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IronsE11   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

They just would have to reword the leaflets?

Doesn't answer the question but it made me chuckle ;)

Do you entirely miss the point???

No dear, you do.

WAS there a WORLD WAR called ONE????? Did the allies win it?????
Was it fought against Germany when it was the second reich???
WHY?????? WOULD??????? BRITAIN?????? PUBLICALLY?????SIDE?????WITH????GERMANY?????
after the treaty of Versaille?
The real question is why did Europe let Germany build another huge military after the signing of the treaty. It's craziness!!!! Germany violated everything and no one did anything about it!

I honestly don't know where to begin!
IronsE11   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

You are ignoring the build up of the Luftwaffe as part of the wehrmacht. THE REAL ISSUE is Germany being allowed to do this AFTER they lost WWI and signed the Treaty Of Versailles that was designed to severely LIMIT them.
Did Britain allow the Wehrmacht to build because of paranoia about Bolshevikism? One has to wonder?

In a nutshell. It was BRITAIN AND BRITAIN alone which allowed this? France and the US weren't party at Versailles? No? Stop with your hatred of Britain. It is quite frankly pathetic, and it makes you look like a complete fool.

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!!! Are you connected to reality????? Who was under Soviet rule until what, 1991, I think I read in this thread?????? How can you say this?????? This is incredible!

Sorry, I forgot that was Britain's fault as well. Clearly we should have declared war on Stalin's USSR. Betrayal at its worst.
IronsE11   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I blame this part on "betrayal" by Poland's ally's. Yes, Britain was one as was US.

Then you are very sad bitter person. As stated previously, you should be thankful that Poland exists to this day... it could have been very different had you really been betrayed by your allies.
IronsE11   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

1)England had only a small regular army
2)the only way to get forces into Poland was via the North Sea which the German navy and Luftwaffe were strong enough to prevent.
3)most French and British generals thought the Poles would be able to defend themselves better than they did, and that the Germans would wear themselves out attacking the Maginot line.
4)if it all went awrong Germany would be masters of Europe entire, not just the continent.

Come on Kilkline, let's not be rational about this. Britain betrayed Poland and that's the end of it.

The term 'plastic' is used to describe someone who claims an ethnicity/cultural identity other than the one they were born and raised in. They often do this to make up for growing up in a country without a culture or longstanding history that they can feel proud of so they link themselves to another country to make themselves feel more interesting and 'ethnic'. They are often found to have outdated cartoonish ideas about the land of their ancestors.
Such people are more often than not found in the colonies of Australia and the Americas.

It is often these plastic types who adhere to the idea of betrayal as it gives them some historical grievance to relate to.

Or the truth of why they are no longer in Poland.

I will spell it out... The concept of betrayal is a subjective notion, NOT a historical fact. The reason they are no longer in Poland is NOT because of Britain. But by all means, keep believing if it makes you feel better.
IronsE11   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I didn't read the intitial post

Well done.

As for betrayal, that is not brit bashing, that is history. You cannot deny it. Bashing is calling someone a degrading name, true, but I haven't called anyone anything degrading. I just confronted the anti polish sentiment in this thread with reality.

No it is not history. It's a bitter twisted take on events. Events are history, taking these events out of context to create a totally false notion of betrayal is not. David Irving is a historian but his 'history' forms part of an anti-smitic agenda. Your 'history' is twisted to blame Britain for Poland's troubles. THAT IS YOUR AGENDA. You place no blame with the French or the US, only Britain. When I was studying the philosophy of history at university I came across coountless examples of this type of 'history'. More often than not it's bullsh1t, twiested to suit an agenda.

As for Pole bashing... i'm just pointing out that a number of the 'Poles' who have contributed to this thread are bitter and twisted. That is not Pole bashing, it is HISTORICAL FACT. Just read through the thread.
IronsE11   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Am I the one who starts these threads???? I just respond when posters start bashing Polish.

Ozi Dan created the thread and is conspicuous by his absence since. The thread title and opening post is a classic bit of Brit bashing (the use of the term pom is a good indication). This whole thread was cleverly designed to provoke the responses it has, and I'm sure our convict friend is lauging at the sheer number of indignant replies from Brits and Poles alike. You have contributed to this Brit bashing with your pathetic notion of betrayal so don't be surprised if I label you a moron.

Keep in mind, there would have been far less casualities if Britain and France would have confronted Germany as soon as they invaded Poland. Why do you think the war took such a tremendous toll on human life???? Because of that initial stall!!!
Britain actually suffered MORE casualities because they waited. It was bad for them, they were going to have to get involved sooner or later anyway.

And what about the US? Why didn't they enter the war earlier? it would have been over in 5 minutes! I love the way you hold Britain solely responsible for Poland's situation. It does highlight a rather sad blame culture. I'm sure most Poles are better than that.
IronsE11   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

If you insist on being anti Poland I will keep posting my opinion on that!

My posts were a response to the drivel espoused by yourself, Celinski etc. I am not anti-Poland, I have a Polish girlfriend and will be spending Christmas in Poland with her family. Like I said, my posts are a provocative response to morons like you, and do not reflect my opinion on Poles in general. Where as you seem to actually believe what you have posted!

It's funny because most of these accusations of betrayal quite often come from non-Polish speaking 'Poles' living in the USA. Shame on you for painting the people you claim to represent in this way.
IronsE11   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Sometimes this forum is a support group for Plastic Poles whinging about how Britain never did enough for them. Anyone who attempts to question the mythology surrounding these bonding sessions is told to stfu and stop intruding on their mourning process. Brits have a right to defend themselves from what they see as false accusations as much as Poles do.

Here here.

a few malevolent trolls

I know trolls should be ignored, but sometimes it's more fun to let off some steam and abuse them. Accusations of betrayal are designed to provoke a reaction, as are the anti-Polish retorts.. I have no doubt that the majority of Poles aren't stupid enough to believe what has been espoused by a minority of morons on this thread...
IronsE11   
6 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

You gave me a notion, from what you had said previously, Poles are cheap, shitty, cower and laughable pile of sh!te. So there is my question: why did you hook up with one of those of the lowest and sh!ttiest pile of crap?

Bless you Easy. It's usually best to view my posts in context. In this case, I was responding to some rather pathetic accusations of betrayal. I don't believe Poles to be 'cheap, shitty, cower and laughable piles of sh!te', I was just addressing specific posters. Why would I be with a Pole otherwise? If you took the time to read some of my posts, you would realise I deplore racist stereotypes. I'm sure Shelley would testify...

Anyway, you could always use the quote function to highlight exactly how I gave you this said notion...

YOU apparently and/or other superior nations.

Apparently? Who told you that?
IronsE11   
6 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Normans - Germanics
Vikings - Germanics
Anglo Saxons - Germanics
etc.etc.etc

I'm talking specificially about ethnicity. Race defined by culture is a different matter. I consider myself 100% English (ok I have a Great great granbdfather who was a Polish Jew) but my appearance is more Southern European.

I always thought Rooney was somewhat a prime example for an english looking guy...:)

Rooney is from the ogre race, along with Shrek ;)

Why did you even hook up with such a laughable example?!

???

Dump her retarded arse as of NOW and hook up with some-one matched to your superior standards.

Such as?
IronsE11   
6 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Erm...okay....so you are black or mixed?

I'm white.

I think the majority is still germanic in nature and I also think most would like to keep it that way!

The majority don't even know.

Ethnic groups:

white (of which English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, Northern Irish 2.9%) 92.1%,

black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%,

mixed 1.2%, other 1.6% (2001 census)

Since when has white been an ethnic group? Indian and Pakistani? Ethnicity is not determined by a border which didn't even exist 60 years ago. Since when has black been an ethnicity. Every black person in Africa is the same race? Utter rubbish.

The English are a mixture of Normans, Vikings, Gallics, Celts, Romans, Anglo Saxons, Jews etc. etc. We are a predominantly white country but there is no dominant race. You can not describe the features of a typical English person in the same way that you can describe the features of a typical Pole.

My girlfriend is Polish and she looks Polish. I am English but if you saw me you would have no idea (unless you heard me speak of course).

Like I said, mongrol nation.
IronsE11   
6 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

At the time the US wasn't obligated to do anything. Why would the US be under any obligation

Obligated to fight for Poland? Obligated to ensuring a free post-war Poland? Or neither?

This is not accurate. The Declaration by United Nations specifically the Atlantic Charter identified eight points. One of those eight is: 'Territorial adjustments must be in accord with the wishes of the peoples concerned.'

The truth is the United States WAS obligated. Instead of working as an ally with Churchill, FDR went out of his way to belittle Churchill in front of Stalin.

That being the case, the USA failed to fulfill their obligations to a number of people. Poland may be have left to the USSR, but spare a poor thought for the people of Indochina who were handed straight back to the French!
IronsE11   
6 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

- Churchill promised to fight for Polish independence if Polish troops would unite and help fighting against Germans. Thats ONE
- French did not try to mask Katyn massacre like Churchill did - that would entirely change the face of enemy for Polish troops. TWO
- French did not kill Sikorski. THREE
- French did not sell us out in Yalta.

And what did the USA do? Do you think Churchill had any real influence over Stalin at Yalta?
IronsE11   
5 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Quite frankly I believe Poland fought on the wrong side.

Ha ha, like you had a choice!

Face it, the moment Poland was invaded by Russia and Germany it was f*cked. No amount of whining and b1tching about the Brits is going to change this fact.

I wonder if Poland would have invaded Germany if Hitler had decided to start with the West? Hmmmm...
IronsE11   
5 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

So do you feel that a lot of Britons feel the same way you do, that selling their soul and joining the Nazi's would have been the correct thing to do?

I don't, but apparently (according to our ever so enlightened Polish friends) the actual course of action taken by the British was also immoral. Apparently we should have sent troops headfirst in to Germany the day after the Nazis stepped foot in Poland.

I don't think Vafunkoolo and Harry honestly feel that way, they are just reacting to some ignorant posters, who should be grateful of the fact that Poland exists today, rather than blame the British for their problems.

I wonder why Poland didn't invade Germany when Hitler marched in to Czechoslovakia?
IronsE11   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Still dreaming your imperialist dream? Missing enslaving peoples much?

I was born in 1982 dear. And we're still living the imperialist dream in Iraq. You should know about that.

invaded be germans! and after we faught them off we were sold off to the soveits?

Spot the deliberate mistake.
IronsE11   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

See, there's no need for that. What have we said that was so very offensive that makes you so mean.

Your pathetic notion of betrayal. I'm glad my grandparents fought in Burma. The colonies were more worthy.

Obviously this does not go for the Poles who dont share your ridiculous view.
IronsE11   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Rightio.

Poland indeed paid a heavy price but it was a price they paid for no one but themselves. They went to war for no one but themselves.

That is generally how foreign policy works. I simply love this notion that the Poles fought for Britain. I would find it quite funny if so many deluded tw*ts didn't actually believe it.
IronsE11   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

What I question is what if all three, France, Britain and Poland did all jointly attack

Thus starting a war with the industrial superpower of Europe.

could the world war be avoided?

Er... no, they would have been starting it.

I was asking not to offend but to hear your view

Have you ever heard the phrase 'Ask a stupid question...'

Bzib and Celinski.

A serious question. Have you ever studied history? I mean at a proper (degree) level? Rather than listening to stories whilst sitting on grandpa's knee.
IronsE11   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

This quote is about France vs. Britain and had they attacked Germany. What I question is what if all three, France, Britain and Poland did all jointly attack, could the world war be avoided?

My god you are thick.
IronsE11   
3 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Show me where I made this claim?

I was referring to this:

We were your allies, yes, you should have dropped eveything and helped save Poland. Just as Polish had done for you. "For your Freedom and Ours".

Except the hadn't. Had they?
IronsE11   
3 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Question being? I gave you many examples of Polish fighting for others. Do you need a few more?

He was a great historian was that youtube. Anyway, I believe the question was:

you claimed that Poland fought for Britain before Britain fought for Poland. I asked you to tell me when Poland fought for Britain before 3 September 1939. When was it?

Please answer.
IronsE11   
3 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Polish pilots have destroyed 12% Luftwaffe planes. On every one shot down Polish plane, Poles shot down six German planes (6:1), for example British pilots had (3:1).

Very impressive! It's just a shame you couldn't defend your own borders. You're worse than the French.

Actually I would like to see the evidence for that because I frankly don't believe that.

The level of English is probably a good indication of the quality of the source.

When Germans have heard for first time Polish conversation in air they have taken it for a very funny English joke.