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Its still less then what they demand from us (tho what interest you have in arming Israel is beyond me) but i doubt Germany would feed Israel that much and they wont risk it, you're a strong opposition to be had, France is already anti-semitic and with France and Germany on one front Israel would be basically ostracised in Europe.

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You're rich, you've got competent goverment and European support since you're the heart and brain of Europe, if Israel messes with you it risks f*cking up its relations with major continental powers so its picking a fight where it can kick and spit and not fear any retribution.

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"Keep your backpacks close, we're in Poland."
"Dont go near them they're dirty" (kids wanted a pic with a policeman).
"Here Germans and Poles were killing our people."

The trip was not Israeli mind you but American under the Israeli-Polish supervision, because i spoke only English i got the famous pamphlet which basically tells you what to look for in Poland and the teacher told me to look after kids because you dont know what those dirty Polaks might do (actuall words).

Oh yeah the security searched us when we hit the hotels and the same teacher told us with a straight face that some kids cell went missing and we were the only Polish people in the group so they need to check.

And then there was the case of hotel rooms, the trip was staying in 7 rooms, 4 were relatively untouched but 3 others were a sight, some kid crapped into his bed, there was sh*t smeared all over the window, the beds were broken, so were the chairs, all toilets clogged and "NAZI POLAKS" spray painted on the ceiling, tablecloth was rolled and stuffed in one toilet, someone took a dump and smeared doorknobs with it.

It was fun.

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The most popular Slavic language in Europe is English, and London is one of the largest Polish cities.

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I was present at one march of the living, i'm never again having anything to do with those f*cking little animals, ever.

Its beyond me why is our goverment even letting these racist fvcks in, a friend who helps organise the trips tells me last year was better though so maybe some decent people woke up in Israels govt, i'm not that hopeful tho.


I'm not, there's money to be had, money from the trips that their organising companies make, money to be demanded from the Poles for whatever a local jewish nutcase comes up next, as long as Israeli Jews have some hope of squeezing money out of us and the whole deal its not changing.

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Is Israeli security reasonable in beating up elderly Poles? You're grasping at straws Jola, the protection is not against terrorists but against Poles since in their racism Israelis claim we're as good as nazis (their goverment did so via an official document).

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Why arent you adressing Jewish traitors and murderers, why all the double standards and targetting Poles while ignoring the Jewish criminals?

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No never, her claim and her works amount to "Poles saw Jews as aliens and helped Germans kill them".

She virtually never mentions the massive networks of Poles saving Jews or the home army effort, she never mentions Jewish crimes in the Eastern Poland or simple human relations, you read her books like mein kampf, interesting thing is that many of the people she put in her books to testify for her cannot be located, its not that they're dead, they're just not there.


Saying that the Polish nation is in any way responsible for the Holocaust is rubbish and there's no way to prove or justify such a disgusting claim (which she conversly does not).

But given that Maregea is a little racist liar its no wonder he bases his views on something like that.

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Btw Maregea Alina Cała stated that all Poles as a nation are responsible for the Holocaust and never ever went on to justify it, her books which i read never go into dynamics of Polish-Jewish relationship, racist Jewish trade customs or several large scale Jewish betreyals of Poland across history (1795 - 1920 - 1939/40) she's basically smearing all over Poles with an exceptionally biased book.

If thats your source i can quote some of her statements (all of them unjastified in her later works).

"Poles as a nation are in some way responsible for the death of 3 milios Jews"
michaelstanislaus.salon24.pl/107355,aparat-terroru-w-prl-rodacy-pani-aliny-cala

Thats the woman who's your authority? No wonder you're such a biased anti-Polish liar.


I have presented him with irrefutable proof, he not only escaped from it by ignoring it and derailing the thread but also attempted to lie and twist my own words, when i confronted him with respectable Israeli Jews condemning the racist practices of their own people he failed to respond.

Maregea knows the nature of the problem but being biased against the Poles he wil continue to lie and derail this thread no matter how solid the evidence he is presented with.

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Rubbish, most Jews who participated were not member of the party but local population that became turncoat.

Furthermore there is enough proof that crimes Jews commited on Poles were racially motivated, Jews targetted Poles specifically.


No he's not he's just in denial, if thats his view then i of course dont accept it as viable but let him stick with his and me with mine.


I dont know whether Maregea is a Jew or not, what is relevant is that he is a dishonest disputant, strawman arguments, blatant double standards and lies do not improve his standing.


Halfway right, yes Israelis welcome us but no its not particulary popular, mainly due to prices and very real dangers.


Lets not, there's enough people like Maregea ready enough to smear Poland with nasty lies, letting it go while there's people like that will only result in getting fvcked.


No i have proven that you are lying by posting a multitude of sources none of which you can question since i took effort to pick independent ones, so you escaped into ignoring them just like you ignore the relevant arguments in this reply.


I did not, i have adressed Gross extensively also proving him to outright lie in some places and manipulate facts to achieve a biased result in others.

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I have not posted nor suported jewwatch, i said some of their info is accurate but i myself support myself with valid neutral links that tend to include Jews who speak out negatively about what Israel and US jewry is doing to Poland.


I have poste in this thread sources containing the following:

1. Multiple accounts from witnesses describing anti-Polonist racism of Jews.
2. Proof of official racist anti-Polish documents supported by Israel.
3. Renowned Israeli profesor speaking out in accordance with the Polish victims of Israeli Jewish racism, condemning the racist policies of his country.
4. Two sources by independent historians listing and describing how Polish citizens of Jewish descent betrayed Poland during WW2 and then went on to murder Poles in service of Soviet Russia (i can post more).

You have failed to adress any of the points instead you kept avoiding them, producing straw arguments or outright lying like here, yes i have proven my point beyond any contestation which is why you chose to ignore it rather then adress it.


Poles as a nation bear no responsibility because events of anti-semitism were rare, much more often Jews were being saved of which over 100.000 Jewish survivors can testify, Polish Jews on the other hand bear responsibility as a group since majority of them did betray Poland, collaborate with Russia to murder, abuse and steal from their former Polish hosts.

I have provided valid sources containing research from which you have escaped into laughing ridiculing or just avoiding them, untill you can disprove my claims and the sources that prove them, yes i have proven my point and you have none except for a highly biased, anti-Polish opinion and lies that you're unable to back up with any substantial online source.

This is why i am not following Jola on his mild and liberal approach, throught this thread by ignoring claims backed by evidence, countering historical sources and witness accounts with strawman arguments you have proven that you're nothing short of a dishonest liar biased towards the Jewish side of the discussion to the detriment of basic decency, you're ready to resort to lying and strawmaning just to avoid admitting that Jews during WW2 bear co-responsibility with the Germans and the Soviets for the destruction of Poles.

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Rephrase this, Poles did absolutely nothing to deserve this kind of racism from Jews. The only one denying anything was you and Yehudi, despite rock hard proof that many Jews are racist towards Poles and that this policy of racism often takes place in Jewish crimes against Poles.

Many of the most vocal accusers of Poland were Jews who fled Poland because here they would eventually face criminal charges for killing Poles.

No i dont deny that there were Poles who did bad things, what i deny is that its Polish nation or even a majority, what i'm also saying is that Poles had some very tangible reasons to kill Jews (revenge for murder of the Polish people by Jews in the first place) which doesnt justify it but puts the entire situation in different perspective, suddenly Poles are not ugly anti-semites but victimes taking revenge on the opressors and traitors.


Again you're lying, not the first one in this thread, it stands to reason that a guy who denies crimes on Poles so blatantly would be a liar.

I have never posted a site like that, look back on the pages, all of my sources are reliable press articles from mainstream titles and academic works that you cannot link to any extremist group.

I knew you would lie, deny and try to ridicule the responsibility of Jews for the Polish ordeal so i specifically chose sources that you could in no way undermine or ridicule so please stop lying.

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Polish education was filled with historical lies.


Jews were a widely insular bunch, there's very little they as a people contributed.


Did you see anyone here denying any Polish crimes? No. Did i see you and Yehudi ridiculing proven instances of Jewish crimes against Poles? Yes.

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Night of the living Ukrainians.

When a person is bitten it will drop into a coma and die, it will then ressurect as an Ukrainian, it will hunt and bite people who in turn with die and become Ukrainians.

Apocalypse.


Not sure if keeping the border open is smart.

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No its not, its all some otherwordly logic on your part. If a country asked to mobilise its forces blatantly refuses its clear that it wont mobilise AND go to war.

As for your French "defensive propositions" if i recall correctly they were about a limited technology transfer and some small military credits for purchases of French equipment, all in all they were pretty ridiculous and served no purpose.


Sorry they were both pragmatic, though Dmowski took it to an extreme.


What cards? He checked the opinions in France, found them to be extremely defeatist and that all.


Please Sean dont compare an incompetent theif with a guy who was exceptionally competent, you might not agree with him (though i dont understand your arguments completely) but he was nothing like Tursk and neither was the situation.


Russia in 1939 had a sh*tty army and its completely conceivable that Poland could hold through the winter, on Germany:

Poland could defeat Germany easily, you didnt know that i've englightened you, the disparity in manpower and equipment was untill 1935 huge, all it took was for France to mobilise in support and Poland would do the fighting alone, and win.

If Poland acted without French support it could be condemned by the league of nations, backstabbed by Russia or even ostracized, Western Europe was untill 1939 much more pro-German then pro Polish, there were attempts to appease Germany and bring them into the circle of the post WW1 order.

So no Piłsudski was not romantic, he did all he could do except for allying himself with Germany (which for obvious reasons was out) eventually realising France is not going to honor any deals he signed the peace treaty.

How do we know France would not honor any deals? Because it did not in 1939, what makes you think it would enter the even declare in 1935 when Poland would be an agressor when it wouldnt fight in 1939 even having some 200.000 underarmed German militas against them.

History has proven Piłsudski was right about every even the smallest point, his policies were the best that could have been done at the time, i dont really understand your completely ridiculous arguments, you sound a bit like Gumishu trying to prove a completely otherwordly point by force.

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No Sean you dont, generally in subjects of Eastern policies you dont think, hardcore logic for you.

If a country is unwilling to even mobilise it forces it will NOT go to war, it doesnt matter how much you push that Piłsudski should have asked, France was a defeatist country that did not want war, their refusal of mobilisation was direct proof of how worthless the alliance is which is why Piłsudski treated with Germany.

Knowing full well France wont go to war he simply tried to buy Poland some time.


French knew he was thinking about pre-emptive war, why do you think he sent such a set of questions, unless we asume French were severely retarded.


What romanticism?

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Most are. some aren't.

There fixed that for you.

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Being left alone would be quite enough for me but apparently they just cant let go, its as if Israeli and American Jews have a love/hate feeling towards Poland, they hate us, they obssesively claim us to be anti-semites but sometimes i tend to think without Poland they'd be rather lonely :)


Why not? There were purely Jewish and Jewish commanded NKVD units busily wiping out Poles, they made Poles dig mass graves, shot them and then buried them in exactly the same way as Einstatzgruppen.

The motivations of these Jews were racial, they killed Poles for being Polish, just like Einsatzgruppen killing Jews.

There's some cruel irony in that so many of the Jews who participated in executions of Poles in 1939/40 would themselves be standing in place of their former victims at the edges of mass graves in 1941.

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We know he did not.


From the moment people from ABW wiped the gun handle clean nothing sounds reasonable and plausible in this case.


Thats not conspiracy, its just masking the incompetence of operatives and party officials.

Gumishu you support PiS and i respect that, though i cant see any reason to do so thats your sovereign choice and our fathers died for that choice, that alone compels me to respect any of your choices no matter how unwise but there is no redeeming to PiS just like there is no redeeming to PO, at the time of my vote i believed they're (PO) a lesser of two evils and still do but thats all there is to it.


Gblrgf? Mfgfn blargh blegh blagh!!
:)

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There's a lot of people on these boards that are not open to discussion, Seanus aint one of them, while i agree that his take on the period is completely erronous middle fingering open minded people is not a good tactic, they're a rare and precious animal:)

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Because not all Jews were Polish killers but the phenomenon of Jews killing Poles was much much larger then any perceived or real atrocities Poles would carry out later in retribution.


Did you see Yehudis hysterical reaction at the very mention that his people might be up there with German einsatzgruppen or Russian NVKD? Do you really believe someone like Yehudi or Maregea will accept anything that might imply Jewish people are guilty of such atrocities?

These people came here with a pre-existing point of view thats not dependent on real history or truth, they're going to avoid (just like Maregea and Yehudi do) any historical sources that might shake their little world in which we're victims of Jews rather then ugly Jew killers.

I sincerely believe that we should come to the table with Israel but currently Israel is racist, Israeli people and Israeli goverment are racist and proven that through their policies, right now is not a time to talk with them because they're not ready, all we can do is protect our citizens and counter Israeli slander campaign the best we can.


Obviously, have you seen me deny it? However it was never put into context of Jewish crimes in the region directly prior to that and it needs to.

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Jola i agree with everything you wrote but it is important to keep people like Jehudi or Maregea from spreading such slander by providing ubiased academic sources that prove the extent of Jewish anti-Polonism during WW2 and the extent of their crimes on our civilian population.

Jewish crimes on the Polish nation are a historical fact.

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Actually you have been given sources that said something different, they said that the Jews were murdering Poles in 1939/40 all across Eastern Poland, your reaction was to ridicule them and then ignore them.

Yehudis reaction was to throw a little tantrum, accuse me of being sick and run away crying.

Both of you failed to adress the historical fact of Jewish betreyal of Poland and Jewish atrocities on Poles.

And here about Jews torturing and murdering Poles after WW2 (Jews in Russian service targetting Poles on ethnic basis).

I'm going to translate the better fragments when i get back.

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Care to expand on what "security" schemes were that? Or do you want me to do it? The French propositions were ridiculous and did not adress the situation at all.


Which is why they refused to mobilise even one squad of troops, becuase of their eye on the ball.


Where did i say there were negotiations, i said there was such an idea but in the face of the fact that France was unwilling to even mobilise troops it fell on its face.


Yep, if you knew anything about the period you'd know Poland was perceived as a seasonal state by more then Germany and Russia, and Russia made no secret of its eventual intent towards Poland, legimitacy and allies were a big thing for a country in such a situation.

Yes Poland could win easily (milion men against 400k, come on Sean), not a single brit or french would die but it still required international recognition by at least one major power, Poland was not in position to run around on its own.


Ah but Piłsudski was 100% correct. No one including Piłsudski expected that Germany will adopt modern warfare or annect Austria and Czechoslovakia.

Germany was the lesser of two threats and without those two countries and adopting British doctrines it could have been handled though by 1939 conquering Germany was no longer possible a defensive war without Czechoslovakia and Austria was conceivable.

Also in the long run Piłsudski was right, Russia did destroy a lot more then Germany by principle of their prolonged stay in Poland and installation of communist govt.

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On Poles, yes, links are in this thread, viable academic links too, take a look.


Yeah yeah, as long as your racist kids dont come to Poland and assault our citizens and destroy our property (like they do each year, see links) you can give or not give a crap.

Apparently though you cant raise your children not to be horrible racist twats, thats OK too but why bring them to Poland? We dont want Israeli racists here, if you cant act like human beings just stay in Israel.

Btw your response is exactly the same as when Poles complained to Israels ambassador about the racist anti-Polish behaviour of Jewish trips, he trew a little tantrum just like you about how Poles are sick and anti-semit so suck my nationalistic keyboard captain Superior Race.

Btw did your kid smear anti-Polish epithets on the walls with her own feces like so many of your kids do when they come here? Or was she on one of the rare civilised groups?

You've gotta be carefull, 19 of Kraków hotels dont admit Jews anymore because of the property losses a visit from the "Chosen" leaves us with.

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The weapon was shot from close range thats all we know, all other proof was purposefuly removed by ABW and covered up by PiS.


He was not present at the scene.


1. Vital evidence of American involvement was ignored.
2. The fact that the mortar they used was deffective was knowingly omitted.
3. The soldiers were arrested indefinitely with no risk of them fleeing the country for showmaking purposes.
4. The local reconstruction was done in a completely different place.


Could you tell us how they acted? Because from what i know they were busy squandering the funds given us by EU and did not do anything.


Everyone is prejudiced against PiS! Its a conspiracy.


I might be old fashioned but i believe in honor, responsibility and civil courage in politician, PiS just like PO are cowardly thieves, criminals and power hungry liars, there is nothing good about either party whatsoever.

Yes i voted for PO but thats only because its slightly better then PiS on an international arena, thats all there is to it, i hate PO, i hate PiS, LPR, SLD, SDPiL and PSL and i dont hate them "religiously" i hate them because they're a disgrace towards the offices they hold and the nation they should be governing.

The amount of dirt brought up in this topic should have by now convinced anyone that PiS (as well as other major parties) are piles of steaming sh*t yet you try with a delusional determination to justify PiS' criminal activities, lies and examples of utter extreme incompetence.

@Sean i'm going to get back to Piłsudski tomorrow.

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What statistics? Wehrmacht 1933-39 Władysław Koczuk, or just wikipedia.

German army had 100 regulars in 1933, Polish army had 500.000 and the ability to arm further 500.000 against a total of 460.000 of German troops.

Citino Robert, The Path to Blitzkrieg:

In 1933 Germans had 0 tanks and 34 armored cars.

Poland had 130 tanks and 57 armored cars.

Corum James, The roots of Blitzkrieg

In 1935 German army rose to 230.000


Readiness of France for any conflict, the French reply was "no".


There was no will to fight a preventive war by anyone but Poland.


Despite them not being ready to even mobilise? Care to explain?:)

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That she was killed, most likely by accident and during the struggle.


The readiness of mr Ziobro and his goon squad to break the law and imprison people for show which brings early communism to mind.


A woman is to be arrested based on very shaky testimony and nothing else, she "kills" herself but there are rumors of a struggle and the gun has no fingerprints of anyone's on it.

Conclusion? Her arrest was botched and during the struggle she was shot and killed, the gun was wiped clean to hide the incriminating evidence, no one had any business killing her but it happened.


Poland was even more corrupt when corrupt PiS came to power, your point being?


Like the fact that Ziobro accused a doctor of being a murderer while the guy was innocent? Or the fact that they killed a woman and hid the evidence? Or that they arrested some of our finest soldiers and attempted to doctor evidence to get a show out of it?

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Because Piłsudski didnt miss the chance, you missed the point. Poland could not attack alone for political reasons, yes in 1933-35 Poland would roll over Germany faster then you can say Blitzkrieg but without political legimitacy of an active ally like France it was open to Russian intervention.


I'm sorry but yes there was, your link proves that Piłsudski before he'd go out with an offer checked if there's any ground for support in the West, there was not.


Again you're clueless, in 1933 Germany had ~160 tanks and armored cars (less them Poland) and in the event of a war could mobilise approximately 500.000 men against a milion strong Polish army.

The standing German army was 100.000 men, Polish standing army was 450.000 men.

All that was required was political support in the West, Poland at that time could do the fighting alone.


You're saying that French who blatantly refused to mobilise an army even as support would have agreed to mobilise it and declare war? This statement ranks among the stupidiest things you posted right next to calling Putin a decent man.

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Doing what? There were no fingerprints on the gun, its kinda strange to shoot yourself without using your hands, or someone cleaned the gun maybe?