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mafketis   
6 May 2008
Work / A job interview in Poland to take 3 hours!? [11]

the recruitment Girl said it will take 3 hours

This could mean different things:

They keep you waiting for 2 hours and 55 minutes before your 4 minute 'interview'.

There are several other things they'll have you do (psych, aptitude tests) in addition to the interview.

They'll be processing you in a group (everything takes longer in a group).

Some combination of the options above.
mafketis   
9 May 2008
Life / What is Poland's favorite ciggarette? Which brands are the most popular? [46]

kelob, you're possibly thinking of cigarettes made from black tobacco which is .... distinctive (though IME almost no one would describe the smell as appealing).

AFAICT that kind of cigarette is pretty much history.

On the other hand, I've known people that think that kind of unfiltered, relatively unprocessed tobacco is probably less harmful than the chemical mix in western cigarettes (which often includes sugar so that you're caramelizing your lungs).
mafketis   
9 May 2008
Life / What is Poland's favorite ciggarette? Which brands are the most popular? [46]

I am only 19 damn years old I can enjoy smoking all i want! As long as I quit before I am 25 it's unlikely it'll do that much damage!

Good luck. Just remember the odds are pretty high against you being able to quit after a couple of years of smoking.

Nicotine is _extremely_ addictive and there are lot of 40+ year olds thought they could quit after a couple of years and are still hooked.
mafketis   
14 May 2008
Language / Numbers in the Polish Language [39]

It would also be useful (for those having to deal with real spoken Polish) some of the abbreviated forms one is likely to hear:

warning: Some (most) of what follows is not "correct" - a concept with very different practical meanings in English and Polish.

Anyhoo, off the top of my head, some unofficial number forms that are frequently heard:

dwadzieścia = dwajścia (or maybe dwejścia or even dwaeścia?) I only realized this when I heard myself say it after hearing it a zillion times).

with some numbers -dziesiąt is reduced to -siąt

sześć = often reduced to szej- in larger numbers, especially 60 and 600 (szejsiąt and szejset respectively)

siedem = sometimes reduced to siem- (17=siemnaście, 70=siemsiąt)

As for accent, I've heard 400 as one word czterysta (stress on -y-) and two (cztery sta with the stress on czte-) I don't know which is 'correct'.

Also 15 is usually pronounced pietnaście (no nasal element in piet-) and 19 is usually dziewietnaście.

there's more, but that will do as a start.

Also in practical terms (warning: inelegant but useful usage coming up) don't worry about declining numbers. Even native speakers of Polish have trouble spontaneously navigating the nest of vipers known as correct number declination (and agreement) without getting bit. You'll understand most of the weird stuff when you hear it, but it's really a waste of effort (until you're pretty advanced) to worry about the difference between pięć and pięcioro (not to mention pięciu or pięciorga). I completely ignored huge parts of correct usage of numbers for years and was never misunderstood (except for 30 and 40 but Poles also often mishear those)

In the beginning just use the basic cardinals all the time and you'll be understood just fine. Start adding other endings slowly as you're comfortable with them. But in the early stages there's lots more worth worrying about.
mafketis   
16 May 2008
Work / Polish Language Courses at Polish Universities [14]

My info is very dated, but the top place was £ódź, where foreign students were (still are?) sent to learn Polish in 8 months before taking university courses in the language.

But that's not a real beauty spot AFAIK (never been there).

I've also heard (some years ago) good things about the program in Torun (pretty, but not well managed city and capital of crazy cat lady politics in Poland). From what I remember, most tourists there are middle aged Germans of the kind who like their comfort but aren't into MickeyD or getting as drunk as possible and passing out in the town square.
mafketis   
19 May 2008
Law / I HAVE A RESIDENCE CARD ( KARTA POBYTU ) CAN GET THROUGH CUSTOMS ? [21]

"I see ok so having a kartu pobytu i can go where i like in Shengan but not UK ?"

I'm not so sure. There was a case of some students from Turkey studying in Wrocław who wanted to visit some friends in Germany (and were told they could by some office in Wrocław) but they got into trouble when stopped at the German border. I don't know how it was resolved. My advice is be more cautious than you think you have to be (or should have to be) and ask for things in writing at consulates et al ahead of time.

But the UK is not part of Schengen (and wants nothing to do with it) so all EU citizens have to have a passport to get in AFAIK.

I recently went to Hungary (within Schengen) and was asked for my passport at the ticket desk (both ways) I don't know what they would have done had I offered my residence card.

And AFAIK there are two kinds of residence card. The first is temporary and you have to apply for a new one every couple of years (and they can say no). The second is permanent (something like a US green card) and you have to renew the card every ten years but it's an automatic renewel not an application.
mafketis   
22 May 2008
Food / A report on certain Polish eating habits [15]

This is maybe dated and idealized but it gives an idea.

Working days :

breakfast : bread and/or rolls, cold cuts, cheese, maybe tomatoes or jam people don't cook much for breakfast beyond maybe boiled sausage, eggs (scrambled or soft boiled) or the dreaded milk soup (zupa mleczna - rice or some other grain boiled with milk) served with tea and/or coffee

second breakfast : sandwiches eaten at work, more of a snack than a meal

dinner (when everybody's home): usually a soup followed by a meat course with (usually) boiled potatoes and a vegetable dish.

supper : if some member of the family has dinner elsewhere they may have a light supper at home, which is often indistinguishable from breakfast (but no milk soup - hurrah!)

free days:
breakfast - like work days but maybe bigger

dinner - early afternoon (like work days but may be more elaborate and require more preparation), one distinctive thing about Polish dinner is that traditionally there's nothing to drink. That was weird for me early on, but I'm used to it now. On special occasions there may be something to drink, esp wine or beer.

supper - in the evening, a lot like breakfast (probably no coffee though), or maybe a one dish meal.

Also dessert isn't eaten directly after the meal. IME cakes are served with coffee sometime between dinner and supper. Typically you eat the cake with the spoon you stir your coffee with.

As to why Polish people are mostly not (Very) fat. I think there are three reasons:

1. activity levels are higher, people walk a lot more

2. portion control (on all except the most festive occasions Polish people typically have one plate, maybe a small second helping and that's it.

3. low levels of between meal snacking. Traditionally Polish people eat three or four meals a day but hardly anything inbetween. The youngest generation is more used to snacking between meals and you see a lot more fat kids than you used to.
mafketis   
23 May 2008
Food / A report on certain Polish eating habits [15]

IME women do the bulk of the cooking. And (circumstances allowing) it's often an older female relative (if the wife works).

Male meal preparation is more for things like breakfast where there might not be cooking at all (besides boiling water for coffee and/or tea) but setting the table and setting out the ingredients (then each person makes their own open faced sandwiches from what's available). Often male cooking is limited to specialities that they make on a regular basis.

Also ingredients tend to be different from the US. The idea of buying prepared foods is not appealing to most Polish people and there's not as many prepared foods to buy. the idea of heating up dinner in a microwave is kind of yucky. Part of Polish food rituals are about appreciating the effort and care that the cook put into making the meal. On the whole, it's the personal touch that Polish people like.

This is one reason that Polish cooking also tends to be conservative. There's not much in the way of food fads here. Cooking does change over time, but given the choice, at home Polish people prefer the tried and true over experimentation.

I like oatmeal, but zupa mleczna is usually not made from oats and whatever grain is used it's too thin for my taste.
mafketis   
23 May 2008
Food / Żubrówka + apple juice anyone? [41]

Many years ago I liked żubrówka. Then one fateful long afternoon and evening I had a whole bunch of glasses of wine and then someone broke out the żubrówka and I had a few shots and ... I don't think we really need to go into any more details.

To this day the very smell of żubrówka is liable to give me flashbacks .... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
mafketis   
24 May 2008
News / Eurovision Song Contest: Isis Gee to represent Poland [156]

Actually watching the show now (halfway point) I liked the bizarro Bosnian entry most (by far) with Germany and Israel tied in second.

The Polish entry just isn't my kind of thing.
mafketis   
24 May 2008
News / Eurovision Song Contest: Isis Gee to represent Poland [156]

My top three

Bosnia (weird but in a wonderful way)

Portugal (a little overblown but I like it anyway)

Germany (so so performance but a song you could imagine hearing on the radio)

bottom three

Iceland
UK
Russia

I think Greece is the likely winner, not my taste, but my taste almost never wins this thing.
mafketis   
24 May 2008
News / Eurovision Song Contest: Isis Gee to represent Poland [156]

Blech, my absolute least favorite of the evening wins. Pretty typical result for Eurovision. In a way I'm glad (having a song I like win, like last year, was deeply unsettling).
mafketis   
26 May 2008
Travel / Polish visa - Nightmare! [40]

I absolutely think you should complain to the MSZ (ministry of foreign affairs)

If they're taking money, it might be crooked employees who are collecting money and not reporting it, in which case they need to get their asses fired.

If it's merely incompetence they need a fire lit under them. The Polish embassy in London has enough to do with trying to deal with local Polish people's problems without harrassing (or shaking down?) EU citizens about vias.

Some years ago a friend of mine received faulty information from a Polish embassy and getting it sorted out was a _huge_ headache. At one point there phone calls to the MSZ were made and they took down the name of the individual who'd made the mistake and they got ripped a new one.
mafketis   
27 May 2008
Language / (part 2) Polish Language Pronunciation - Sample Words and Phrases [311]

I'm reminded how when the Segway was introduced it was consistently pronounced sedżłej by Polish tv announcers even though g before w is never dż in English and even though the name is transparently a pun on the word segue (segłej).
mafketis   
27 May 2008
Language / (part 2) Polish Language Pronunciation - Sample Words and Phrases [311]

It's simply a double consonant (-gg- or -dżdż-),

maybe -ddż- would be more accurate?
Theoretically in Polish dżdż would be released twice and be two separate dż sounds, while the Italian is simply held in place for a moment at the beginning.

valigge = waliddże (okay, theoretically in Polish the first d could be released too but I still think that -ddż is a little more accurate).
mafketis   
29 May 2008
USA, Canada / Day before Schegen:Canada finds Polish passport, US deports,cut from home [44]

I'm sure it's all been unpleaant for you. But, honestly, it's all your own fault and nobody else's.

1. Trying to cross a third international border with an expired visa is .... not smart.

2. Doing so on the basis of a newspaper article (without checking with the relevant embassies/consulates) is ... not smart.

3. VWP's are not for people to go anywhere they please for any length of time. The Canadian officials already had strong evidence that you don't think visa laws apply to you and that you feel free to overstay your visa. They were absolutely right to refuse entry and to turn you over to US Immigration.

4. Polish membership in the EU and Schengen have _nothing_ to do US and Canadian visa/border crossing protocals.

5. This was a lesson. An unpleasant, expensive lesson but one that you very much need to learn. But rather than learn from it, you're writing a lot of irrelevant nonsense that display no understanding of how you ended up where you did.

Conclusion: Based entirely upon what you yourself have written here, you brought this entirely upon yourself through not paying attention to rules and foolish carelessness.

In Poland no one cares about following rules and everybody thinks they're an exceptional case. In English speaking countries, following the rules is a very important cultural value (which you have not yet learned) and claiming to be a special case gets you nowhere (which you have not yet learned).
mafketis   
29 May 2008
USA, Canada / Day before Schegen:Canada finds Polish passport, US deports,cut from home [44]

What you don't seem to understand.

Once your visa expires and you haven't left the country, you're breaking the law. When the authorities find you, they will deport you.

The fact that you have a phd is completely irrelevant.

The fact that you weren't working illegally is completely irrelevant.

The fact that other illegal aliens aren't caught is completely irrelevant.

There is only _one_ relevant fact. Your visa was expired. That made you an illegal alien, eligible for immediate deportation when found. If you didn't know that before, then you know that now.
mafketis   
29 May 2008
USA, Canada / Day before Schegen:Canada finds Polish passport, US deports,cut from home [44]

You were trying to illegally enter a country that didn't want you (with very good reason considering your attitude toward visas).

So they returned you to the country you were trying to enter from. You had no legal right to be in that country so you were deported.

Again, I'm sure it wasn't pleasant for you but it seems both Canada and the US were completely in the right.
mafketis   
3 Jun 2008
News / What does Poland mean to you? [66]

"a country where X" means that X happens in the country referred to to.

If hordes of toilet cleaning immigrants invade your country in Poland that means that you are in fact either Polish or illiterate. Which is it?
mafketis   
3 Jun 2008
News / What does Poland mean to you? [66]

"I am british."

That explains a lot.

It doesn't explain how awful toilet etiquette in your country must be if "hordes" of toilet cleaners can find gainful employment there.
mafketis   
6 Jun 2008
History / WAS WAŁĘSA A SECRET POLICE COLLABORATOR? [26]

Another group has issued an appeal defending freedom of research, saying there can be no sacred cows and the full truth must come out.

This implies that they're endorsing the contents of the book.
The letter I saw implied no such thing. Those writing the "pro-" book letter clearly took no opinion on the merits of the book itself.

They just saying (and I completely agree) that the book should be evaluated by those qualified after publication and not suppressed before publication.

If the book doesn't have any real, convincing evidence, it and the authors should be condemned _after_ publication.
mafketis   
7 Jun 2008
News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]

very quick, sloppy translation (link to original below):

14 year old rape victim denied abortion!

A 14 year old rape victim came to a Warsaw hospital to terminate her preganancy.
But her every step was followed by a priest and pro-life activists. They accuse the mother of inciting a minor to have the abortion, prosecutors are examning the evidence. The operation did not take place....

side note: Polish law allows for abortion on demand in cases of rape within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. The current pregnancy is in the 10th or 11th week. The church is transparently trying to throw up legal roadblocks until the pregancy is 'too advanced' to terminate.

For those who can read Polish:
mafketis   
8 Jun 2008
News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]

To stir the ashes, muddy the waters, (insert your metaphor of choice)

Apparently the protesters (no links, all in Polish and if you can read it you can find it easily enough) are claiming to be acting on what they think is the girl's wishes.

Their story: there was no rape (except statutory maybe) and the father is the girl's boyfriend and the girl wants the baby but is being pressured by the mother to terminate.

I have _no_ idea if any of this is true (and if any of it's true to what degree). But it's their story.