News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Well, regardless of the reason, Britain's fourth leading ally, Poland, wasn't represented in the parade.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


You mean google is a pathetically bad liar? Google is where I got the info.

News / Interview by Krzystof Darewicz of Rzeczpiospolita (Polish Newspaper) [22]


Oh, I thought you meant the guy posting under the user name Joe Pilsudski's real name is Tusk and he wrote his thesis on Pilduski and thus considers himself an expert.

Still, you have to consider what you are posting. Why would you believe there is a zionist conspiracy. There is a European conspiracy, yes, but not a zionist one. Europeans have conspired to destroy the world for centuries now ;) ;) ;) ;) ;-)

News / Interview by Krzystof Darewicz of Rzeczpiospolita (Polish Newspaper) [22]

If he wrote his thesis on Pilsudski and posts like that he must not have understood the words he wrote. Whomever is posting under that name is mistaken and is spreading the kind of ignorance that causes people to want to commit terrorist acts, bombings, etc. It is that ignorance that causes people to commit the acts and it's an endless cycle.

Joe Pilsudski was a brilliant politician, and a wise man. Whomever is posting with his name is not doing him justice, judging by the posts. Most of the posts are based on ignorant myths perpetuated by thoughtless, careless, people who do not care about others. They do not care. Those false beliefs goad people into commiting the acts causing more misery for everyone.

That guy doesn't understand the philosophy of Pilsudski if he is going to ignorantly point the finger at the US, Israel and Britain as the cause of terrorism. That is the biggest crock of bs and it causes people to blow themselves up. That guy is a fool. He should think twice before posting his ignorant drivel.

News / POLES the BLACKS of EUROPE? [104]


I don't agree with the statement that poles are the blacks of Europe because it's one of those blanket statements uttered to cause distress.

What's depressing is that it causes distress. What's wrong with a darker person? Nothing at all.

News / Interview by Krzystof Darewicz of Rzeczpiospolita (Polish Newspaper) [22]


Do you know anything about Pilsudski? You reek of irony.
Your statements are mere hogwash. You are so full of it. This is the attitude that has caused soooooo many problems internationally. I have no idea if you are in the US, but you are very ignorant and you have no right to the name Joe Pilsudski who was a thousand times the person you.

P.S. why don't you ditch the name Pilsudski and use the name Hitler if you are going to post such garbage.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Poland was not represented in the parade. Neither was the U.S.S.R. Tito wasn't either. Poland was not represented in that parade and that is a fact and if you do not believe me, you, sir, can google it.

News / Is the E.U. good for Poland?? [180]

Lol, that is ironic, eh? Is Hans-Gert Pöttering saying President Klaus compared the EU to the Soviet Union? I don't really think it's the same. For one thing, EU is more open. Maybe they could be more open with Russia, though? Good point. Maybe they are just more open with different people but still the same?

News / Is the E.U. good for Poland?? [180]

Poland is better off staying with the EU. Splintering off into a smaller slavic alliance wouldn't be a good idea because EU will always have more influence. Sovietism has already been tried.

History / Ancient Polish History thread [180]

Now this is something Poland should be proud of: It's Kings. A string of good hearted, descent rulers back in the days of Kingdomhood. A fine example the rest of the world would be wise to follow, eh?

News / England and Poland are friends [28]


I agree. It was about grudges and older conflicts between Poland and Russia and Poland and Germany or Prussia. I think Stalin and Hitler both had the past in mind to some extent. Old Empires like you typed.

That, and I am sure Poland aquiring Gdańsk and the signing of Mutual Assistance worried Hitler and stirred his bolshevik paranoia. In Hitler's mind, the Bolsheviks were behind Poland getting the revered sea port, probably.

He thought Britain was caving into Bolsheviks, even though the threat was more imagined than real.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


The Poles were unrepresented, along with Yugoslavia and the U.S.S.R. It was a slap in the face, for sure. Britain didn't acknowledge those three nations in the parade, even though Poles fought alongside British.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


I am not trying to offend you. This is a discussion about history. A historical event, the meaning of it, the mistakes made, the significance.

America wasn't perfect either. Americans didn't want to be bothered at first either, that is true, plus there was Japanese aggression posing a threat.

I think we all would be much better off examining the past and learning from it.
Seanus, you made a valid point. I've noticed it myself. It seems like people repeat history no matter what, sometimes.
Maybe more discussions like this would make people more aware?

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Only because of a thread I saw when I first visited the PF. The attitudes and sentiments seemed so...well...hateful. Forum members mentioned many of the people who post here are from other places, other than Poland.

My name describes how I feel about particular posts I saw in the thread I read when I first visited PF.
My name has nothing to do with this particular thread.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

As General Ironside commented in 1945, after much of Europe was in ruins, "Militarily we should have gone all out against the German the minute he invaded Poland. ... We did not ... And so we missed the strategical advantage of the Germans being engaged in the East. We thought completely defensively and of ourselves."[21] And so they did.

USA, Canada / What Polish americans think about case of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich? [5]

It doesn't seem real to me. I thought he was making jokes about selling Obama's seat when I heard about it on the news. (he wasn't being serious) It's hard to imagine someone being so blatant and overt about selling a political seat in this day and age.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

By March of 1939 Britain was equipped to go to war and promised to defend Poland. In January 1939, the navy had been strengthened and production of planes had been increased; in February, defence spending was increased to £580 million. If Britain could do all that, why couldn't they invade Germany???? They could have if they really wanted to. No excuses!!

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Britain should have invaded Germany!!!! That is the assistance. Anything short of ground invasion was inadequate. Being home to the government in exile simply wasn't enough.

As far as Gdańsk goes, it doesn't matter. Germans and Poles share land around the borders of the two countries. This is an example of past European confusion. Let's look at a place in the US, Texas. Let's say El Paso Texas is 95% Mexican. I don't know if it is but that's really close. It is so close to Mexico but it's in the US. Lots of Mexicans live there. Does that mean the US should give El Paso to Mexico??? Does the US owe Mexico El Paso just because lots of Mexicans chose to and choose to live there?

It's absurd!!! It's the same thing!!! EXACTLY THE SAME PRINCIPLE.

Okay, let's go a step further. Lots of Mexicans living in El Paso, Texas. Suddenly Mexico decides they want El Paso. The Mexican authority suddenly demands El Paso from the US on the basis that most who live there are Mexican. They might not even be citizens of Mexico, they just have their roots in Mexico. Their heritage is Mexican, and their language, culture...you get the idea. Do you really think the US is going to hand over El Paso to Mexico on such demands????

It's completely absurd.
Using the same argument Germany used in favor of aquiring Gdańsk, do you think Mexico would gain El Paso from the US with the same argument? Okay, let's say by some outrageous fluke it works and Mexico gets El Paso because it's mostly Mexican. They get Austin to listen, and Washington DC. Representatives listen to both sides and decide El Pasons wants to be Mexican and they can belong to Mexico.

Suddenly Mexico realizes all it has to do is make a big enough demand and they can aquire towns from the US. They decide to try for Del Rio, Langtry, etc. They get those using the same argument, mostly Mexican.

Where does it end? What if the US decided to move a bunch of Americans to London and then demand London belong to the US. Why not, it's mostly American. Does the US get London because of that??? It's lame. It's not a valid reason.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Harry you are just posting to be anti polish. Your objective is to bash Poles. Poland had no obligation to hand over Gdańsk to das deutsches. Besides, I don't think it would matter much if they did. I don't think das Deutsches wanted to fight a war for Gdańsk and Gdańsk alone.

You are neglecting to address:

In August, 1939, an agreement of mutual assistance was signed between Great Britain and Poland. It also involved Northern Ireland.
U.K. and Northern Ireland pledged to help Poland if Poland were attacked.

This was the real reason. Das Deutsches felt threatened by this alliance.

You haven't a leg to stand on now, Harry. That agreement explains Britain's obligation to Poland. No denying it!!!

Link to info on french/british betrayal of Poland:

worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/reading/history/polandbetrayal.htm

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


If that's the case, why do so many Poles say otherwise? There must be a descrepancy somewhere or Poles would not complain. Why would Poles make it up and complain without any reason? There must be some validity to it.

Poland, Yugoslavia, and the U.S.S.R. were not represented among the allies at the parade. That is a fact. Why was that? What message did that send?

In my earlier post I included France in my lists of countries who failed but I question this. I don't think France failed. France made an effort.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Actually, it's logical that Poles would be given the cold shoulder. (although I don't agree with it) At the time, being warmer and friendlier to anti communists would have sent a clear message to Stalin. Perhaps Britain was concerned how this would look? This was before the start of the cold war, after all. No one knew things would chill the way they did later. Maybe Britain's hope was having an ally in the Soviets? Why not be honest? Soviets were powerful, what interest would Britain have in alienating them? Although it did happened, eventually. Just be honest about Britain's role. They were as political as anyone else at the time.

Strange irony is, by giving Poland the cold shoulder, Britain, inadvertently, might have been swaying more in Poland toward Soviet control, thinking they had no ally in the British. Considering how Britain, France and US failed Poland and other eastern European countries during WWII, maybe they had a reason to believe this?

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


I cannot believe how cold. You can't be serious!!! I will never understand you Europeans.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


Well. whatever the reason Poles must have felt slighted or they wouldn't complain.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Such a lie!!! Another fallacy. HOW, exactly, did Poland "wind" up Britain?
It's just a lame excuse certain Britons use to justify themselves.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


It wasn't so much a land issue as a human rights issue. Das Deutsches had absolutely NO RIGHT to enter POLAND and start the process of putting everyone into KZ.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


Harry, I don't think you can blame poles for Hitler's rise to power, which is what B.B. did. It might not lie in the German electorate, either, but certainly not with the people living in Poland!

However, there is this one stipulation: At some point Hitler did become very popular and somehow developed an enduring cult of personality. How do you explain it? Fault lies with Das Deutsches there...

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


Let me clarify: Hitler was elected to the Reichstag in 1933 as leader of the National Sozialistische Deutsches Arbeiterpartei.

He was elected by das Deutsches to the Reichstag in 1933. Hindenberg appointed him Chancellor.

Hitler head butted his way in:

On January 30, 1933, President Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler chancellor of Germany. Although the National Socialists never captured more than 37 percent of the national vote, and even though they still held a minority of cabinet posts and fewer than 50 percent of the seats in the Reichstag, Hitler and the Nazis set out to to consolidate their power. With Hitler as chancellor, that proved to be a fairly easy task.

Hitler was a thug, didn't get the majority of votes when he ran for chancellor of Germany twice. Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor because:

Hitler and his fellow members of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party, who were determined to bring down the republic and establish dictatorial rule in Germany, did everything they could to create chaos in the streets, including initiating political violence and murder. The situation got so bad that martial law was proclaimed in Berlin.

So, you see, he and fellow thugs were elected to the Reichstag, weren't very popular, but rose to absolute power anyway.

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

B.B...Was wäre eine richtige Übersetzung? Das da wäre?

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


Oh it's true that treaty was a joke but still, Deutsches elected Hitler. You cannot blame Poland for who gets elected to office in Deutschland.

Did you ever think Deutsches would have been better off just paying the debt instead of rapidly devaluing the currency? You Deutsches should have stuck with Weimar. Stayed with Weimar, paid the debt and moved on. But NOOOOO you couldn't do that, could you?????

News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]


Expansionist tactics of Germany. This is why Germany didn't deserve Gdańsk. Greedy Deutsches wanted the port all for themselves and their greed only to leave Poland with NOTHING!!!