History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

UKpolska, I actually go to Poland every year. I guess your the expert on poland lol. you need to get out their so polish people can tell you what they really think, not what they tell you so not to offend you.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

lol immigration. Your history is a little fuzzy. Both countries loved Poland so much they came to its defence. lol Whose listening to the propaganda now.

buddy I think everybody can agree your embarrassing the UK.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

Truth hurts, maybe you can inform me on the propaganda in UK. Let me guess they saved the world.lol

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

immigration, in case you didn't notice Britain didn't help Poland as a selfless act. After Poland, the risk was that Britain would soon be next. So Britain joined in to save their own asses. "So fight your own battles" stupid comment. This was also Britains battle. Also britain should fight its own battles not beg America to save their a*ses.

Also don't try to dress up Britains cowardness because thats exactly what is was. Fear of Stalin

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

One that is alive and kicking
thank you very much

also one that doesn't rely on immigrants to keep from decline.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

George Santayana
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I can quote hundreds more that tell you to learn history if it makes you feel better.

also like to apologize to mans best friend because it was not my intention to ever compare you to our so called friends.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

great quote unfortunately its wrong.
if I got bitten my neighbors dog a week ago and then again two days ago. I will learn to avoid that dog. by posting a quote doesn't make it true.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

So lets not teach history in school because it might antagonize people. Ukpolska your a coward, afraid of hurting peoples feelings. History is to be learned from as not to repeat the past that is why we teach it. Get some balls.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

sorry buddy if America didn't come to the rescue and save Britain and Russia had not attacked Germany we would all be speaking German. you as such a history buff should know that.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

oh that stereotype we live in the past. Am I holding this against Britain no, just discussing your dishonesty.

see when your country is the one screwing up and invading and exploiting people in India and Africa and countless regions of the world you want to move on and forget it as soon as possible.

one of the several reasons the west is disliked. me I really don't care and moved on because britain is on the decline and the tables will turn.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

bubba you crying again. its k
this thread was created especially for you.

History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

If we followed your logic why discuss history at all. Also some might not agree Poland was betrayed. Quick note, growing up in the US you don't even know how distorted

history is in the materials they teach in schools. Also curious if people know the truth and In case you didn't notice Polish people moved on long time ago.

find out more info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

Life / Redheads in Poland - How many? [95]

I would say 1in100 redheads in Poland but don't quote me.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

Sadek it is suspicious, I was thinking the same thing. However its still to early to see if the Russians are playing games or are sincere. curious what was said exactly between sikorski and his counterpart in Russia. I guess time will tell

for the record I support shield either way. better safe then sorry. who knows what threats poland will face in the future.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

K paszka I understand what ur saying, who do they think the USSR was liberating in Poland. if they think polish communists that's dumb because there were barely any. that's like saying Nazi Germany was trying to liberate because of the 10 Polish Nazis in Poland. that's not liberation if they think that that's dumb no way you look at it. I can offer a more detailed example if need be.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

I guess its still premature to discuss the outcome of polish russian relations at this time, but it appears its heading in the right direction. Lets hope this continues.

BTW history is not most important to poles.

No one said it was there are much more urgent issues, however I mentioned it because this is the question of the thread I was answering.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

to me its not important how poland does it, but it has to be done.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

Please explain to me Polish policy because anything less is a disgrace for the Polish nation. Its not like were asking for much, no money or any other form of compensation but only the truth. lol Yes oscar is great but not that great, but that's funny

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

freedom of speech in Russia is a rarity. However, in this case for whatever reason Russia made the right choice. so it is a good sign. they need to build up on this and continue with these trust building measures. this should not be enough, its only the first step russia needs to take.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

Constantine you brought up are greeks mad at italians. that happened centuries ago everybody is dead. however ww2 and commmunism just happened and many people who witnessed these crimes are still alive. their is a difference. if you don't see that something is wrong with you.

in addition another difference. italians didn't deny what happened. where russia denied it for 50 years . to this day the whole truth of ww2 is distorted in some countries. its time to set the record straight. is that to much to ask?

constantine here is an exert from an article on the katyn film found on economist that came out today.

Astonishingly, some in Russia are now reviving the lie that the murderers at Katyn were not by the NKVD, but the Nazis. That was maintained during the communist era, but only by punishing savagely those who tried to tell the truth. Last year, as Mr Wajda's film opened in Poland, a commentary in a Russian government newspaper, Rossiiskaya Gazeta, dismissed the evidence of Soviet involvement in Katyn as "unreliable"

so as you can see the issue is relevant. Russians are cowards and can't face what they did.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

Tran Anh
good post

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

the discussion has been going on for 60 maybe you can tell us bratwurst where those discussions took place. lol russia denied katyn for almost 50 years. The allies also don't discuss their mistakes. I lived in US and I can definatly say their version of ww2 is scewed. they make it seem they saved the world. so don't tell me there has been an honest discussion.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

kasprzyk.demon.co.uk/www/WW2.html

This a great depiction of events that occured during WW2. It it great Russia is willing to work to repair this relationship. However their should be more countries involved in this endeavor. Our enemies and Allies in WW2. This is something that must be reconciled for all of us to move into the future.

Highly Recommend Article

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Paczka maybe you should improve your writing skills. What the hell are you talking about. Say it one more time a little more clearly.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Correction Stalin killed Russians so yeah he did kill his own people, wasn't talking about Poland.

Yes from the point of the 30 communists that existed in Poland. That's like saying Hitler was trying to liberate Poland because of that 1 Nazi living in Krakow. Good Point lol

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Paczka you must be a historian. lol
Yes you liberate by killing your own people. Great analysis.
Celinski and Isthatu said it best so no reason for me to add anything.
I guess the reason for this post is to express my laughter at your comment.

Love / Polish girlfriends family, they want me to become Catholic. [20]

Gouz I couldn't agree with you more. Religion should not be used to control someone but to help someone.

Also to that parent question. Me personally I want my daughter to marry a Roman Catholic. Sure that's a natural feeling. But in the end I really don't care. If he treats her right and makes her happy that's all that matters. Ill get used to it and Im willing to get used to it. Sure maybe with some hesitation. Maybe her parents feel like that to, you just need to show them this relationship is serious and your here to stay.

Fairness and equality, nothing more important. Im sure it will take some getting used to for them but you will get them to like you

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Nowbody in Russia idealizes the personality of these statemen, but in the same time all of us realise that their existance was necessary for Russian state. I find that comment very intelligent.

Because sometimes even things that are bad in the end can do some good(rarely). Example Kaczynski was always starting fights in EU. But now countries of EU are much more appreciative of people like Tusk and willing to work with him so kaczynski doesn't get voted back. I know It also has to do Tusks approach but its a combination of both things. I have other more extreme examples if need be.

I am not an expert on Russia so I can't talk about anything prior to WW2. I leave that to others. However what Stalin did was not for the future good because in the end the economy of SU collapsed, setting you back 20 years. He advanced a worthless cause. He killed millions and nothing good came out of it.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Constantin we are talking about JP2 not the whole Church. Like were talking about Stalin not Russia. Name me one death JP is responsible for?

To compare the pope with Stalin is STUPID in every sense of the word. Did you think someone was gonna eat the sh*t your trying to feed them.