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From: without work, Lünen at Dortmund
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Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

Of course, everyone who does not think the German State and the German concerns for the true followers of Jesus is crazy, is ill!

That matches exactly the concept of German Psychiatrie that defines criticers of German State as psychotic.

There is no other country in the world where so many highest intelligent people are sitting in Psychiatrie as in Germany.

I personally think you are not right in the head and are deeply in need of psychatric help, the Internet is not good for you!

Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

I know because of enquiries. The case of Rüdiger Jung is a good example. He has been put into Psychiatrie, the BGH (highest court in Germany) has written that the judification to put him into Psychiatrie would be wrong, but he should stay in Psychiatrie furthermore because it would be possible that they would find reasons for that in future.

Nice, isn't it?

That way they can everyone throw into Psychiatrie - perhaps it will be possible to find reasons later.
Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

Oh, they have only not been good enough for being successful. My publishing of the case of Rüdiger Jung and sending informations about that and about other things to foreign ambassadors are a few of the reasons for not sitting in Psychiatrie this time.
Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

They have given their best to make me silent, but it has not been enough up to now. I do not stand alone, the best people of Germany and even some of the best people of other countries are standing very closely at my side.

They do really love me!!!!

Because I write words like the following, for instance:

No German Power outside Germany, asides the Power of true friendship and true love!
Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

Bratwurst Boy, Your background-people should substitute You by a more intelligent person. This thread is set under Google using SOBOTTKA POLISH FORUM on top and people of at least 15 countries are reading what You are writing. And they see with their own eyes that You have only two aims: To traverse the existence of SS-Satanists and criminal acting of German State and German concerns and, on the other side, to defame me. They can count one and one to two.
Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

On the 4th of July 2007 I was visited by the office-Psychiatrist of the "Kreis" Unna, Dr. Matthias Cleef, and two members of an office of the town of Lünen. They wanted to get a reason for throwing me into Psychiatrie. I refused them to enter my appartement, we talked to one another on the stairway. At last Dr. Matthias Cleef had to give an answer to the following question by me:"What reason do You have because of that what I have done that You want to treat me following § 9 PsychKG"? He answered:"None, because of that I am here!" I sent them all back, a femal neighbour had heard every word we had spoken. Since that day Dr. Cleef is not interested in doing any thing in my subjects.

Although they have tried to give their best: The 4th of July 2007 has been the 666th birthday of the town of Lünen.

Shop Girl, You cannot imagine how many spells and curses Satanists have tried to send against me - they all did return to them, there have been illness and dead on their sides. You don't believe? You must not.

Oh yeah! Duh!
*slaps hand against forehead*

Guess I better get in the kitchen then and start working on a big spell!

Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

SS-Satanist is right, as Himmler, Eichmann, Dr. Mengele were, too. The KKK is also satanic, SS-Satanists are not the only Satanists in this world.
Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

A Germany dominated by SS-Satanists is a very, very good reason for Polish people not to buy German goods. And that is the subject of this thread, isn't it?

Wish you would all stop it ! Can you imagine if any new members come here or someone wishes to join POLISH FORUMS and they see all this rubbish !

They'll wonder what on earth this is all about and what has it to do with Poland.

:(

Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

A Germany that breaks it's own laws, that murders and put people in prison and psychiatrie against it's laws is rubbish? Yes, You can say so. But to report about that is not rubbish, that is criticism. And criticism is a necessary part of discussion. And discussion is the subject of a forum. So why delete such important things?

Do remember: Bratwurst and so on have started to kill true informations with wishy-washy. That went wrong. And only because of that You have come up and want to get all deleted.

exactly, there isn't much more to be said to be honest. Its rubbish like this ADMIN need to delete

Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

Bratwurst, the German Justice and the German Police are uncovered as most criminal organisations. Why not talking about that?

to tornado2007: There can always be only one truth, and every standpoint that does not match the truth is wrong.
Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

To our Sisters and Brothers of all nations!

Cases as that one of Rüdiger Jung, see an earlier entry in this thread, or, If You are able to understand German, Google using: RÜDIGER JUNG CLAUS PLANTIKO, and as the case NADINE O. MORD WETTER/RUHR, see an earlier entry in this thread which contains links to entries on other pages in German language, are the real proofs that German Justice and German Police are working with lies and falsifying of facts and proofs, are murdering and false sentencing, are really not better then SS has been before the 8th of May 1945. Only one difference: Up to May 1945 they could do their crimes to public knowing, since the end of War they have to do it hidden, bluffing the world and their own people about that.

Infomations to several ambassadors of other conutries, information to the Jewish Assiciation and publishings in the Internet, in German language, but mostly on Servers in the USA and in Denmark has been a shock wave to German SS: Angela Merkel does not dare to accuse other countries because of abuse of human rights.

My Sisters and Brothers in Germany have begun that fight of demasking German SS more than two years ago, we are fighting that battle for the sake of the whole world, because we are not willed to accept anything other than true justice and true reason, we don't want any human suffering that can be averted, we don't want dominators and domiated ones, we wish that all people around the whole world will be true Sisters and Brothers!

At this moment we are not standing alone, not only Anarchists of other countries are supporting us - very different people are going to understand that mankind is standing at a precipice and has to go other ways in future.

So we appeal to You all to go the way which we are going, to fight evilness and to fight for true friendship and true love! A very important condition is the freedom of information and opinion, today You could see how SS-Satanists in this forum gave their best to kill information and opinion! They know why: The true freedom of information and opinion and discussion will be the beginning of the end of any unrighteousness!

Unrighteousness can only grow and live in the dark and in the fog, but it can't stand in the light!

Please fight with us for a world wide overcoming, I would like to hear wonderful Joan Baez singing "We have overcome" so very, very much!

Don't buy German goods as long as Germany fights down the freedom of information and opinion and as long as Germany is going to occupy other countries with it's money and as long as German Justice and German Police act criminal!

Every Euro You give them gives them more Power! And that Power they are using to fight us all! So don't give them Your money!

We love You all!

By the name of German Anarchists

Winfried Sobottka, Karl-Haarmann-Straße 75, 44536 Lünen, BR-Deutschland
Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

Haven't You been that one setting the movie about Nazis's murdering?

You should have more arguments not to buy German products: What will be if Germany is going on buying Poland step by step? Every people has to hold his own land in it's own hands! If German concerns are the owners of Poland, they will do to Polish people what ever they want! Do You really think the whole Ghost of SS had died on 8th of May 1945? What could be the reason for German concerns to buy Poland step by step? Can You imagine a good reason for that?

No country should buy more from other countries then it can sell to other countries, cause more buying than selling leads to dependence and slavery at last!

That Poland is weaken is no wonder: It has been occupied from Germans or Russians the most time in the last centuries, and it is really a problem for Poland up to now that German SS has given it's best to kill the highest intelligence of Poland.

That is a point where Germany is bound to help Poland by transfering know how for free and giving help to use that know how for free. That should be a demand of Polish government, we Anarchists would support that.

Going back to German products, In my opinion Poles should buy their products because after communism polands "business" was weak and there is need to strenghten it. Going back to German products. Why ?

Lets listen argumentation Germans give when it comes to Nord Stream. IT IS JUST BUSINESS. I see it as our national interest, so we should send signal that it is wrong way. It shouldn't be verbal signal but simple economical signal like small depresion in export to Poland what is more whole central europe durring recession.
sounds cool

Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / Poland boycotts German goods? [266]

Honestly, the Catholic Church is not really better than SS-Satanists, but I don't think to be able t declare that to You. Annother point is that those whom You call pagan-Nazis are using every chance to drive this thread away from it's subject, but You do not recognise.

Okyou have catched me with this aquarius but I don't study astrology but I have some basic knowledge (in some way you have catched me, point for you). With this New Test you have made enourmous mistake !!! (no points).

Sobottka   
12 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

The world's economic is running faster and faster! We all must globalize what ever should be the price! If there are needs to make war in Afghanistan or Iraque, in Kasachstan, Africa or wherever - hesitation would be deadly, the soldiers are to go to all frontiers with all power! Of course - there will be some collateral damages - here 200 children and women, there a few huts with civilists, sometimes own soldiers getting killed by friendly fire, but that has not to matter! Globalization is worthy paying every price, human lifes und health haven't to count!

In this situation it is a serious question: What has Poland to offer to the world's market? Only gherkins and sausage? Or what else?
Sobottka   
13 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

No one really thinks that my words about globalization and wars weren't ironacally. But the evil truth is that they contain the measure of true politic.

Otherwise I haven't opened this threat to talk about wars but to talk about Polish chances. I am an Economical, have worked as an EDV-Expert and as a consultant for years and I am an Insider of Markets. And so I want to give my best to explain strategies that could be very useful for Poland and other countries as Poland, for Czech, Moldova, Slovakia and so on.

The dominating people in Germany, France and so on are altogether not interested in a real coming up of Poland and so on. They would be only concurrents. And especially the dominating people in Germany do not want a strong Poland, they want Poland as weak as possible to buy it cheap and to dominate it. That is the real truth.

Before I will explain my suggstestions to You, I want to explain something for better understanding. The economics are lieing regarding important points, so they affirm that free market-economics are the way for best using of all resources.

You can easily see that this is wrong: The producers of goods aren't interested in producing goods You can use forever, they are interested in producing goods that You will not use forever, the earlier You buy a new good from them, the better.

The aim in free market-economics is thus not to ensure best using of resources, but to maximize profit without regarding further conditions. That is the way to kill mankind, but that is the way that those countries which do not wish a strong Poland, a strong Czech, a strong Moldavia, a strong Slovakia, a strong Serbia and so on are following.

The first messages from me to You all is: On that way Poland, Czech and so on will have no chances, because Germany, France, Britain and so on have all advantages on their sides: Much more money, much better infra-structures, much better connections.

Is there any one among You having any objections up to now? I will give the next entry later, and I ask You to make a good discussion with me, it is a really important thing!
Sobottka   
13 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

Globalisation could be fair and must be fair and that is one of the reasons I am writing here. Otherwise no one should be so naive to think EU-money for Poland would be a present - it was the mean to attract Poland coming to the EU, it is a mean to keep Poland in the EU, and it is a mean of making Poland dependent from the EU. The EU-money is not given by Jesus or Franz of Assissi.

Have a look at poor states in Africa that are receiving money from the World's Bank and from states as the FRG for decades and then analyse what kind of effects it has given: They are still poor, but absolutely dependent on the goodwill of World's Bank and on the goodwill of states as the FRG.

Nice outlook for Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Moldavia, Romania, Serbia, Croatia and so on?

Globalisation is not always fair and a free market still an illusion, but without globalisation Poland would not get any money from the EU.

Sobottka   
13 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

Right, dcchris, so let us try to find an intelligent solution to override capitalism not by annother wrong ideology, but by reason and humanity. You and all other ones who want to get that aim are asked now to give their best in this discussion! First I will bring in some basics of a successful strategy, not in abstract words, but easily to understand. And then, so I hope, we will have a common discussion to get to practical ways to procedures, that people in Poland and other countries with the same problems can use next day, tomorrow or one day later.

Cause I do not want always mention the name of all nations/states with those problems I hope You will agree that I will mention Poland furthermore only, the reason is only not to write so much, not that I wouldn't respect the other nations minor than Poland!

capitalism is unfair it is the survival of the strong darwinism if u will

The first rule must be: Do not be proud of demonstrating that You can buy expensive goods, cause that is a way the capitalists can take best use of Your income!

The truth is: Poland needs investitions, and every Pole can give any Euro to have consume or to invest! The clever Pole drives a car if he needs a car, but he drives a car at low costs, it doesn't matter to him whether the neighbour has a bigger or newer car or not. He is self-confident cause he is able to think and he is righteous, he doesn't need a big car, expensive cloths or other things like that for his self-confidence.

And because he is able to think, he gives his best to develope Poland to a country where he and his children will have a happy and safety future!

The more clever Poles, the better will be the developement.
Sobottka   
13 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

Probably You may be the only Pole in this forum who has recognised the problem for himself. But it is a light of hope that the others might be able to understand, too.

The truth is, that Polish people will have to act in community and lead by the spirit of community if they don't want to come under the wheels of subtile but very evil acting capitalism of today. It is only another kind of war, but You all should know that this is not a war of nations against nations on the other side, it is a war the rich against all others. I am a German, as You know, but I will act in this war as a true brother of all righteous people in the world, so as a true brother of all righteous Poles, too. Poland must be in the hands of Poles, not in the hands of foreigners.

I will write more at night or tomorrow, there are some things to do outside my home.

ok well what poland needs is not more foreign investment but to take control of its own business. look at all these big banks here which are foreign owned it is tough to find a bank which is actually polish and how about the telecom companies?

I want to give You a first hint: The capitalists don't give the consumers that what they really want. That is a condition for selling more and more, for instance, that You never could buy products that are of use for Your whole life. That is the reason that fashion changes and so on.

You have to look at those things: Which products can You make better in a way the capitalists refuse to go? Only on that field You can beat them, but not on their own fields!

For instance: Buy a coffee machine from Philipps or Siemens. The can is made of very thinn glass. It is only a subject of time that You will damage the can. Then You can decide whether buying a new can or a new coffee machine. A new can for a Philipps coffee machine costs around 18 Euro. If a buy a glass full of Polish Gerkhins I have to pay minor then 2 Euro, for Gherkins and glass together. The Gherkins' glass is much better than the Philipps-coffee-can - nearly undestroyable.

That is one example only, there are so much examples for making products better in a way the captalists refuses to go! Taken Polish undertakings would specialize to do that way, so that would bring to advantages: The Poles theirself would save on consumers costs, and they would have an advantage in export.
Sobottka   
13 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

Why should I get banned? Please tell us the reason for that, Dekameron!

Why is Sobottka still not banned ?

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You Poles should better not have believed in the fairy stories You have heard by Uncle Gerhard Schröder and Aunt Angela Merkel. In Germany are living millions of people in pauperism because the rich ones in Germany cannot get enough. You Poles should finish dreaming and crying and start thinking and doing, then and only then You will get what You want.

Employment needs goods that can be sold and safety jobs can only ly in the hands of those one who are doing the job: What brings a foreign factory in Poland if it is going the way of rationalising up to that point when robots are doing the work? And what brings a foreign factory in Poland when the managers say: "Sorry, but it will be cheaper to produce in India furthermore, we have to say Good Bye!" ?

Those incorporations who are buying Polish ground and infra-structure do not do that cause they want that young Polish people will get their own houses but to make profit only. That will not change, whether You like it or not.

I think Poland should think more on its employment issues. As the younger generation and people who seek their own home increases... Poland must look into this matter deeply.

Sobottka   
13 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

Anarchy means that all are thinking, all are discussing and all are deciding. I don't know a better way to get the best decisions that are possible.

Would anyone here prefer the decisions of German capitalists as laws for Poland?
Sobottka   
13 Sep 2008
News / The advantages and good reputation of Polish workers [45]

Polish people have the following good reputations in Germany and I must say that those are true regarding my own experiences:

1. They are good workers, women as men, meaning they know how to do, their hands are ably and they get the necessary ideas if there are any problems. They can improvise well.

2. They can work disciplined and they are assiduos.

3. They can work hard if they think that it must be, they are tough.

If this all is really true, and I think it is, then they could give the best work in every way. What do You think of that?
Sobottka   
14 Sep 2008
News / The advantages and good reputation of Polish workers [45]

Yes, the same think I. And not only made in Poland: The same is to say about other Slavonian people, too. My father had told me about those abilities of Russian prisoners of war who had been his colleagues in a coal-mine during World War II. The SS there treatend those Russians badly, but the normal workers as my father did not: Working there was dangerous, the workers were bound tight together and German workers brought, even it was harshly forbidden by the SS, food from home cause the Russians did not get enough to eat from the SS. The Russians thanked them by making useful things for home - it was unbelievable what they could build out of what.

There is a reason for those abilities: The people of the Slavs have been exploided very hardly for hundreds of years - by their own upper-classes or by others. So they had no other chance than learning to work hard, to improvise and so on.

Well, honestly, I think if the observations made are true, and the general Polish population lives up to those statements; we could turn "made in Poland" into a very attractive label.

Poland has an advantage that may sound cynically, but it is a real advantage in special situations: Poland is living in need and in fear. And that can give Polish people the power to open new ways.
Sobottka   
14 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

Gab, You are defaming me and trying to agitate Poles against me. The truth is that Poles, Czechs and so on are not to be begrudged in this times and that there are many Germans and so on lieing to them because of very unfine reasons. I want to tell them the truth and I do not only give statesments but give my best to name the reasons for those statements,too.

I do not think that any people of any nation are more or minor worthy than any others, and I don't think me to be the best or something like that. I belong to the Anarchists and among us there or the very most intelligent women and men around the whole world. I myself do not belong to the very most intelligent ones, but that doesn't matter: We Anarchists all want the same and that is true justice/righteousness and true reason for all people around the world and true unity among all people around the world.

Furthermore: If You want to defame me or to agitate against me then please open a special thread for that. The subject of this thread is to present ways for a good and righteous economic for countries like Poland, and we German Anarchists hope for countries as Poland, because if they would go the right ways, countries as Germany would be forced to follow by time. Mankind is going to kill herself, that must be finished as soon as possible.

By the name of German Anarchists

Winfried Sobottka, a speaker of Anarchists in Austria and in FRG, which together build our German Motherland.

Sobottka,

You're kidding, right?

I had written the last entry in very short time in an Internet-Café so there is a mistke I couldn't correct later but I want to do it this way:

I belong to the Anarchists and among us there are the very most intelligent women and men around the whole world.

Jesus was an Anarchist, Sokrates was an Anarchist, Gelileo Galilei was an Anarchist, Sophie Scholl was an Anarchist, Albert Einstein was an Anarchist.

And I want to supplement one fact: Following our Genoms/our nature there is only one measure for the worth of human beings: Righteous and prepared to give their best to mankind - or not. All other measures make us frustrated, ill and evil.

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No I want to give examples for a better economy, later I will write about necessary conditions if a better economy shall be for the use of all people and not for the richdom of some people only: It would not be a real advantage for the Polish People if a few Poles would be the richest people all over the whole world - You ca see that in Germany! The whole income of Germans as the whole richdom of Germans is much hiher the ebver before. But otherwise there are millions of Germans living in pauperism also much more than ever before.

First example: Polands agriculture products.

Buy a Pizza or some other meal from the freezer in a Supermarket, then go and anylyze the costs of the ingredients. Of course You'll find out that it would be much cheaper to buy the ingredients and make Your own pizza.

That means: If Poles want take most advantage out of their agriculturing they have to refine their elemental products to products as freezed meals for instance. So they would have more to do in Poland and would get money for that work by selling their freezer meals.

People in Germany, Britain, France and so on buy lots of freezer meals. If the quality is good and well documentated (declaration of ingredients, mentioned if biological), they would buy Polish freezer meals as well as any others.

Countries as Great Britain have made their richdom over centuries by buying basic materials around the world and forming them to end-products. Those countries that only sold her basic-materials have kept in pauperism with the exception of the oil-exporting countries.
Sobottka   
14 Sep 2008
News / The advantages and good reputation of Polish workers [45]

And in a polish ruled world you get sterilized as to not have children, idiocy should be cut out at the root, or pants in this case.

I don't think that You are Polish. I think You are a very crazy German. SS German. Why don't You go down to the street and talk to parking cars?

There is no sense in doing that way. There is only sense in building up reason and doing reasonable.

I would prefer getting statements of Poles and others who are interested in going new ways. If there will be no movement in that direction Poland will be in the hands of German capitalists next ten years.

Another advantage of Poland: Look at Germany, there are tied networks of SS-Sataniists. They cannot move, no one of them is free to decide, even the higehst one of them is not: If he would make up his mind to be no SS-Satanist any longer, they would kill him, cause he knows about horrible crimes, knows names of well kwon persons who have done horrible crimes the public do not know about.

So the System of the SS-Satanists is without any flexibility, it is like concrete. The network has builded since around 1935, integrating satanic networks that have been working for hundreds of years.

The situation in Poland is another one: There are networks, but not so large and not so deadlocked, Poland has much more flexibility.
Sobottka   
14 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

Why being so evil? Do You think it would be better for Poland selling only gherkins and sausage and hoping for Angela Merkel will be their angle?

Where are Your arguments against my words? Nowhere!

You belong to those who are fighting in this forum to make Poles naive and idiotical, that is the truth.

You are all over the map. Go ahead and work for the EU or the United Nations where you can present your opinions and get something resolved. I don't think this forum will satisfy your ambitions. Anyways, good luck to you with whatever it is you are trying to accomplish.

A little example for selling good Pizzas (or anything else)

1. You must be better than German producers if possible, but that is no problem: Nearly all of them are betraying the consumers. Mostly You don't know what You are really buying, and the politicians are not demonstrating much interest to change that by setting laws - as in other cases they declare it would be enough to appeal to the sense of responsibility of the producers/ the industry. Very nice words to say that the producers/the industry should do what ever they want. This is a real problem, one of the most intelligent members of the German Parliament (Deutscher Bundestag), Renate Künast, is going to explode about things like that.

2. You must give the consumers a full look into producing and sourcing, in times of internet not a thing that must be very expensive.

Lets take a pizza for instance:

You don't use cereal having grown up under protection of Bayer Leverkusen, BASF or any other producers of toxin. The same concerning vegetable and all other ingredients. The meat You need should be taken by oecological farming, too: Oecological agriculture and farming offer several advantages: You can sell those products for higher prices and oecological agriculture and farming spend more jobs.

You make a movie about all farmers where You buy Your Pizza-Ingredients, and that movie is to reach from Your Homepage. On every Pizza-Pack You declare using only oecological ingredients and give the advice to Your homepage.

Furthermore the production must be absolutely clean, the rooms/the interior, and the people making pizza must be dressed as nurses during an operation, using gloves and so on. It must look so fine that it should not be a problem to install cameras in the producing-rooms which sends the look into internet. That means of course that the working personal needs paid breaks, cause it is not acceptable to be watched around the day - 45 min. working, 15 minutes break, for instance.

That way Poland could sell freezed Pizzas not only for best prices, but would give a contribution to upgrade the image of Poland and it's products.

There is a problem that way that there are existing opinions in Germany that Poles are not so interested in cleaness and in professionalism of their own doing, no wonder regarding the SS-past and -presence. I myself, having a Polish name, took notice of that more than once. Those false personnel reviews are to be fought - by doing well and letting all people see it! The Internet is the cheap media to make that possible.

Having written "advantages" I didn't only mean polish workers. Being successful in markets needs more the the ability to of hands:

1. You must know what the consumers really want.

2. You must know what they can get by others.

3. You must be able to offer and distribute Your goods and to organize service if needed.

I think there are Polish Shops in nearly every German town at this time, so Poles, if working together, can have a basement regarding those three points: The sales personal has a direct relation to customers and knows about customers sorrows and wishes because of own experiences as consumers in Germany, too. There are many problems for German consumers, it is not the situation that they all are really happy about the offering in German market:

- products that cannot stand normal using for long time, although it would be possible to build products that could

- products having true weak points as for instance the phillips coffee-machines with very delicate cans, that cost around 18 Euro if You need one for substitution,

- very expensive replacement parts

- expensive attachement that You need always, You know that problem regarding original-cartridges of Hewlett-Packard for instance

- products that need to much energy because of the network between electro-factories and corporations of energy accomodation, one catchword is stand-by-function

- products that You cannot repair Yourself although it could be made easily, for instance the new cars of VW: If an electric bulb of the front light has died, a mechanician needs more than half an hour to change a new for it, a normal driver has nearly no chance to accomplish that.

The line is the following: Not the consumers wishes do count, but only the wishes of industries that want to sell as much as possible. Producers who would use that fact to give the consumers what the established concerns refuse to give them would roll up the whole market not only in Germany. Buy an ISDN-telephone by Telekom, manufactured by Siemens. Anything will make problems not in the first wo years - so long the consumer has guarantee. But not really much later. It seems really as some German corporations are doing research to produce products that way that they stand the time of guarantee but then go dead.

Often it must not be very expensive to produce better products - a glass-can for a coffee-machine could surely be produced in any existing Polish glass-factory, for instance.

There would be a market for safety electro cars, but German producers don't think about that. They are marriaged with the oil-concerns and the rich ones are interested in maximal gasoline-consumption because that is a way to let the people that are not rich pay a lots of taxes - so that the state has no need to tax the incomes of the rich ones more.

Good research of consumers wishes and good looking for niches that the established producers not are willed to fill because of any dirty reasons would be an absolutely necessary condition for true Polish success in economy.

It may seem much easier to follow the "clues" of the EU - but that would lead into the wrong direction, cause the leading nations in the EU are altogether uninterested in getting new competitors for their own corporations in Poland and so on. Poles have to think for themselves and to look for themselves and to act for themselves if they don't want to go down.

PS.: Very good ideas regarding better products are to get from: Renate Künast, Deutscher Bundestag, Berlin.

PPS. More in more toxins in the drinking water linked with growing consciousness about deseases as MCS open chances for additional water-clearing at home, ascending prices for energy open chances for better technologies at home, and Germany is not really good in that market-field, because progress would minor the profit of the engery-corporations. Sometimes easy things would bring the success, furthermore Pole habe technicians theirself and could buy special parts of systems everywhere in the world. That are fields the EU won't help Poland to use them, but Renate Künast could give informations and so on.