Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


I said that she need more control over herself! Probably she is abit frustrated.

My friend, I am impartial. But I was refering to her remaining post. The parts which were like as you quoted were avoided by me. I avoided them due to a simple reason, which is the realisation of her frustration.

I have seen more youths (who will come ahead and help anyone regardless of their race and nationality any day) say like that at a certain period of time and not mean it. Ola, in her later posts, does say that she dont have any problem for people on any nationality living and working in Poland - and calling it their home. She only doesnt want the commercial buying of properties, and thus manpulation the real state market (or the reaction which makes the prices go high). For this she blames the British who live in England, work there, and only come Poland to buy off the properties (booking it early, and paying any price) and then selling it or using it for commercial benefits. All this while housing is the biggest problem in Poland currently.

Yes, he post only shows the problem, and not the right solution. But for that reason if you go after her, then you are actually going after a huge number of Polish youths (maybe surprising, but a very strong fact).

As I have said before... This problem is no caused by the British only, but also other wealthy nations. The wealthy Polish is building the property for the foreighn market these days... you will be surprised on how much interested they are on the ordinary Polish.

The wealthy is getting more wealthy (a very small number in Poland), and the lower earning society (with all its levels) are soon realising that having a home is becoming an illusive dream (which might even never be fulfilled)!

Again, I have mentioned that our Govt. must take steps in reforms and taxations. To bring forward limitations and better laws. Our policies are supposed to be according to our needs and requirements. If the current Govt. fails in this, then I see a very painful situation in Poland soon - which will eventually bring Poland back to its citizens.

Nothing here is about violence. Just sometimes we come infront of misdirected anger/emotions. Let us not take them as hatred, but I suggest we try to find the reason and solution to our problems.

For Ola... I would say...she needs time. She is not a bad person at all. I hope she will be able to gather herself soon :)

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You are Welcome.

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


I agree... People who are going to live in Poland and Work here should be treated one of us!

I think that Ola cannot make herself clear here. But as strange as it may seem to you, she sounds much like many young Poles these days...only that is the reason that I am not surprised.

Yes...as I mentioned before... her emotions are beyond come control now, and it is not well directed. The british should not be blamed for everything also. Our govt. lacks in proper handling of the property issue.

The real problem is that the foreighn property buyers who use it for commercial reasons. Buying up property (8/10 flats...12/20 houses!!!) for selling later when market goes higher... or give as rent. They will buy at any cost these days... so the real agent dont have to bother much about bringing cost even a penny down for locals....some of them are not even interested in locals!

I have posted few replies here... if you read it you will get a picture of the Polish view.

Personally...I again want to make clear that its not about race of nationality. Everyone - be it english, arab, african or asian should be given same respect as any other polish person LIVING AND WORKING in poland AND HAVING FAMILY here. OUR BASIC neccessities must be met.

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


So how's the day Ola? ... You are into university of finished it? ... you also gonna move out for jobs?

Why not try and do something into Poland my friend? ... although... it you think abroad is a good option...I can understand :).... by good lucks with you :)

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


Ola is one of those many Poles... extremely dissappointed and frustrated.

I do think that she needs to calm down... pray... and learn that voilent anger (or having hate/anger) towards other nationalities is not the answer. But I suggest this to her as a friend... as a fellow Pole... as someone who realises her situation, her dreams... and her legitimate reason to feel down! I respect her dreams... but then... I hope she soon gathers herself, and moves ahead.


Dear friend :),

Let us try for a better solution. I have read your posts...and seen that you are not at all racist or nazistic (that many have commented you to be). I know your state of mind and heart! ... But I know you and me and all us Polish (and the citizens of Poland...including those who look to live here and earn here...make it home) will bring forward to Poland a new dawn of success.

We have so much positives. Look at the heart of Poland! Vibrant, Welcoming, Pure and Accepting. We have the love... and that is our greatest property....thought it...we will earn our rights!

Yes...we will share our thoughts...pain...joy :)...troubles and solutions...WITH OUR FRIENDS! Those who care... and ofcourse....those who'll throw one stone! - Let us not hit them back....because we are not like that :)...

:)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Calm down all... dont let a discussion turn into hostile argument... lets keep it til making points - giving opinions - and disscuss! After all we are all humans...all the same.

I agree... and it is just very true...that I also witness among Polish youth (in an ever increasing number)... and they are no happy about the HOUSING SECTOR... they feel dissappointed... our ecomonical situation is not improving at a similar rate to the rising prices. Just the simple dreams look like fantasies... it is painful for many people. Different people deal with it in different manners - Although the goal is same ... a home. Trust me my friends from all over the world... it is a lovely little dream I can see in the eyes of my friends... although after some time... i trace sorrow ~ because some fear it might not come soon enough... or never come to them at all. Not only the Native Polish, but also the immigrant person who is definately now a Polish (living and earning here - be s/he from any race or religion).

But then... there is always a good solution! Solution that suits everyone... all must make a few compromises... for a good healthy solution - without any ill feeling created between fellow humans!

I wish all the people here all the success in life! Also...I pray that our govt. understands that the average Pole's basic needs are far from being met.

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He must be a Martian.

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


I work alot harder than many my friend!

My financial background is very strong. My father is not only a professor, but has a good business of his own, and we have enough money. But I just want to make my own money, and ofcourse will join in with my father's business and expand it. My family infact is very closely knit and very strong bond (which is rare these days in Poland).

I am pointing out the situation that common Poles are facing. And these are real situation. WE ARE WORKING HARD, very hard (please dont think that those who are complaining dont work hard!), but in return we are not getting enough to get a property. It is frustrating for many young people... and if young people are frustrated, then the result is often very bad, dont you agree?

You must have prices of basic necessities according to the earning of the local, not the high earning and high spending foreighner.... thats what I am trying to say.

Our country should know that their first responsibility is towards the common Pole/Resident of Poland, who stays here and works here!

Hope you get it this time. There is no animosity in any of my posts towards anybody...just I held out my opinion on our govt. and what we want from it.

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


I have met people, had talks, share informations... My father has been in several places abroad, and he is a professor of economics.

I understand that you see Poland differently....and it is good! I also want to do the same... But the ground situation of the ordinary Pole is very difficult. We need to work harder.

For you... probably you have earned much from UK. For the remaining Pole, we want to manage ourselves in Poland... and have the country as a whole... have property too....not for free....but prices should be according to the terms of the income of Poles in total (and the average to be made keeping the extremely rich away). Let the middle class and the poor also be a part of Poland!....and this to our Government.

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


She probably is just asking people to get REAL.

Tell me (without getting hurt for God's sake), how many Polish people from Poland and living in here are present in the Polish forums. I once asked people, and no one replied!

Most are from abroad, who only visit Poland sometimes, or are planning to come Poland and making equations about it, or some who are searching roots....and ofcourse - those searching THE POLISH WOMAN!

But how many from inside of Poland...who knows it as it really is to the commons! Well...I am one of them....and I think Miranda is too right! We have alot of problems. SPECIALLY THE HOUSING....also medication! IT says that Miranda is in REAL close terms with Poland.

WE POLISH are welcoming...so please dont take my post otherwise.... but foreighn living Poles or foreighners who are not spread on the ground of dealing with everyday life here, CANNOT understand our basic situations.

Bottom line: We have a bad govt. (please dont censor it), and we have a bad economy.

Life / Poverty in Poland [50]


NO... No No No! .. how much do you know Poland. I dont understand how you see Poland - UK and EU .... we are different places and organisations.

Look... if you study the economy.... you will clearly find the difference.... Poland is even Poorer than Malaysia or Maldives or even Morocco.

We have good cities - true. But basically our big country is poorer in the interior.

On making averages.... you will find a result which is no where near the lions share of the people


your calculation is no match to the actual picture sadly!...

The Rich are too rich! ... take the real Poland - usually the middle class and the below poverty line...and then you will find a picture that throws more light. But then alas, how our government tries to hide a few things.

How would you know? Its not your fault.

USA, Canada / Polish Canadians [117]


Thank you my lovely friend :) ... you are a true pingwin :) :) ...

Whats your name by the way? May I know?

USA, Canada / Polish Canadians [117]


I like spring

USA, Canada / Polish Canadians [117]

I am ok in a way dear Miranda :) .

Life is busy, I go gym (for short times few times in a day). I study In the morning usually. Then I come here... :) ... with all of you.

My friend come sometimes... a few are going UK and France...I decide to stay in Poland. I need more money, but I dont want to go Westwards ~ atleast not now. My father however can support me with additional finances...however, I want to acheive something on my own.

You know my dream :) . She is ok, I talk with her usually. She is busy sometimes, and the distance... sometimes I feel bad not being around her more. But I will go Japan soon surely....no matter how things turn out. I want to prove myself that I did go out for her...and I want to acheive success in my life ~ on of the reason is of knowing her.

My life has got alot of challenges. I am trying my best... but I will keep trying till I have success. :)

USA, Canada / Polish Canadians [117]


Calm Down.

Those in Canada...fresh immigrants from Poland....call themselves Polish Canadians. I presume, soon, after another generation (of a couple), they will be Canadians (only). Which is normal, justified, and accepted.

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Give a chicken... she'll lay some eggs.


Inside the egg live the philosophy of life.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


You will not get it.

Problem is that you think in one line. The British way... and you want to keep thinking like that.

The wage scale you showed are for all of Wroclow? I dont think so...hello...its my country we are talking about in here.

I showed you about Lodz. And we, the Poles, eventually will decide what to do with our future and present. The new generation will device out better ways...

We are no nazi-stic etc... We have our right think think about how we are going to build and develop our society... We, the people who are living here - not only for commercial reasons. And these people dont only include native Poles, but all other communities (no matter how small) living and staying inside Poland with their families.

We need development in the housing sector. We need a balance in foreign investment. We need such a plan, that it become alot more easy for the ordinary Pole to buy a flat/house.

The young Pole will do it. And all around me I hear the same voice rising among the youths of Poland.

This is our right to build. We decide our future. We will manage our own country...the EU comes alot much later! If we find any other organisation better than EU in the future...we should not hesitate to join (just an example).

I do not want to stop foreighners from buying. I want a better system, which enables the ordinary Polish man to be able to own a house within the age of 30 maximum.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Thats extreme.

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How do you know?

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Average wage in my area US$ 1700 (approx)
Average houseprice US$ 142,000 (two bed)

Lodz, Poland

Please note: Average wage dont show the actual wage of the majoity of people. Some very high wages, with some medium wages... added with a large portion of low wages make that up. I guess you all know it already...but still I thought I add this.

Life / Indian moved to Poland [532]


A personal question: Are you vegetarian for religious beliefs? If so, then what is the explanation of the philosophy in your view.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Which is not good.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Warsaw~ ya... thats the target.

However other cities are getting tergetted by foreigners too.

You see...usually the real estate agent wants the foreign buyer. Because they pay huge sums of money. They dont know the traditional price... and by falling for the agent... they finally increase the price.

However...over buying is also a matter. They buy and buy (many of them)...for comerical reasons specially.


Its not bad...comparing our situation....its wonderful!

Life / Do Polish women have problem with computer technology? [11]

Usually I think most Polish women are very careful. They are shy of the computer, and careful that they dont harm it in any way :). This forbids them from trying out the system!

Otherwise...Polish women are more interested in learning thoroughly...but usually through the book.

That's just my observation :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


But atleast you accept that Poland has FAR MUCH MORE land... and we are not as strong as UK economically. But still we have this problem. We shouldnt have so much expensive property!

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Your country is very rich. You can afford alot more than we do. All of us cannot and do not want to go abroad to work! ... we want to help home, be in Poland.

Buying a property outside...and then? ... how to handle it? How to keep it? Because I would like to live inside Poland...not anywhere else...

My comment is one that will certainly be liked by all young Poles... and this is just plain truth. We dont have a problem if you buy land here for commercial reasons... but for that reason we should not have to pay higher prices. Your investment reasons and our investment reasons are different. We want something too basic...a roof over our head in our own country - thats all. An average Pole cannot afford a decent home, or he will have to pay for it more than half his entire life! We need to stay somewhere with family... and call that place ours.

Poland is not a rich country. Our economy is not better than many East Asian countries (let alone west european). We need to improve and compete with this modern world (I agree), but at the same time, keep housing-medication and food within the reach of the working average resident of Poland (who buys for residential purpose, where he can bring in the family and stay).

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


I presume my post was not well received by you.

Your comment over my post does not match. I am talking about property, and you are talking about Jobs.

We have to allow housing for all (specially those who are inside Poland and not moving out). Ordinary Poles must be able to have a home! I hope you do accept that.

I know we should work alot harder... but our country is not UK or USA right now. However, this dont stop from our basic need of housing. Be it any resident (from any race). But this person (if planning to stay in Poland and call it home) need a roof over his head which he can call his own! And that also through his average income.

About the international job market, its a completely different issue. There we compete for a job in a market abundant with jobs. It is not that someone is without a Job! If that someone (British resident) is without a job, then your government should come ahead and solve his problem.

I am talking about the Basic here.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


We are only talking about property prices! How to enable a better housing policy in Poland... so that every sector is fulfilled, and young Poles (including young immigrant poles, who want to live in Poland and work...and accept the country as theirs aswell), buy a good home and live in it. This is basic human rights. And we have alot of land (which means we are not out of land).

If the policies are further developed, we will be successful.

It is a growing planet...the face is more matured and defined... we will need to grow aswell, so that we can move along with the motion of time.

:) ... here is no fear, just a problem. When there is a problem, human nature is to think out a correct solution, which meets our requirement and does not harm or be a reason for loss to anyone.

Another proposed solution from my part (in continuation to my previous post) is to specify a certain limit to foreign property buyers. That is, foreign property buyers cant only buy at certain areas (alocated for foreighn investors, who dont stay in Poland, or are workers abroad and have commercial reasons for buying houses - instead of basic living reasons) but also they can buy property only of certain limit (say an area through which they can make 3 bed, 1 living, 1 dining, 2 toilets, 1 varenda/lawn). Beyond this the foreighner CANNOT buy. The foreighner must justify this purchase, showing reason and family members. These foreign investor can still buy more property, but at a more 600 times tax per square meter. After 500 square meter, this tax must keep tripling.

However, the common Pole :), should also have limits (larger area limits), but pay less for the land and have more support from private and public institutions. Specially students should be more incouraged to invest in the housing sector (university students). We should have to pay only 100 times more tax per square meter, After 1000 square meter, our tax should keep doubling. HOWEVER, OUR PURCHASE PRICE MUST BE ATLEAST 2/3 OF THE PRICE THAT THE FOREIGHNER (OR THE EXPAT, WORKER ABROAD) MUST PAY (EXCLUDING THE TAXES).

This is just fare. And our youth need it.

Hopefully you can add more of your ideas without feeling attacked here. My post is meant for the average student population of Poland.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Calm Down. We just need to face the realities of the modern world my friend.

I understand your feelings. But our Government should have better plans for foreign investment in the property sector, and for the people of Poland.

I suggest that for foreighners they can specify a location, and include taxes etc, so that the prices they want to spend (and what our government wants from them), they can get it. However, for us, the locals.... the Government can give more incentives, more help from Bank, and lower taxes on property. It will also help if they can give a price scale for us, so that we can buy at a price which will enable housing for the Polish youth. Otherwise, our country will have to deal with a big chunk of frustrated youth. These frustrated youth can easily be mislead and as a result, be reason for a great loss for Poland.

However, for the time being we can pray for a revitalisation in the thinking process of our government... and work harder ourselves to earn enough to own decent shares of our own home.

Lets be positive, live, work hard, and see what life has in store for our last days.

:) ... dont worry - be happy!

I read once in a magazine about Egyptian Housing Sector being the best towards its young citizen. If it is really so, then our government can discuss their success! Or find alternatives. We need to work out a solution, all of us together!

Life / Indian moved to Poland [532]


Do you have any intention of opening something like this in Poland?