada and mujaheedines), thousands of Serbs was killed in front of NATO soldiers in Srebrenica, about 500.000 Albanins was settled on Kosovo and Metohia from Albania after occupation, mujaheedines were settled in Bosnia in regions from where NATO/Muslim/Ustashe pushed Serbs- in the name of Christ, economic sanctions, blocade, enormous anti-Serbian propaganda histeria, etc.

I say that Russia gave chance to NATO but NATO used that chance to encircle and humiliate Russia, to destroy potential Russian allays (Serbs). Even Western analyzers say and criticize that.

Estonia is a sovereign country but look, Estonia is member of NATO. Now their sovereignty belong to NATO and depend (!) on NATO actions too. Expect all possible scenarios and don’t be surprised.

Few more words on this

Poland, Czeska and Slovakia is in similar situation as Estonia (I mean NATO situation). I want to say something on that, to express Serbian attitude.

Poles, you had problems with Russia in past but, please give them a chance in time when cruel people won’t give them a chance but push them on the edge of even nuclear conflict, with that push complete Slavic world in oblivion.

Poles, brothers, be wise, relax situation, don’t let that Germans smile on our agony.

And, for Serbs I telling you Poles, if Russia ever made any aggressive step on Poland, we- Serbs and Russians are brothers no more.

Just, you Poles don’t make mistake and try to go out from that NATO trap, which is treat to complete Slavic world.

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I am not the one who would denied sovereignity of any country (Slavic, or not Slavic) and I agree with your comment.

Just, it`s the NATO (and, Germany) who invented double standards in case with sovereignity. Now, we live in world of dissorder. International order was violeted and now all seem possible.

You see daffy. I can understand your position and your angle but, that won`t change fact that NATO is in the game and that NATO practicly already encircled Russia. They did it to `protect` their interests. Now, expect retaliation. And, again Slavs would be first affected.

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My God, Slavs are so deeply divided that only miracle can unite us.

Lone

...don`t say nothing. I would tell to myself: `Calm down`.

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Woa... that makes them well balanced

he, he

E, ovo mi je ulepšalo dan.

Translation on my Slavicized English... `Eh, this made my day.`

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If there is no problem actualy, politician from all sides should relax things.

It would be quite idiotic that all things go out of control because of position of monument (as, if?), with all due respect.


daffy

We very well know that this all didn`t happened because of monument. No matter on bad Russian image from past, I would stay on position that NATO pushing them too hard.

This comment is my concluion on this.

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No need to say more... I don’t like Putin`s methods

He is great disappointment, on many fields- from democratic principles, to Slavic solidarity, etc

I hope that next Russian president could offer more to Russia and to Slavic world, to this Earth on the end.

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But look how they hurry to warns Russia. They know what are their `obligations`, instead to relax situation. Lives of Slavs and all people in the region are in game. My congrats to Slovakia once more for their attitude.

NATO warns Russia

newsalerts.com/news/article/nato-warns-russia-on-estonia-row.html:worl %20d19:932257

daffy

It scares me how many idiotic persons lead politics on world scene.

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Don’t remind me on that... its, it’s disgusting

...and, it isn`t only nowadays. They did it many times in past

God help Russians that Russia finaly become democratic state.


Amen, Amen, Amen


Poles resisted to Nazis and they can do whatever they want. I like Poles, and that`s plus reason why Poles can do whatever they want if by me and, I expect that Russians even help them to remove any problematic monument from Poland and even to ask them is there anything else what they can correct and, even to build some monument to Poles which died because of Russia`s mistakes and on the end of all process to apologise to Poles for desturbing them...

OK, we speak about Soviet period. Soviets (communists) were even anti-Russians. But, anyway, that what I said can be applied on time before Soviet era.

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It is because Russia is still ruled by traitors of Slavic kind who even cooperate with Slavic foes and behind the scene all of us could be sold, just like in the time of slavery.

But, things would be changed. Slavdom will be awaken!

Slavic OTPOR live!

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It existed and exist in heads of members of one wing of original Serbian OTPOR in time of Milosevic`s dictature and pressure from false West on Serbian people. OTPOR needed to deal with two evil in the same time. Idea still live and there are rumors.

Members of that wing were sure that same danger for democratic evolution of Serbian society represent: left oriented Slobodan Milosevic, selfishness and trechery of Russian elite, German imperialism and USA hegemonism.

Analizing situation in complete Slavic world and around, members of that wing decided that soon will come the day for formation of Slavic OTPOR, exactly on principle- United we stand, divided we fall.

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Nor EU, nor NATO didn`t offer correcet respont on chalanges of modern era and, on problems which are essential for Slavic coutries.

There are rumors which said that Slavs are considered as sub-people from most of Germans, from most of Western Europeans and Americans and that Slavs are humiliated. Things in Russia should be changed, in all Slavic coutries, too.

Slavic OTPOR is inevitable.

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Russia need to be changed. That is priority on the list of Slavic Otpor.


Unfortunately, those are very well known facts.

Things will be changed.


EU support spread of Islam on Balkan, EU colaborate with Al Qaeda on Balkan, EU colaborate with mujaheedines on Balkan, EU supoported creation of Greater Croatia, EU supporting creation of Greater Albania, ...and imagine selfish Russian elite even helped them in some moments and on the other side, Pan-Slavic wing of Russian elite opposed to this situation in some other moments.

Problem is that you never can`t be sure who prevail in Russia in some moment and that way you can`t count on Russians. For that, things should be changed inside of Russia so that Pan-Slavic/pro-Russian democratic elite take control over Russia for good.

I see things different then you daffy, from obvious reasons. My expiriance is different.

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I already said that I don`t support Putin`s methods but, if we want to be honest methods of EU aren`t batter. Fundaments of EU are in ancient Greace and Rome and fundaments of those societies were in slavery of Slavs.

Or, take USA for example. Fundaments of USA are in genocide of whole one race, that is in genocide of native American Indians who are even today considered as sub-people.

I am against double standards. Let`s speak honestly and let we make this world batter.

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But, daffy looks pretty logic to me that Russian pressure on Estonia could represent just bait- you know Putin`s methods (no matter what we think about them or, we can even speak about USA/EU/NATO terrifying methods).

Maybe, Russia want to send message that sovereignty represent universal principle and that Serbia also has right to survive as sovereign country or that Russia has right on sovereignty, etc. Hire, and Estonia and Serbia represent just puppets in game of great powers. It`s not form of support which Serbs expect but, what can we do.

Same way how Estonia getting support from some countries, I expect to see that Serbia get support for her sovereignty. What does it matter who are in EU/NATO. Freedom, independence and sovereignty are universal principles. If EU/NATO blackmail Serbia, in order to force Serbia to become member of those organizations just because Serbs hold strategic region of Western Balkan (important to finally push Russian presents from warm sees), I say- `to hell with EU/NATO, they are monsters if they can’t understand that we can’t support them in their drang nach osten. We can’t, we are responsible last bearers of honest Sarmatian name.`

And, let all Catholic and Protestans Serbs who were scattered already, from Baltik to Balkan, know that they won’t feel shame because of us- Balkan Orthodox Serbs. It is nice to live and died as Serbs and Slavs.

Long live sovereignty!

If EU/NATO/USA wants to restore respect on them they need to return what they taken from Serbs, on one great international conference. That include- restoration of Serb Krajina under Croatian occupation, freedom for Serb Republic in Bosnia which is forced to exist in society with mujaheedines who coming to settle from Arabia, and Kosovo-Metohija must stay integral part of Serbia.

And, of course, we would demand chance for independence of Lusatia. Let people decide on plebiscite about their own future because Lusatian Serbs are native population on their own ground.

Otherwise, Slavic OTPOR is inevitable. Same broom which sweeped Milosevic would sweept those who humiliates Slavs.

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Yes, we agree I know. We want to see different methods for people of this world.

We need universal principles, not double standards. So that Christmas can be real Christmas.

Thanks daffy man- son of Irish tree. Regards from Crow of Scordiscs.

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Damn. If that's how they treated Poles, hate to see what service Orthodox Slavs could get these days.

I heard from my good friend who is in Italy for some time that current situation is very bad and that Slavs, no matter Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox are considered as sub-people.

I visited Italy few times on my way to France and I can tell that people from North of Italy isn't same as people from the South of country. Differences are not only in life stile but, I can say that gypsy-looking Italians from South are all very noisy, blatant ... their physical look is nothing in compare to Slavic, no wonder they envy us in common. But, fact is, in general Italians don't like Slavs. They used to consider us as slaves and that's how it is even today.

Ah yes, there are exceptions in one part of Northern Italy (particularly in Padania and some few more Nortern (!) regions). People from that zone consider that they are of Slaveno-Celtic origin. When I heard that for the first time, I investigated a little for myself. Hire is what I found...

ITALY: NORTHERN LEAGUE TO HOLD INDEPENDENCE CONGRESS IN PADANIA

highbeam.com/doc/1P1-6347280.html

Lega Nord - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord

Molise Serbs

geodatabase.de/Molise%20Serbs

"A History of the Beam Family", by Prof. Jacob L. Beam of Princeton,
published in 1919- Boii tribes

padan.org/padan/contentid-40.html

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daffy

I am also against generalisation but, we realy can speak about mantality in general (when we speak about some ethos).

So, in one hand you are right. On the other side, I understand Grzegorz`s position.

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Hah, Russians would be OK... and, they would be hire in time of our need. I’m sure it’s just that pressure from false West on them and, that transition. They are a little nervous these days.

Relax sisters and brothers!

What we need right now is one good party with gallons of slivovica and orange juice, eventually.

Girl of White Garden, give me that drink that you promised to me and sing, sing for me and let’s dance…

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It`s the poetry, man


A, da. Yes, yes...I going

News / IS LECH KACZYNSKI DOING A GOOD JOB? [43]

Serbs think that evil twins Kaczynski are just little bit less idiots then it was resting in peace now Yeltzin of Russia.

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Warsaw city getting on importance, that’s for sure.

I won’t complaint if in future Slavic Union, Warsaw become Capitol city. That would be natural considering that Polish nobility from period of `Sarmatian schlachta` represented last remain of ruling establishment of once united Slavdom- with that, last core of Sarmatia Europae and Sarmatia Asiatica.

Also, Serbs of Upper and Lower Lusatia point on Warsaw (and sometimes on Prague- on internet forums where Lusatian, Molise and Balkan Serbs communicate between each others) as future Capitol city of possible Slavic Union. If they wish that, then we can say that all Serbs of Slavdom reached consensus on this. So, we- Balkan Serbs would use all our influence on Russians that they also accept that. Russians are brothers and they would respond positively, I am sure. Rivalry between Russia and Poland weakened complete Slavic world. It must end, we have a lot of to do- together.

Warsaw, Capitol of Democratic Slavic Union- that sounds good to me.

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Uh, uh, you exaggerate man.

Anyway, Slavdom is in deep sh**, that’s fact. I’m aware of it.

But dream about Slavia still live.

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Modern Panslavism is just one form of fight for rights of Slavs. If Slavic OTPOR become reality it will still be just political movement.

I belong to people who would suggest that we do even more than that. I suggest ultimate respon on situation and that is unity of Slavs thru democraticaly organized state- preferable confederation or some form of federation.

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dannyboy.. You confusing yourself with two terms -`Anti-Slavisim` and `anti-Slavic`.

Listen, Anti-Slavisim can be understood as institutionally approved minimization/humiliation of Slavs. On the base of actions of some governments (German- for example). We can say that Germany deeply interfere in inter Slavic relations, even inter- Serbian (to waeken cohesive forces of nation) relations etc, on behalf of selfish German interests. Then, we very well know how Hollywood like to present Slavs in movies (I don’t want even to comment). Or, I can remind you on Hitler’s `My Kampf` where he `explained` that- `Slavs are sub-people`.

We can elaborate this problem from many angles but, we already can say that on so called West exists institutional anti-Slavism, from time when Slavs were conquered and were used as object of slavery from Roman/Teuton invaders.

On the other side, anti-Slavic behavior can be understood as behavior which as its consequence has humiliation of Slavs but on micro level. For example, when one start to use Poles as object of jokes, no matter that he even maybe don`t know nothing about Poles.

We also, immediately can say tat anti-Slavic behavior exist.

Anti-Semitism on so called West (particularly in Western Europe) is false because fundaments of societies in non-Slavic Europe are in Semitic ideological constructions, not in native European heritage. Slavs are last people in the world, loyal to native European culture (languages, etc) but saying that I don’t want to say that those who abandoned native European heritage (because of pressure from Semitic intruders) are less worth. No, I just say that for the sake of truth. Also, I have nothing against Semitics but, hire we speak about their role in one specific situation.

Anti-Semitism is false on so called West but, anti-Slavism and anti-Slavic behavior are essential parts of people’s way of thinking and functioning of institutions. That is encouraged by governments which are in constant state of `drang nach osten` (on alert!). It is because of constant needs for large amounts of population and resources- population (Slavic!) which need to be assimilated and resources (Slavic! Not only Russian!) which need to be taken by force or by abnormal expansion of ideological constructions.

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Poles and Russians are so sympathic when they arguing, as all Serbs- I mean Sarmatians or Slavs or whatever.
He, he... history is so irronical and Gods just play with us.


Brate, I don`t give a sh** for Germany but, if you finish with Russia who would help to Serbs in time of our need. You know, Turks (for example) just wait that Russia collapse.

Please, don`t leave us without protection. Serbia can be nice, little Southern province with many rivers and lakes.

We have that twisted dream about unity of Slavs and I`m sure, Serbs would easely swich on dream about unity of Slavs under Polish domination.

Ha, what about that?

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Lone, my virtual prijatelju i brate, tell me- why you didn`t sympli tell me- Calm down, as always? Just that and, I would feel that I am less sh** then I now feel...

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You Germans batter be carefull when speak about relocations. You taken too much from my kind.

You know, one day, you would get back all what you have taken by your bloody fingers and by your perfid schemes.

You are of Teutons, mix of native Slavs and Semitic Romans. But, that`s not worse in you. Problem is that you are spiritual abomination and generator of delusions, from old Slavs, remembered as mute people.

Same how you dissoluted Yugoslavia and still dissoluting Serbs, you would be dissoluted one day. And, will be peace in Europe.

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I agree.

Our personality is reflection of our personal expiriances but, also of collective expiriance of our races, nations, social groups, etc. Level of education affect personality , too.

News / Polish/German/Russian relations [304]

Maybe you want to admit that you are Serb or to say Sorb (at least in origin), Pomeranian, Kasub, etc... or maybe you support liberation of Lusatia.

News / Polish/German/Russian relations [304]

Let`s analize current Polish/Russian (Slavic, in general) situation with Germany.

I suggest that we first surf a little thru some headlines...

Poland points to series of unresolved problems with Germany

irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0705185849165425.htm

Berlin, May 18, IRNA - Germany-Poland-Fotyga

Czech minister writes to Austrian ambassador over discrimination

ceskenoviny.cz/news/index_view.php?id=252996

In Defence of the Sorbs....Deustchwelle compares Sorbs to Turks

network54.com/Forum/65102/thread/1123988976/last-1124784827/In+Defence +of+the+Sorbs....Deustchwelle+compar%20es+Sorbs+to+Turks.

German captain defies Polish "warning shot" on Baltic

dpa German Press Agency

Published: Thursday October 19, 2006

rawstory.com/news/2006/German_captain_defies_Polish_warnin_10192006.html

Sudeten leader praises Merkel for not yielding to Czechs

accessmylibrary.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1 &referid=2930&purchase_type=ITM&item_id=0286-29427924

Russians mark victory over Nazi Germany

news.yahoo/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_re_eu/russia_victory_day

By MIKE ECKEL, Associated Press Writer

Wed May 9, 1:36 PM ET

German Soldiers Spurring Sex Trade on Kosovo

dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1365134,00.html

Accusations that German peacekeepers in Kosovo solicit the services of girls forced into prostitution aren't new. But now, non-government groups say the practice still continues unchanged.

Schroeder pays tribute to German troops in Kosovo

cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9907/23/yugoslavia.01/index.html

July 23, 1999
Web posted at: 1:35 p.m. EDT (1735 GMT)

German government extends mandate of troops in Kosovo

english.peopledaily.com.cn/200405/20/eng20040520_143824.html

Bonn Deploys Combat Troops In Bosnia

themilitant.com/1997/611/611_12.html

German state seams very active. Again. On Slavic ground

This is interesting news... Ooooooo, Poles, brothers.... I am surprised... positively

Obviously, we need to respect soldiers who fought against German occupators boosted with pan-Slavic feelings. They didn`t deserve oblivion, communism yes and dilusions of Soviet era but, not those who were ready to sacrafice their life for liberty of their Slavic brothers. That`s how I see this issue about monuments...

Majority of Poles oppose relocation of Russian memorials

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 10:01

eux.tv/article.aspx?articleId=8009

Warsaw (dpa) - A majority of Poles oppose government plans to relocate Soviet-era monuments, according to an opinion poll published Friday by conservative daily Rzeczpospolita.