Law / Grandparents born in Poland, but parents in Australia - Polish passport? [12]

The Constitution of the Republic of Poland (current and not readily changeable by act of any Polish Parliament! ;D) clearly states that if at least one parent is a Polish Citizen, then both parents have up to 6 months after the birth of their child to renounce Polish Citizenship on the child's behalf. After that time only the child itself can renounce its Polish Citizenship, but not before it turns 18 years of age.

One renounces Polish Citizenship in writing to the Polish Government / Consulate / Embassy in any country.
(It appears renouncing Polish Citizenship to non-Polish Authorities is not valid. If it was, one could argue that he/she was under duress (torture ;D) and that such mechanism would form a very easy way for someone to destroy the entire Polish Nation ;D)

Consequently if:

1. either of your grandparents were Polish Citizens at time of their birth and Polish Authorities don't have a piece of paper saying that they no longer considered themselves to be Poles until the birth of either of your parents; and

2. no one in either of that grandparent's pair had renounced Polish Citizenship on behalf of their child (i.e. one of your parents) before he/she turned 6 months; and

3. either of your parents were Polish Citizens at the time of your birth (i.e. either or both of them were under 18 years old or at least one of them did not renounce his/her Polish Citizenship between turning 18 years of age and your birth; and

4. neither of your parents renounced Polish Citizenship on your behalf before you turned 6 months; and

5. you are under 18 years of age or hadn't renounced Polish Citizenship since you turned 18 years of age

*phew* (I re-read that few times to get the bugs out... does it make sense? If not - ask me to go through it again! :D)

then you are technically a Polish Citizen.

Step 2 is to convince the Polish Authorities of that... if one really, really wants to be a member of our glorious nation (it can be testing at times). Couple of the obvious benefits are that you get an EU Passport and the right not to be extradited against your will from Poland ;D - these days one never knows when that _will_ be useful! :D

But, like in any half-decent video game, you must first defeat the tough monster before you progress to the next level (just to prove that you really consider yourself a Pole and think it's all worth it ;D) - the Polish Beaurocracy, and boy will they make you think twice... or thrice... and possibly more! ;D

The mechanism is relatively simple (very misleading) though Polish Consular Authorities can at times be very helpful...

1. You need to pour our your family history on a piece of paper IN POLISH, finishing with "... I have a Polish Soul, Polish blood flows through my veins and I always felt to be an integral part of the Polish Nation. I considered myself to be Polish and was extremely disappointed / hurt / shattered that I had no documentation to that effect." (or words to that effect :D) Whatever you do DO NOT ask for Polish Passport - that is a technicality that may complicate things and best left to the very end.

2. You need to apply for CONFIRMATION (NOT "recognition"! but CONFIRMATION) of your Polish Citizenship (In Poland, if you believe you deserve - you demand!), referring to:

a. the family history you described in part 1.
b. if either of your grandparents/parents dealt with the Polish Consulate (i.e. they had Polish Passports issued in Oz then advise of Passport Numbers and provide copies.

c. your (and that of your parents) Oz birth certificates, each endorsed with an APPOSTIL - international convention seal (issued - attached - to them at the Dept of Immigration and Foreign Affairs or an Australian diplomatic mission if you're no longer in Oz)

d. submit all this to a Polish Consulate and wait. I'm sure there's a fee associated. If you're in Oz then best deal with the crowd in Sydney (Polish Consulate General) - they're heaps nice there (once you get past the receptionist ;D)

3. With Confirmation of Polish Citizenship ("Poświadczenie Obywatelstwa Polskiego") you may:
a. apply for a Polish Passport
b. apply for your unique Polish Citizen number (PESEL)
c. apply for your Polish Tax File Number
d. use b. to get CHEAP (if not free) medical and dental (when in Poland) - I got a root canal for AUD 25.00 last time I visited me rellies

e. invite me to a "Hooray - I'm Polish and I have a piece of paper to prove it! Party!"

Give us a yell if I can be of more assistance, I'm not usually here, so e-mail: kuc671@hotmail
Chris

PS Poles at times can make you wish you weren't one, but there are times you'd die for them... and that makes it worth the trouble of being one! Good luck.

Should've broken my message into five useful parts... :D ... then I would've been able to e-mail you this directly... :(

... oh well - I think the crowd that run this forum are definitely Poles! ;D

Law / Grandparents born in Poland, but parents in Australia - Polish passport? [12]

A widzicie - nic w Polskim społeczeństwie nie da się zrobić bez jakiegoś typu komplikacji! :((
... Czemu Polska Nie Zgineła, Skoro my żyjemy??? ;)

Hey! I just saw you're in Brissy - d'oh - I'm in Adelaide and have itchy feet and thinkin' of going walkabout...

Chris ;)

Love / I'm pregnant of a polish guy [90]

Cheer up - if I know my mother, Polish parents can be quite forceful, if you manage to win them over... true Polish men can be quite loyal... and though Polish women at times need to fight to keep their men, generally they will step aside if they see that he has a child... ;)

1. Pray - it helps to keep focused and look at this as a joyous situation - trust me it'll be a wonderful experience and even your body will produce chemicals that any depressed people would give their right arm for! Sounds like there was a lot of passion...

2. Be friendly and keep in touch with him - he may feel different once the time goes by... and he realises that he's been "caught out" ;)

a. Polish women can be very nosy at times - ;) - can't hide things from them for long... :D
3. See if you can get to meet his parents (just so that you can tell the child a little about his/her ancestry)
4. Polish System is VERY firm on child-support payments if you can proved that he is the father of your child - as if the Irish/British (they have no problems deducting support directly from his salary) - and the child will be born a Polish citizen (if that's any consolation).

You know, my mum was married, but dad left her (and me) before I was 2 years old (he even wanted her to have an abortion - I'm glad she didn't listen to him! :D)... these days marriages can break up so readily - one feels completely shattered...

My mother brought me up - all by her lonesome self - and I loved her with all my heart for that gift and her sacrifice (except when I was a teenager! ;D)... I held her hand when she died in march this year and miss her "nagging" tremendously...

Take care and good luck.
Chris
kuc671@hotmail

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]

The NAZI's were able to effortlessly annihilate so many Jews in Poland (just like the Japs could have done with the Chinese by fencing off China-towns), because they congregated in their own suburbs, but £ódź always was 60% Jewish... with the 40% Poles that were used as workforce in the manchester and service industry there. (1911 World Almanac)

But, on the topic, in most cases they changed their own names. Thus Lech Walesa's father has a different name, while Aleksander Kwasniewski's father also had a different name (incidentally Kwas's father was a prominent NKVD officer in Poland and responsible for ordering the execution of tens of Polish freedom fighters in the 1950's).

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]

BABYLON is RIGHT!!!
AntiJEWISH does not mean antiSEMITIC one can be happily anti jewish whilst being a Seminte - just ask any Arab! :D
To those puzzled:

Semite is a descendant of Shem, Son of Noah, which apart from Jews includes: Arabs, Asyrians, Phoenicians (Turks and even Greeks!)

NAZI's were antiJEWIS (JUDEN RAUS, Star of David, all that stuff)
In WWII the Allies were faced with a real possibility of Turkey entering the war on Germany's side (as in WW I). To prevent this, the World Jewish Congress asked "WHY do NAZIs hate us?" and the NAZI's fell for the trick and said - because of your RACE...

The Jews then said: "But we are Semites - if you hate us, you must hate all Semites". To the NAZI's reply so what? The Jews said: "But that includes all Arabs, and Greeks, and Asyrians and... Turks!"

Consequently Turkey remained cautious (and neutral) and the rest is History.

The term antisemite has proved so effective subsequently, as it had an associated "guilt" (the Allies did not want to believe the Polish Government as to what the Germans were doing in Poland, dismissing it as "war-mongering") and the Jewish lobby has had a free-hand pretty much since then.

A respected Monash University - Melbourne, Australia - (btw - Sir Monash was a Jew ;D - he even missed out on promotion to General in the Australian Army for that very reason!) JEWISH professor of Jewish Studies, Antony Loewenstein, recently wrote a book on what BABYLON says (except the Polish bits) entitled "My Jewish Question" (first thing that pops up in Google!).

I think all those that can read ought to get it and stop being so plainly studid or deliberately ignorant.

The Point is:
1. George W. Bush's jnr Grandfather was Adolf Hitler's Personal Banker

2. George W. Bush was member of "Skull and Bones" fraternity in his University days

3. Is it surprising, that he has precipitated a bloody conflict between Semites?

Remember, the best way to destroy your enemies is to let themselves destroy each other (lower level guards in NAZI Concentration Camps WERE JEWS!)

That's how you achieve "3." - take the smallest sect within your enemies and support them in destroying the larger group. If you succeed, it's much easier to then destroy the small group. The Jews are playing a dangerous game with the assistance of the US White Extremists - interesting to watch... scary to predict...

And lastly, to the fool who said "live and let live" this is a Polish Politics and HISTORY forum - if it doesn't interest you - don't bother reading (and especially replying!) ;D

Ahem... sorrryyy that book title is "My Israel Question"... nice reads - tells ya why US is so pro-Israel... :D
Do buy it - Amazon.com sells it - makes good reads! :)