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A THOUSAND PEOPLE WITH SWINE FLU....just over the Polish border..


wildrover 98 | 4,451  
31 Oct 2009 /  #1
Around one thousand people are in hospital with swine flu in Ternopol Ukraine , just over the Polish border , 500 children infected , quite a lot of people dead...

I saw this on the news.pl worries me a little , as i have a good friend in Ternopil that i visited last summer... The Ukrainians are starting to panic , there is a shortage of doctors and medicine , and it seems people are coming over the Polish border to get medicine...

The Polish government is deciding if this could be a problem for Poland...for the moment the border remains open....

No doubt this will cause a lot of Polish people to panic also , but it may be the Ukrainians are suffering due to lower resistance to the virus..one of the effects of the Chernobyl disaster....

Or it could be the virus has mutated into something more deadly....????
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
31 Oct 2009 /  #2
Night of the living Ukrainians.

When a person is bitten it will drop into a coma and die, it will then ressurect as an Ukrainian, it will hunt and bite people who in turn with die and become Ukrainians.

Apocalypse.

The Polish government is deciding if this could be a problem for Poland...for the moment the border remains open....

Not sure if keeping the border open is smart.
DannyJ - | 129  
31 Oct 2009 /  #3
Get a flu Jab
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
31 Oct 2009 /  #4
No doubt this will cause a lot of Polish people to panic also

Yawn... Eat onion, drink vodka and don't give a damn...
ShawnH 8 | 1,509  
31 Oct 2009 /  #5
I think garlic is a better defense against zombies. Maybe a bullet to the brain, too.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
31 Oct 2009 /  #6
Quite a few people here have contracted the flu but the standard version. The more virulent strains will be contained by Poland. Poland took a very responsible attitude towards the isolated case that it had and not much more was said about it.

However, all it takes is one slip. I remember the stringent measures taken by Japan back in 2003. One Chinaman got into the country and the Japanese authorities were furious. They imposed mandatory quarantines on people coming back from there so that's why I didn't go to Shanghai. My work wouldn't have seen the funny side of it.

Back to Poland, I feel safe here. I am susceptible to colds generally but have been in close contact with those that have them and have not contracted anything. We should always be careful of exaggerated hysteria!
OP wildrover 98 | 4,451  
31 Oct 2009 /  #7
Yawn... Eat onion, drink vodka and don't give a damn...

Now that sounds like good advice....I certainly will not be rushing out to get injections , or fill myself with potions... Like Seanus i feel pretty safe in Poland , and i am not that worried about visiting Ukraine , apart from the fact somebody might panic and the border may close trapping me over there....

I do worry about friends in Ukraine though , i have a good friend in Ternopil , where the worst outbreak seems to have happened , and not so far away in Poltava , another good friend , her sister is already suffering from cancer of the blood due to the Chernobyl accident , a dose of flu would finnish her for sure....

I am not going to panic , i don,t do panic , and would not panic even if there was a real problem , which i am not sure there is...but i reckon the aptekas,s in Poland are going to do good business between now and summer....
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
31 Oct 2009 /  #8
Eww... looks like Uks are suspecting that crap could be a new swine flu mutation...
OP wildrover 98 | 4,451  
31 Oct 2009 /  #9
a new swine flu mutation...

Thats what the experts say is the big danger....i fear that the Ukraine does not have the money or expertise to deal with the situation if it turns out to be something deadly....

Another worrying factor......friends of mine living there have told me that the government of Ukraine feel that there are too many people in Ukraine , and would like to reduce the population considerably....maybe they won,t rush to stop this situation killing lots of people...
Raficoo 3 | 34  
1 Nov 2009 /  #10
1,000? D:

According to this (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_by_country) .. there's 80,000!!!!

and according to this flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130657 150,000!!!!! O_O

Wow that's simply.. Scary! last time i checked there was only one case lol.. now this Much!!

Close down the Border!! DX
OP wildrover 98 | 4,451  
1 Nov 2009 /  #11
1,000? D:

I actually said that there was 1,000 people affected in the town of Ternopil , which is just over the border from Poland , over the whole country of course its a lot more...

Hopefully Poles won,t go into a panic over this , but i do think its something the Polish goverment should be keeping a close eye on...
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
1 Nov 2009 /  #12
150,000!!!!!

But that's normal flue... looks like they have a huge epidemy of normal flue + many cases of swine flue (don't really know how many, looks like they lost control...) and possibly some new mutation...

Close down the Border!!

True.
OP wildrover 98 | 4,451  
1 Nov 2009 /  #13
Close down the Border!!

Perhaps a good idea....but how many Ukrainians that may be suffering from the virus have already come over the border to buy medecine...?
cheehaw 2 | 263  
1 Nov 2009 /  #14
there was an israeli guy by the name of Joseph Moshe, who called into a radio show in the USA several weeks ago, and said Baxter pharmaceutical was preparing a virilent and dangerous bio-weapon disguised as flu in the Ukraine.

Sounded like conspiracy nut stuff at the time. but he may be right.

he seems to have diappeared off the face of the earth but you can probably search around the web and pull up about him calling into the radio show.
OP wildrover 98 | 4,451  
1 Nov 2009 /  #15
he seems to have diappeared off the face of the earth

Ha...if what he says is true , and he gave his real name....he will definatly have dispapeared off the face of the earth...no doubt with some help from dodgey guys in leather jackets...
ukpolska  
3 Nov 2009 /  #16
This is Political with an election coming up it looks like there is a competition to be seen to be the most caring between Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and President Viktor Yushchenko.

I work part time at The National Veterinary Research Institute here in Puławy, and I was speaking to their Professors this morning who have been requested to help in showing workers in Ukraine how to take and preserve swabs for analysis.

And they were saying that there is a problem, but, it is being blown out of all proportion to further the political campaigns of the two parties.

Kind of sad really terrifying thousands of people to further their own needs... still in this part of the world it is nothing new :(
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
3 Nov 2009 /  #17
Don't worry about the swine flu unless you have underlying health concerns. If you are healthy you won't get it too bad. It takes it's toll on those with underlying conditions more than it does those in good health.

Considering my location, I am sure, by now, I have been exposed to H1N1 multiples times and I haven't gotten ill. Not once.
ukpolska  
3 Nov 2009 /  #18
PlasticPole
Wow that makes me feel so much better with a daughter with chronic asthma and being 200klms away from the supposed outbreak !!!!
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
3 Nov 2009 /  #19
Well, you should take caution with your daughter and, perhaps, get her an H1NI immunization. I'm sure she will be fine, but it would be a good idea to be a little extra careful. I am sure you probably already are during flu season, anyway.
ukpolska  
3 Nov 2009 /  #20
Already done it !!!

Even thinking of moving somewhere warm for the winter, I work from home so it's no real problem where I am, and any further developments, I am off to my friends house out in Turkey for a few months.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
3 Nov 2009 /  #21
I wouldn't worry too much about it :)
With the flu shot, she should be just fine, so try to enjoy the winter, all of you ;)
OP wildrover 98 | 4,451  
3 Nov 2009 /  #22
still in this part of the world it is nothing new :(

In this part of the world its also normal to deny there is a problem when there is , or say its under control when it is not.......remember Chernobyl...?
cheehaw 2 | 263  
3 Nov 2009 /  #23
Ha...if what he says is true , and he gave his real name....he will definatly have dispapeared off the face of the earth...no doubt with some help from dodgey guys in leather jackets...

yeah, it appears to be some sort of gimmick at the moment from what I read in the press.

as usual the israeli connection is starting to cause a stench.
krysia 23 | 3,058  
4 Nov 2009 /  #24
How many Ukrainians died last year from the "regular" flu? Now it's got a new name so it's in the news. Flu is a flu whatever you call it.
OP wildrover 98 | 4,451  
4 Nov 2009 /  #25
Flu is a flu whatever you call it.

Well hopefully thats all it is...but they seem to think its more dangerous...My friend who lives over there says they are all walking around with masks on , people are scared..

Yes they have had flu there before , but this seems to be kiling larger numbers than has been known before , and a hospital near my friend is full to capacity with people , many of whom are very sick , many more have died than is usual , so naturally its causing concern..

Not long ago in history millions died in a flu epedemic...there is always a chance that this flu can mutate into something we don,t have a vacine for...Hopefully this is not the case , but its something to be aware of...The last big problem with flu happened in 1918....it killed between 50 and one hundred million people worldwide...it would be silly to assume it could not happen again...
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
4 Nov 2009 /  #26
How many Ukrainians died last year from the "regular" flu? Now it's got a new name so it's in the news. Flu is a flu whatever you call it.

I did catch something really bad a few years back, about seven years ago...and it was just awful, the worst flu I ever experienced in my life! It was way different in intensity than anything I had before and it involved my stomach. Somewhere around there I had one that involved coughing and mucus. I wonder if these were H1N1 and they have been around a lot longer than people realize? It was strange catching that stomach one because rumor was, a terrible, severe flu was making the rounds and everyone was catching it. It was true, too.

That's the only time I caught a really terrible flu.
krysia 23 | 3,058  
4 Nov 2009 /  #27
The last big problem with flu happened in 1918....it killed between 50 and one hundred million people worldwide..

True. The pigs are getting back at people eating wieprzowinę.



szczeciniak 4 | 92  
4 Nov 2009 /  #28
flu viruses constantly pick up genetic mutations as they multiply, scientists can deduce a family tree by comparing the shared ancestry of their genomes.
it is called pedigree
This helps reveal hidden information about the spatial spread of the virus,
swine flu does not have history of mutations(pedigree) but swine-origin influenza virus) has enough antigenic similarity to related H1N1 influenza strains
there is a lot of theories were this virus came from?
if natural? next mutantis would be weaker( still danger to weak and sick hosts)
if lab made? help us god!!
process of reproduction of vaccine is very slow for swine flu virus reproducing rate is only 20%( comparison to common flu virus) lazy bagger!!!
Flu outbreaks certainly follow a seasonal pattern, and the researchers agree that summer weather may be slowing down the current spread of swine flu in the Northern Hemisphere. But even if the spread of the virus spikes again in the fall or winter, they say there’s no reason to assume that the virus will become more deadly or more contagious.

something from the past:
In 1977, a type of H1N1 virus, commonly known as the "Russian flu,” spread across the world, infecting people under 25 at much higher rates than their elders, who had been exposed to similar viruses in the ’40s and ’50s.

ehhh, interesting ?????

anyway' the strongest pathogens killer is used by army special forces(h2o2 tablets)
drop one in the army bottle, wait 2 min and it ready for drinking:-+
i think someone is selling it on internet as mms
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
4 Nov 2009 /  #29
there is a lot of theories were this virus came from?

It could be that many Americans were exposed to it several years ago when that bad flu was going around. That's why they aren't getting very sick with it now.
szczeciniak 4 | 92  
4 Nov 2009 /  #30
just fund it on the google!
The "Legal" definition of Weapons of Mass destruction
re:weapons of mass destruction, from technology and chemicals to dangerous pathogens.

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