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Prince   
1 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

That isn't the point Lukasz...it isn't about who presents the best What-If scenario!

You present-if scenario was worst than real proposal made by Hitler for Poland... that is the point and this better proposal was rejected.

Hitler had no beef with GB and even harbored sympathy...if it were for him there wouldn't had been any conflict with GB.

You know Germany in 1939 had such ideology ... but there is also european tradition.
In europe there is tradtion "beat the king" so when one of european powers is stronger and stronger others make aliance to beat "the king". For example in far east there is tradition of cooperating with "the king"...

but now we are in europe and Germany with whole contnental europe in hands wasn't in British business. (avoiding whole ideology of Nazi Germany).
Prince   
1 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I want to say that you can try to build different aliances to be the biggest power in europe but sooner or later other european powers are going to make aliance to beat you (in some way) ... even your proposals for some of them seem to be good if not perfect ... it is old tradtion.
Prince   
1 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Yes you can try to prove that Poland would have done exactly what her alies have done in 1945 but ... :)

Hitler gave Poland better proposal than just peace and symphaty.

Germany would establish a protectorate over the Baltic States (which at that time were still independent), Soviet Belorussia, Soviet Ukraine east of the Dniepr river, the Kuban region, and the Caucasus region. Poland would annex Soviet Ukraine up to the Dniepr river.

It was rejected. It is historical fact.
Prince   
1 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Would had Poland honored their alliance even at the cost of their own destruction?

In your question there is war game with the result. Suggesting that Poles would be suicide warriors or traitors. Both show Poland in bad light. Asked for details you answer ... no war games.
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

Look on Russian. He is typical.

It is not problem that they are semi-slavic and we should cooperate with them. The problem is that they have learned to rob other neighbours. Now when oil prices go down ... maybe another lesson like in 90's will teach them something.
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

I mean that ... Nord Sream means that Russians have Poland in their hands ... So aliance is going to be made in some way... Europe has Poland deep in her a ss. Nord Stream is the best prove. American domination is the best for Poland but ... America is weaker... Germans play in different team.

1) Aliance with America and close EU-American ties are the best for Poland or Czech republic

2) If Europe is going to build Nord Stream ... Russia is going to be second choice. Russia is anti western ... so Poland will be in such aliance.

Lets hope we are going to get more gas from Norway and green industry but now it seems that we don't have support in so called EU.

Poland is not idealogicaly against the west but it seems that "european west" doesn't treat Poland as part of family ...
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

Exactly! Poles are idiots thinking that we want to include them in our state. These stupid thoughts are pushing them to interfer in russians affairs. As a result, it will bring them to open conflict with Russia. The result is obvious.

No but when you will supply Germany and France by gas pipe line which is several times more expenisve and dangerous (there are some other than economical reasons to avoid Poland and baltic states) ... we are going to be in Russian team... Poland will be independent ect but ... we are going to play on Russian side.

You hate and fear the new pipeline, but once it's build you want to be chums with Russia???

Read above statements. In my opinion we can clearly say stah Germans calculete this pipe line as good toll to control political situation in europe but all countries on east from Germany are going to play in Russian team. Some countries strongly oppose this project but ... Germans don't ... and Germans will pay for their decisions.
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

This pipe line is 4 times more expenisve than normal pipe line. This pipe line is dangerous for enviroment. This is politicial pipe line.

Germans as it would be your future chums, the russians, blocking the delivery of gas and oil, using it for blackmail, not Germany..

You give them tool and you know that.. That is why you are going to pay for that. Poland dependent on Russian supplies and avoided by new gas pipie lines will be in Russian team.
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

Actually would you be more accomodating to Russia AND Germany NOW, the nordstream pipeline might never have been become a topic!

But it is topic and now we need to play our cards somewhere... and Russian gas from Germans means concesions for Russia and rof Germany. Russian gas from Russians means concesions only for Russians... simple.
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

You build pipe line jut to avoid Poland. Now Russians can't cut off Poland because they will cut off you ...

Nord Stream is 3-4 times more expenisve than alternative way thorught baltic states. What is more it is dangerous for enviroment.

I am just telling you consequences of such project...
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

As far as I know Russia never just "cut off" delivery...About what are you so afraid? So paranoid? Remember these are the sameRussians who you want to get chummy with...

They have threaten do do so durring war in Georgia. Germany build 3 times more expenisve pipe line just to avoid Poland and Baltic states. I just show you future result of such action... Germany will cry because this poker is going to look much different than you think.
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

Now we are going to build what ever we want with who ever we want on our Polish soil. Germany is not realiable partner. This pipe line is 3 times more expenive than alternative pipe line. South Stream has the same aims.

Germany makes great business but in result we are going to be dependent on Russia... so it is better to make better deals with them than with this whole weak corrupted EU...

BB trust me this pipe line is very bad for europe and especialy for Germany ...

If we don't play in one team ...
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

If we play in one team so we should play in one team ... It is not Germanophobia. Gaspipe line avoiding whole our region is very dangerous for our safty. It is anti-Polish. If you prefere Russia than other EU members ...

One of results of Nord Stream can what I've been talking before.
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

1.) WHY is this pipeline dangerous for Poland

It is dangerous for our natural enviroment and energetic safety.

2.) WHY do you conclude therefore an alliance with Russia would be a good idea...

It will be one of possible results.
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

It is dangerous for Polands "energetic safety"...because???

Because it is much safer for Poland to have gas pipe line which secure west with gas. Pipe line which avoids Poland makes us feel that we are in danger especialy that Russian policiticans so many times claimed that they are going to use gas pipe lines as political tool. Not to mention natural enviroment. This pipe line is several times more expensive than alternative.

And why would an alliance with Russia therefore a good idea?

It may be the result of this pipe line...
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

Bratwurst Boy

Poland is democratic country member of EU and NATO. Russia is country supporting all different regimes ... Russia is your friend ... nothing new ...

Poland abusing and using Germany's pipeline through Poland to Russia = GOODGermany avoiding that and building a new pipeline = BAAAADRussia using pipeline to possible blackmail but still alliance worthy with Poland!

The problem is that if this pipe line becomes true we will do everything to make you CRY. It is Polish tradition.

Becuse everybody knows what is the aim of this pipe line.

Poland cuting off western Europe is your bad joke... Russia balckmailing Poland will is reality ...

If you trust more for Russia ... well it is your choice but don't come to Poland and don't talk about anny strategies ect.

This pipe line is stab in our back ...

To be honest I prefere aliances with Americns or Russians... than so called German leaded EU ...
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

And I am just telling you to be very careful because at the end ... there may be Russian sex party in Berlin ... as it was in the past ... but at the begining there was such love between Russia and Germany ...

If you think you can punish us just because we are more pro american than you ... well Dutch and Danish send more troops with Americans like Poles because all this cuntries are your neighbours we know each other so good

... such projects like this pipe lines don't help you ...
Prince   
2 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

Just leave us alone!

:)

Just leave our Baltic Sea and your nuclear wastes there ... Sweden is against Nord Stream because they love nature ... without Sweden ... there will be no Nord Stream...

I always knew that Swedes are normal people ...