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IronsE11   
5 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

Jews from Ethopia are the same race as Jews from Asia?

Obviously not, but its a bit more complex than that. For a lot of Jews, race and religion are inextricably linked:

judaism.about.com/od/orthodoxfaqenkin/f/raceorreligion.htm

Question: Is Judaism a religion or race?

Dear Rabbi Enkin,
I always thought that Judaism was a race and a religion. I say race because certain genetic diseases, like Tay-Sachs, are found among Central and Eastern European (Ashkenazi) Jews. Please explain how this does not mean race. I am very confused on this subject.
Thanks,
Mindy

Answer: Dear Mindy,

I wish others would ask and explore the question you raise!

While the full answer is exhaustive - the short answer is: The Jews are both a race and religion.

Our religion is quite clear -- see your nearest Biible.

IronsE11   
3 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

The notion of race is rather complex. Jewish people can be defined by religion, culture and/or race. Essentially however, my point was that Mrs Sarkozy (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't share the same Hungarian or Greek "ethnicity" as her husband.

I would expand on the above but my computer at work is being moved, and posting from my I-phone is somewhat fiddly!
IronsE11   
3 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

NAH! She just has pride in her race.

Is that why she is married to a Jew and shagged all the Rolling Stones?

HA,Ha you little vixen. Shelley proved you wrong.

Nicolas Sarkozy is the son of an aristocratic [5] Hungarian father, Pál Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa[6] (Hungarian: nagybócsai Sárközy Pál; some sources spell it Nagy-Bócsay Sárközy Pál; Hungarian pronunciation (help·info) [nɒɟ͡ʝboːt͡ʃɒi ʃaːrkøzi paːl]), and a mother of French Catholic and Greek-Sephardic Jewish[7] descent, Andrée Mallah. His Greek-born grandfather, Benico Mallah (former Aaron Mallah), was a physician from Thessaloniki. Benico, who left for France to become a doctor, was the son of Mordechai Mallah, one of the eight sons of Aaron Mallah, founder of the Rabbinical School of Thessaloniki.[8]

It depends on your definition of a Jew, but I can safely say that Mr and Mrs Sarkozy do not belong to the same race.
IronsE11   
2 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

playing crickets svolves all the worlds problems does it

No, I never suggested as much. It is however a form of assimilation, fitting in if you like.

having a passport dosnt make you anything at all with out assimilating or fitting in.....

And what do YOU do to fit in with British/English culture?

hense your london attacks, all done from inside uk, and ofcourse with your ideas that will never end will it?

I presume you advocate the removal of all Irish from England considering the repeated attacks on London over the years? Of course, because all Irish are terrorists, just like all "rag heads" are?
IronsE11   
2 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

if you thought i was hypocritical then you are a person who dosnt understand posts at all....

I understood perfectly thanks.

i dont see why you should even worry for any hypocritial comments even if were some, Polish are white european christians, so they dont come as negative migrants, even most of the BNP would agree, unless there is real hardcore ones but i dont see it.....

So because Poles are European and White we should embrace them, but because "rag heads" aren't we shouldn't? Even if the "rag head" is born and bred in Britain?

I'm British but I'm not Christian, I'm not a Slav either. What exactly is my cultural bond with you? Apart from the fact we are both white of course? I mean the Asians in my area integrate by playing the very English sport of cricket. What is British/English about you? How do you integrate with British/English people? Apart from standing around being white that is? What gives you the right to live in Britain as opposed to a "rag head"? You think being Christian and white constitutes "cutural integration"?

Poles maybe European, but so are the "rag heads" you refer to. They are British.
IronsE11   
2 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

oh yah, why don't we ask him to be sure:)

:) Yes miranda, it was a sarcastic rant.

Cenowski is a Pole (I presume) living in the UK, passing judgement on an the fact that there are some areas which are predominantly Asian. This is utterly bizarre when you consider the "ethnic make-up" of some places in East London.

Then why bitch about it?

I wasn't. I have a Polish girlfriend, and quite frankly, I don't care how many Poles come to the UK. I have got on very well with the vast majority I have met.

If you are too simple to understand the ironic (yes HB, IRONIC - This is the proper use of the term) nature of my post then I really do pity you. I was highlighting the ridiculously hypocritical position taken up Cenowski.
IronsE11   
2 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

I wonder why?

Because Poland is a member of the EU and many Poles have exercised their right to come and work in Britain. I hope that helps.

Did it ever occur to you that the Poles have no desire to integrate with the slimy limeys?

I know a few Polish girls who would disagree.

I think he was sarcastic.

Really? Me? Never ;)

I know how to read Irons. He was maybe partly sarcastic but I don't think so overall.

Er....
IronsE11   
2 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

this is happening all over uk, and it very sad stuff, but i do also blame the general typical british public, nobody is really taking to action about it or fighting for there land or people.... i dont get this nealry eevrry one i know in uk is racist to another group in one way or another but that dislike dosnt leave the confines of the pub or workplace, people are too scared from government and police in uk i think, its bad situation

I agree, its a fucking disgrace. This country just lets anyone in, and it's all because of the liberal leftist do-gooders who want impose multiculturalism on us. Did you know there are areas of my home town which are almost entirely Polish? This country isn't Slavic, but it might as well be renamed Great Slavain the way things are going. And this is allowed to happen by our government. I blame the British public too. Most of the ones I know hate the Poles, but they are too scared to voice this opinion outside of their own social circles. That's why everyone is voting for the BNP......

....Oh wait, they aren't.
IronsE11   
28 Mar 2009
UK, Ireland / Why Scotland doesnt Need any Immigrants By a Scotsman [56]

Wow that many, I though it was around 30 million?

Get out of the EU before it destroys your country

It hasn't been that low since the turn of the century (1900 that is), long before the EU.
IronsE11   
28 Mar 2009
UK, Ireland / Why Scotland doesnt Need any Immigrants By a Scotsman [56]

Well they are always complaining they have mass asians in every nook and cranny

Well I guess that explains it then. I completely forgot that Asians in England don't count towards the population of the UK.
IronsE11   
27 Mar 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

How come is it that I cant make you angry?

Because your bait is too obvious. Fishing is an art you haven't quite mastered yet. miranda is far too experienced to bite.
IronsE11   
26 Mar 2009
UK, Ireland / no anti english comments please [48]

I agree. You are able to distinguish between the government policies vs. blaming the immigrant.

I find that some posters on PF keep forgetting about it.

True, I am always puzzled by people who blame others for doing exactly what they would do in the same situation.

As for immigration, this is the United States of Europe, we are too far gone for that to change. I for one am happy, in a few years time I will be travelling to Eastern europe for a better standard of living (as per Sokrates Nostradamus like vision).
IronsE11   
25 Mar 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

Spare us. Today's Leftist "Liberals" bare no resemblance to the dictionary definition. Citing that has become a tired and dishonest defensive ploy on the part of Leftist Libs.

Bless you gtd, sorry I mean Randal, I knew I'd get a rise. The term Liberal has a completely different meaning in the UK and US. A study of the history of the Liberal party might help you.

Anyway, I like this one:

Not narrow or contracted in mind

I also like William Harcourt's definition of liberalism:

Liberty does not consist in making others do what you think right. The difference between a free Government and a Government which is not free is principally this—that a Government which is not free interferes with everything it can, and a free Government interferes with nothing except what it must. A despotic Government tries to make everybody do what it wishes, a Liberal Government tries, so far as the safety of society will permit, to allow everybody to do what he wishes. It has been the function of the Liberal Party consistently to maintain the doctrine of individual liberty. It is because they have done so that England is the country where people can do more what they please than in any country in the world.

I think you're a bit of a liberal at heart really Randal ;)
IronsE11   
25 Mar 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

Dictionary - liberal - 8 entries.

1. a. - Free by birth; hence, befitting a freeman or gentleman; refined; noble; independent; free; not servile or mean; as, a liberal ancestry; a liberal spirit; liberal arts or studies.

2. a. - Bestowing in a large and noble way, as a freeman; generous; bounteous; open-handed; as, a liberal giver.

3. a. - Bestowed in a large way; hence, more than sufficient; abundant; bountiful; ample; profuse; as, a liberal gift; a liberal discharge of matter or of water.

4. a. - Not strict or rigorous; not confined or restricted to the literal sense; free; as, a liberal translation of a classic, or a liberal construction of law or of language.

5. a. - Not narrow or contracted in mind; not selfish; enlarged in spirit; catholic.

6. a. - Free to excess; regardless of law or moral restraint; licentious.

7. a. - Not bound by orthodox tenets or established forms in political or religious philosophy; independent in opinion; not conservative; friendly to great freedom in the constitution or administration of government; having tendency toward democratic or republican, as distinguished from monarchical or aristocratic, forms; as, liberal thinkers; liberal Christians; the Liberal party.

8. Noun - One who favors greater freedom in political or religious matters; an opponent of the established systems; a reformer; in English politics, a member of the Liberal party, so called. Cf. Whig.

Take your pick.
IronsE11   
18 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

indoctrinating

Only very simple people believe that homosexuality is an ideology. But then again, you think that 'being black' is an ideology so there's not much hope for you. Try looking up the word 'indoctrinate' in the dictionary:

1. to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
2. to teach or inculcate.
3. to imbue with learning.

You've already admitted to knowing very little (well actually nothing) about homosexuality, so I'll give you a quick lesson:

Gay can't be caught, it isn't an ideology or a conscious choice. It is a natural state of being, a sexual preference which is determined before a child becomes sexually aware. It is therefore impossible to indoctrinate someone with "gay". Unless of course you were referring to one of the other definitions (2 or 3) which define indoctrination quite simply as education.

Now even you aren't stupid enough to think that by teaching children about black history, they could in fact become black. So why do you think that homosexuality can be pushed on someone? To learn isn't to become. It's actually the most basic of concepts, try hard and you might be able to grasp it.

If I school you again

Thanks for the schooling, although it would appear I have a better knowledge of the subject than you. I actually find it strange that someone who admitted only a few posts ago that they know nothing about homosexuality, feels qualified to "school" people about it.
IronsE11   
18 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

Funny how people defending gays will use gay as an insult like that.

Where has it been used as an insult? You only believe it is an insult because you are a rampant homophobe.

And a complete moron of course ;)

no one ever accuses me of being black.

Just out of interest, how do you accuse someone of being black?
IronsE11   
18 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

I don’t know all the ins and outs (ew!) of Homoism!

Maybe you should book yourself on to a gay awareness course then? Unless of course you're scared of....

....well you know, catching gay.
IronsE11   
18 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

They claim that everyone is born with the potential to be gay.

They (heterosexuals) believe that the use of condoms actually increases the risk of contracting aids.
IronsE11   
18 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

I don't appreciate my kids being indoctrinated

I'm not sure what the problem is.

There are a number of ridiculous misconceptions about homosexuality - this thread is testament to that.

Why would any right-minded person be opposed to efforts to help rid society of these misconceptions (which often lead to hatred/bigotry/discrimination/mindless violence etc.) through education of the facts regarding homosexuality? (I'm not talking about the A-Z of anal sex, just the basic concept of homosexuality). That is unless, their own bigotry is manifested through these misconceptions. In which case, its clearly not just kids who need educating.

I guess haters will always hate, regardless of anything else. Some people get upset with the fact that some gay rights groups campaign for.... well gay rights. Do these same people feel the same about the efforts of Martin Luther King? I mean, I don't mind blacks, I just don't like it when they ram it down my throat... If my kids are taught about black history, I will withdraw them from school etc etc...
IronsE11   
12 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

Sure it is. There are success stories out there of gays getting cured of their condition. But again, gays don’t want to hear this. They’d rather be accommodated than helped.

There lies the root of your homophobia... the fact that you are completely ignorant.

ShelleyS

Spot on Shell. People who are comfortable with their own sexuality usually don't care. It's often the ignorant types, who believe gay can be caught or indoctrinated, that make the most noise when it comes to homosexuality.

I used to enjoy the odd trip down (C)anal (S)treet, and I more often than not had a great night. Bah bar was always a laugh.
IronsE11   
11 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

It’s not about me. Why do the gay advocates always try to implicate others as being gay?

I only asked the question because your post suggested that homosexuality is something that can be "passed on" to people though promotion, celebration, encouragement etc.. This highlights a fundamental lack of understanding of the nature of homosexuality, as illustrated:

Yes, this is a brazen attempt to normalize gay for kids. Yes, it is underhanded indoctrination.

Are are suggesting that (lets say) a 14-year old straight boy, who is taught about the natural phenomenon of homosexuality in sex education, is suddenly going to think:

"I used to fancy that Sarah girl from my history class, but now I have an incurable urge to bugger my mate Dave"

I don't really think indoctrination is an issue.

Here in schools they have things like “Celebrate Gays Week!”.

I am referring strictly to sex education (taught at an appropriate aged). Personally I'd pay as much attention to 'celebrate gays week' as I would the following:

Adopt A Rescued Rabbit Month
AMD/Low Vision Awareness Month
American Heart Month
Bake for Family Fun Month
February is Fabulous Florida Strawberry Month
Festival of Camellias Month
From Africa to Virginia Month
International Boost Self-Esteem Month
Library Lovers Month
Marfan Syndrome Awareness Month
Marijuana Awareness Month
National African American History Month
National Bird Feeding Month
National Black History Month
National Care About Your Indoor Air Month
National Cherry Pie Month
National Condom Month Link
National Children's Dental Health Month
National Get To Know and Independent Real Estate Broker Month
National Laugh-Friendly Month
National Mend A Broken Heart Month
National Parent Leadership Month
National Pet Dental Health Month
National Senior Independence Month
National Time Management Month
National Weddings Month
Plant the Seeds of Greatness Month
Relationship Wellness Month
Return Shopping Carts to the Supermarket Month
Spunky Old Broads Month
Sweet Potato Month
Wise Health Care Consumer Month
Worldwide Renaissance of the Heart Month
Youth Leadership Month

Apparently these are all celebrated in February.
IronsE11   
10 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

and again, I disagree with the school age children

And again, this is not what I'm arguing about.

promoted or celebrated or encouraged.

No I said educated, although I'm interested in your concept of encouragement? Is it that you think the promotion and celebration of homosexuality will encourage people to become homosexual? Do you think people can catch 'gay'? More importantly, are you worried that this might happen to yourself?
IronsE11   
10 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

Heterosexual sex has a purpose on the scale of the species. Homosexuality doesn't.

Sorry, I forgot that's why we have sex education!! Because without it we wouldn't know how to produce? Right? Sex education covers the emotional as well as the physical. A fair amount of it is aimed at educating people in regards to STD's... why bother with this, if it is JUST about reproduction?

The usual B.S. line of attack.

I don't understand the process of cheese making and yet I am not afraid either of the the process, nor the result.

The same with gays. What is there to be afraid of? They may be as offensive to some as the various stages of cheese processing but they appear to be less complex than cheese.

Gays have been around forever. A little abnormality, mistaken identity like many others. Certainly not a reason to bash or persecute, but neither it is a reason for glory or deserving "education".

Cheese makers aren't discriminated against in the same way homosexuals are. The whole point of this type of education is to teach people that homosexuality is a natural phenomenon, and not something to be feared or hated. If cheese makers were regularly discriminated against, I'm sure there would be some educational drive to help people understand that cheese makers are ordinary people.

I agree with you, it's not a reason to bash or persecute but many people still do. Thus the need for education. It's a pretty simple concept. This is not about glorifying anything.

Actually, it is not. If you understand the meaning of the word prevalent that is.

Why don't you look the word up:

Prevalent as in widely practised

Which it is, and has been throughout history.

Right. Certainly nothing to celebrate. Shall we also celebrate alcoholism or any other human idiosyncrasy?

Yeah, because alcoholism is just like homosexuality? Jesus wept.
IronsE11   
9 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

where? I did say if they want respect then it should be given, hows that sterotyping?
it is what it is.. if they want to have a relationship with a male or female , like I said
keep it to yourself.. dont tell us the details.. I dont care.. really.. just like my sexual
preference isnt a care to them.. of course it isnt.. so fekin what right??

Sorry if I misunderstood, but it appeared as if you were suggesting that this is normal behaviour for the average homosexual! I was just making the point that whilst some homosexuals like to meet up in toilets or hang around Clapham Common late at night, there are also heterosexual couples who enjoy dogging, and heterosexual men who happily expose themselves to young girls in parks.

You obviously believe that sexuality and therefore acts of affection are a private thing... that you should not make outward gestures which are an indication of your sexuality. I trust that this preference is not exclusive to homosexuals?
IronsE11   
9 Mar 2009
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]

I cant respect them for not respecting others.. this is how they do things to find
other gay males, by going to public places and making signals and signs in the stalls
etc.. instead of going to a gay bar , where theres plenty of homosexual males and females to choose from, I cant turn a blind eye when you run into people who just
dont respect your privacy.. thats just way to much to ask for in my opinion.

and it happens to this day.. if you demand respect as a gay community, it should be
given.. and its not.

then they wonder why other males act out these hate crimes.. its unacceptable
behavior..

Nothing like stereotyping eh Pat... I agree it's shameful, I mean you rarely see this sort of depravity in the heterosexual community! Still, I guess a good old fashioned lynching is what they deserve.