News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

You are such a bigot. Do you know what the real Jozef Pilsudsky tried to do? You aren't being fair. I doubt you understand politics. You do not have the good of the human race in mind. There is this thing called "human rights" as the real Joe Pilsudsky was well aware. You could learn a thing or two from him if you opened up your heart some.

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Pilsudsky was a socialist. You have a very poor understanding of what was going on. Many people were impoverished in that part of Europe. Many people of all different ethnicities had very little. This drove the revolutions.

Pilsudsky fought Bolsheviks but you have to remember he had society in mind, he helped many poles of all ethnicities. You don't grasp that many Europeans are mixed with all kinds of ethnic groups. Semetic tribes, as well as Asians. That's the reality. He fought bolsheviks, not jews, okay?

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You have some semetic and asian because of the Roman empire and mongol invasions. In your part of Europe, there's a lot of ethnic mixing and self hate because so many of you have been brainwashed into believing purer is better. Just because someone speaks German doesn't always mean they are German.

But Germans tend to believe they are.

You have assimilated semetics and asians into your family tree.

I thought I read somewhere that Slavs came from somewhere in Iran, originally, and migrated or something...so there ya go. That is what I am talking about. Thousands of years of migrating. All kinds of people migrating all over Europe. Europe sending millions to other countries too. You have to remember that. You Europeans have sent your masses out to conquer the world. I swear there is so much ignorance on this forum. It really does attract some of the most ignorant people. I don't know why that is. It's a shame.

You do realize Europeans have branched out and left the continent over the years, don't you????
LOL
Good lord. This must be a joke. You cannot be that naive.

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You can't be serious!!! The real question is: Why would you associate that statement with hate??? How is it hateful?

History has shown us all you cannot keep people in one place. If someone really wants to go somewhere they will. It's a fundamental right. We all have the right to go where we want.

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You have mixed heritage. Your part of Europe is VERY mixed and you have to accept it. You have to remember Europe hasn't always been like it is now. At one time the Roman Empire included parts of Asia and Africa and people who came from these lands lived in Europe. Germany is close to Austria and Austria is close to Italy and Rome was in Italy and Rome conquered many places. You were eventually conquered by Holy Romans which is why Germans became catholics, before the reformation. Then again, you germans have always been kind of disgruntled.

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I have a question. What about all the other slavic ethnicities in Poland, Kashubians, etc...are they denied their Polishness because they are not ethnic Poles? I read the book The Tin Drum. It said a Kashubian is too german to be polish and too polish to be german. If some poles are gonna be such purists, where do Kashubians fit in?

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I think it's fair to say many ethnic groups can call themselves polish. It's kind of like the US and Russia.

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They were foreigners at one time too. The US isn't so much a land of immigrants anymore. It used to be. Now it's more like Russia with lots of ethnic groups. Migrations into Russia started earlier. Various invasions over the centuries were really migrations more or less, non?

I live in a part of the US that is extremely ethnically mixed and it's been said it has more ethnic groups than anywhere else on earth and most are american ethnic groups, not immigrants. Groups indigenous to this continent. Not everywhere in the US is the same.

Members of these groups keep their heritage and identify with the US at the same time. It's unsual. They are American but at the same time, not really American. Still, everyone manages to get along, more or less. It can happen. The population has to be willing. This place could be a stunning example to the rest of the world.

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...Vietnamese, Mexicans, Pakistanis, India Indians, Indonesians. I don't think I can name them all. I live near a university and people from all the world attend it because it's really inexpensive place to get an education compared to other locations in the US.

BB you must remember it was you Europeans who came and tried to destroy the native american culture. You tend to whine about people moving toEurope but you have to remember you Europeans have done a lot of harm in the world too. You never talk about the trouble you've caused when you whine about people moving into Europe, do you? Maybe you owe the world a thing or two?

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Nah, those are immigrants to the state, non citizens. There's lots of native tribes here and many nations. This place has soooooo many nations. You wouldn't believe it. It would probably give you a nervous breakdown, considering...lol

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B.B. these are nations. That is what you are going to have trouble with considering how nationalistic you are, lol. Nations inside the US. That is what each tribe is. Each tribe has a soviet, more or less. A tribal government. They are recognized by the US government as being independent nations within the borders.

They don't get their own militias or anything like that...
So, we have the state government, the county government, the city government, the tribal governments, and the Buereau of Indian Affairs that oversees the tribes.

Tons and tons of beurocracy here and stunningly we all get along ;) ;) ;) ;) ;-)
There's hope for you Europeans.

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Those are the immigrants. We got lots of those too ;)
We gots everyone!!!
Yes I know what you mean, but the damage has already been done by Europe...why stop?

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

What I meant was, Europe pretty much had it's way with the US so what does it matter if people emigrate from Asia? For hundreds of years every disgruntled european found their way to the US. So why stop others from doing the same thing now? What would be the point? I think everyone should get to go where they want.

Another way of looking at it: every ancestor was at one time, an immigrant. Through the course of history people have moved. That's a fact. They all moved at different times. The ones who moved three thousand years ago are pissed at the ones who moved three hundred years ago. They should get over it.

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Haha, ask native americans that and they might answer differently. But there isn't much they can do about it. Europeans could be more like them. You just have to deal with emigration like the native americans did. It's just part of life.

Most native americans around here begrudgingly accept emigrants. Europeans can do the same. :D :D :D :D :D :D

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European casinos. Whenever a group has trouble making money just open up a casino, works for the mob, for native americans and for Europeans too...

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


oh, btw, there aren't many reservations in the state I live, just one, I think. The rest are nations.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


Because it would have been too tragic. Nuking soviets wasn't an option. It would have affected the European continent, no one knew how badly, at the time, and it was too risky.

I doubt Japan would have been nuked if they would have surrendered and not been so aggressive. It was a last ditch effort to end the wars.

It's still a mystery why things went the way they did. Why did Britain and the US allow the pact between the USSR and Germany, then meet in Tehran with Stalin in 1943? That's strange. Did the soviets feel stabbed in he back, did they finally realize National Socialists were complete nutjobs?

It's easy to see why the soviets weren't challenged after the war. What is murky is why Hitler wasn't challenged before.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Sadly, Poland's greatest struggle of all has taught us that peace is not always such a good thing. Peace at what price?

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NATO has helped to keep the peace. From how it looks over here, Europe wants to fight with itself. If NATO can stop that, it's good. Zionism is jews wanting a homeland of some kind so they can live someplace and not be subject to the prejiduces of the rulers, why deny them that? You use zionism in a negative way but is it really negative? It's a reaction against thousands of years living in foreign lands, the "diaspora". It's not negative. Why the paranoia? Any human being will try to control if given the chance, doesn't matter their origins, it's human nature. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be governments in Europe or the US or anywhere else on earth.

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Are you forgetting a key component? WWII???? That is what led to all this. Europe should support Israel without question considering the past.
Isn't Ehud Olmert the PM of Israel right now? Why do you keep mentioning Sharon?
On that note, it's no surprise Sharon would downplay zionism. Politicians in the western world, Russia and China like to keep religion out of politics and promote secularism because they believe it keeps the population more stable and it's better for the people. Religion tends to bring out extremism and that's not good.

I don't know what to say about NATO and Serbia. It's another unfortunate event, like the war in Iraq is right now. It would be nice to avoid these types of conflicts but is it really ever possible?

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It was BRITAIN that created Palestine. Like it or not Israel is an ally of the west and that's the way it will be. It is still influenced by G.B. don't forget that it's sorta like a colony of Britain and Britain has a great influence in that region. PLEASE do not fail to mention BRITAIN and it's role in all this.

While we are on that, I would like to coin new terms "Britainism" and "Britainist" to describe Britain's quest to control and conquer the world as part of an international conspiracy of wealthy Brits.

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"Britainist" Someone who believes the entire world should be owned by and revolve around Britain.
"Britainism" The belief the entire world should be owned by Britain ;););)


You are not seeing the entire picture. The reason Israel exists is a refuge for people not wanted in Europe. It's a traditional homeland. It should be supported and all the myths demystified. A lot of what you read are myths that have existed for hundreds of years that have led to wars. The US and western allies are trying to keep peace in the region, so we don't end up with something like what was in Europe after WW I. We are trying to avoid a situation like that one with a lot of casualities. It would help if people would stop believing lies about the area. Those lies cause people to do things that are not in their best interest and they create instability it makes things worse for everyone.

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In this MODERN day and age Israel should exist because there is no other place. There's no other choice.

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Actually I think they would have all been much better off emigrating to the US.

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You lost me. Air strikes against whom, exactly? No, what I meant was, I think America should have accepted European refugees prior to WWII and during WWII if they were allowed to leave. Germany made emigrating impossibe during the war.

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But that would never happen, you see, Seanus, because in the US people are allowed to go to college, get jobs, live side by side, join neighborhood associations, own land, engage in a free society.

There would be no reason to rebel, you see? It wouldn't happen because people are allowed the pursuit of happiness here.

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Seanus, remember, the US is still considered a Christian nation. Christians in the US, some of them, want to visit holy sites in Israel and vacation there during certain times of the year, during Passover, Pentecost and Easter, during Hanukah and Christmas. It's not just Jewish Americans who have an interest in that area of the world. It's Christians too, who visit there and want guaranteed safety. Israelis try to make the area safer for tourists. Christians in the US want to support Israel because of this. The whole world doesn't have a phobia, you know, and doesn't share the paranoia that grips Europeans.

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We don't need another Kosovo crisis.
Tusk is a strange name for a polish PM. Doesn't sound like a polish last name at all.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I am just saying, not everyone believes these lies. Most Americans do not. Europe has had a history of sending people away, not just jewish people, all kinds of people from all the European countries. Europeans on this board overlook that. What is the deal with Europe getting tired of people and then thinking they should just go away? Go someplace else or worse. It just looks sociopathic.

You want to criticize Israel? Why not criticize the US, Canada, Australia, Mexico, and the list goes on and on and on.
All these places were occupied by people that Europe didn't want. Israel is another one of these places. It's the exact same thing. You don't want people to live in Europe and you complain when they live elsewhere. There isn't any choice, is there?

You are going to criticize the colonies Europe created?
Every single one of these places had indigenous peoples who faced occupation before the Europeans left the boats.

News / The new Polish government is going to do... reprivatisation [25]

Seanus, recompensation is a fact of life, better cowboy up as the rednecks say, lol. Recompensation happens everywhere. It happens in the US and it is not a destabilizing influence. Someone gets ripped off, they sue and the government pays them. That is soooo normal and typical. Poland is NOT the only country that goes thru this sort of thing. WELCOME TO EARTH!!!

The US, where I live, is always recompensating and is in a continual state of recompensation.
These things you complain about are just part of living on earth, lol. Is there one country in the developed world that hasn't had to recompensate someone somewhere? Listen, if Poles feel wronged, they should be more demanding, sue the government and jump on the recompensation bandwagon like everyone else.