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Anyone who DOESN'T think Israel, as a race, and especially as a religion, is not hatefully racist in its dealings, lives in ignorance.

Here's some fact-based reading:

revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

You know how I know it's based in fact? Because I own the entire Talmud. It is almost entirely vile, putrid, mindless, aimless, meaningless, GOD-less drivel, that makes the insane ramblings of the Quran seem downright logical by comparison. Both are the products of corrupt, defiled, reprobate minds,....and anyone with the slightest bit of discernment can see this if they actually bothered to ever read. I dare any who doubts any of this stuff is real to go see for themselves. The Talmud is considered Judaism's "Most Holy Book" even above Torah (Jewish version of the Pentateuch). For them to even say such a thing is a horrible blasphemy in itself.

It is for these reasons that Jesus was harshest towards the Pharisees (old skool "teachers" of Jewish "Law") and why it is written of them:

"The Lord says:
"These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by men.

Therefore once more I will astound these people
with wonder upon wonder;
the wisdom of the wise will perish,
the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Woe to those who go to great depths
to hide their plans from the LORD,
who do their work in darkness and think,
"Who sees us? Who will know?"

You turn things upside down,
as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to him who formed it,
"He did not make me"?
Can the pot say of the potter,
"He knows nothing"?" Isaiah 29:13-16

This scripture is repeated in the New Testament by Jesus, pertaining to the Pharisees, against whom it was written: Matthew 15:9, Mark 7:7

It is because of the outright racism of Judaism (Gentiles are considered as animals,...and put together are "not worth one Jewish fingernail" ~ Rabbi Yaacov Perin) the racism is taught to them from a young age. It is a wonder of the human spirit that they do not treat Polish property worse than they have. And as to Israel itself, thousands of IDF troops are defecting because they hate what Israel has become. Look into it.

Last I was to Poland was in 2000,...and while visiting Auschwitz, I learned from Poles about the unruly Jewish Youth,...who would even treat with contempt and irreverence the death sites themselves. According to the director of the tours,...this was an ongoing problem, and she could not understand such irreverence for the millions of Jews killed there (this was in private conversation, not part of the tour, and not intended to be anti-Semitic, but only factual)

I do not hate Jews. I love Jews (but am angry at the ones who disgrace their people). Jesus is a Jew! But it is because Israel does NOT follow God's Law,...and have fallen away for thousands of years,...that they are reprobate in their mindset,...and it shows in all areas of Jewish "culture". Jesus wept for Jerusalem, and said:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." Luke 13:34-35

Jesus was prophesying the fall of Jerusalem by Titus in 70 AD. The siege, recorded by the historian Josephus,...was horrible and gruesome beyond compare.

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What a parade of parroting, know-nothing, morally-bankrupt clowns you are. Weak and pathetic. Personhood begins at conception. For the mentally-challenged of this board, this means that from the time sperm meet egg, a new human being is growing inside the mommy. This is a scientific fact. The more they look into it, the more it is proven.

So, this child was cut up with a sharp instrument,...and sucked out in pieces with a vaccum-cleaner, and the mother's womb scraped "clean" of any possible spare parts left in there, and all in the name of "humanity and decency". You sick parade of milque-toast weaklings. Why not kill the mother as well? After all,...she is also the victim of rape too,...and she will be such a burden to her family and friends,...what with all the psychological problems she is bound to develop due to the rape, and now also the abortion.

Though they were unsuccessful in their attempts,...praise God Almighty for people who actually stood up for the life of that child! And as for all you hand-wringing cowards spouting "Will they support her if she has the baby?" the answer is YES!!! Christian Charity, its about the only charity left in the world. I know a ton of Catholics and Protestants PERSONALLY who go out-of-pocket BIG to help unwed mothers of all kinds. And where will any of you selfish chump-change idiots be? Anywhere but where the rubber hits the road, with your weakling, feel-good rhetoric. In the end you don't really give a rats behind, you're only here to spew what the media has fed you; a steady diet of selfishness, Godlessness, and materialism. Make me sick.

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Bingo. It is a little-know, but true fact, that Jews were, and ARE BIG in communism. Who will tell, or acknowlege the systematic starvation of the Christian Ukraine, at the hands of (Jewish) communists? "Never forget" right, we never should forget "THE Holocaust" but tell me this,...of all the oppression and murder done in the WW2 era,...(high numbers done by the hands of Jewish Bolsheviks) how come the only one you CONSTANTLY hear about is the Jewish Holocaust,...and in fact they call it "THE" Holocaust? Like a trademark?

Here's something else,...the Jews in Hitler's Europe were looking for ways out,...Hitler even wanted to send them away alive (this is why it was called "The Final Solution") American Jews and other European Jews told them NOT to send them to us! So they were slaughtered like cattle. No,...much worse that cattle,...cattle is treated with much more dignity. Jews sold out their own people because they did not want them in the lands they now called home. There is as much Jewish blood on Jewish hands, as there is on German. I know of Jews who were IN the Holocaust,...and got monetary reparations for it (I agree they should get at least that),...and guess who pocketed MOST of the "take"? Their "Jewish" lawyers who never had to taste he pain, the suffering,... the same ones who will sell them out at the drop of a hat. Many Jews profiteer from Holocaust-related themes. It is disturbing.

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Krystal, are you speaking from any experience? I only ask because you do not seem as though you are American,...

The truth is this,...in all countries,...America included,...there are men who treat their women badly. Sometimes horribly badly. And it is on the coat-tails of this sad fact,...and the sympathies involved, upon which the "feminist" movement continues to ride,...much like Bubonic-plague bearing fleas were carried into homes by rats in the Middle Ages (or so is speculated).

Feminism has nothing to do with sympathy,...it has everthing to do with power-hungry women, penis envy, and domination over men. How any of these women ended up with the emotional perversity which they espouse (some were abused in various ways, by men), is regardless of what their end goal is: Total Breakdown of gender roles, in other words, across-the-board Androgyny. (and in some extreme cases, even total subjugation of men, I see this in practice)

A woman is feminine, so to be a "feminist" would seem to indicate that you adore children, want to bear them, raise them, love them,...in a nice and safe haven; a home. Right? No. A "feminist" is a "woman" who hates and scorns the way God made her, instead of loving a child, raising a child,...Abortion! Instead of gentleness, loving kindness, faithfulness,...Loud, obnoxious behavior,...and the verbal and sometimes physical emasculation of the "man". Ever see a "feminist", ever meet one? I have. They are horribly mannish in looks,...and even the "pretty" ones have a certain harshness in their countenance, that acts as a sort of "Anti- Viagra" to any man with working testicles.

Feminism in America has long since reached epidemia. And the men are more to blame than the women. If I had a quarter for every weak, coward of a man in America,...I could single-handedly put an end to world hunger in a week, and still have enough left to buy myself a lot of shiny things just for the hell of it.

But there is hope for America still,...a lot of "feminists" are realizing as their lives wind down,...just how much their womanly heart has been longing for all those things they once scorned,...those things which make them truly feminine,... (I have some articles written by such women,...but I'll have to find the links another day, is late)

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No, it doesn't. But that fact that Hoffman's site has Talmud passages, which demonstrate how depraved and evil the Talmud's teachings really are, and I have the Talmud, and was able myself to look up and confirm that these passages are real, and in no way are misrepresented,...THAT is what makes it "fact-based".

If you were to state me a passage from Mein Kampf, verbatim,...and I owned Mein Kampf (I actually don't) and was then able to look up and confirm that it exists as-stated,...then your statement of the passage being in Mein Kampf,...would be a fact.

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There are documents of correspondence between American Jewish groups and leaders of those under Nazi control. The Jews themselves did not want their own "over-running" the nations they made their home. They did not deal with Hitler direct, so far as I know, but this was years ago I read about this stuff,...and honestly it is a lot of information.

They did not get refused so as "not to upset a friendly nation". How would it "upset" Hitler, to be rid of the very people he had so desperately been TRYING to get rid of? That's not even a cop-out,...it plain don't make no sense. They wanted out because Hitler was tooling up to get rid of them in whatever way, and the Jewish leaders knew this, on both sides of the Atlantic. The Western Jews refused to help their own in deadly peril,...therefore the blood-guilt is also upon their own heads.

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"Some"? That is a heinous misrepresentation of the truth. Hoffman compiled a list (I don't know who's site it is, or their beliefs,...but Hoffman's research is entirely truthful and accurate to anyone who knows how to look for such info: jewwatch.com/jew-communists.html#anchor4458

My,...that's quite a lot of Jewish Communists,...isn't it...

To say that "maybe there's something to..." the concept that there at least "were" Bolshevik Jewish groups out to murder Christians en-masse,...would be a bold understatement.

Do you see how many Jews Stalin had working for him,...in various, specifically anti-Christian murderous capacities? But don't take Hoffman's word for it if you don't want to,...go do the research yourself.

Like I said, I love Jews. But Juda-ISM is nothing but evil, all the time. Ever look into Kabbalah? Ever read the Talmud, even just a little bit? Jews of Judaism are enemies of God, God even says so Himself! Just read through the prophets (all the books between Song of Songs, and Matthew) they were turning away,...to dark magic, to idols,...to their own "laws" which they put ABOVE God's Holy Law,...as is still the case today. The smart Jews turn to Christianity,...the REAL Israel. The foolish, wicked Jews, continue in their filth,...and keep suffering for it,...but instead of returning to God in repentance,...they become yet more rebellious!

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Umm, who said anything about us hating Jews? This is a history lesson.

As to the Ukrainians,...they had already been thoroughly beaten-down with the Red Hammer, cut down with the sickle. It is estimated that 9 Million Ukrainian civilians died as direct result of Stalin's orchestrated famine against them. The famine was orchestrated by Lazar Kaganovitch, a Jew. Where do you ever hear of this 9 Million Ukrainians dying? You do not.

Christians were persecuted and murdered at the hands of communist Jews, in very large numbers,...Ukraine is just one shining example of this. Bolshevik-subjugated Ukraine was not even a shadow of the Ukraine she had once been, but she was thoroughly posessed by the demon of (Jew-created) Bolshevism. Poles know this, and is why they do not largely hate Ukrainians.

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Yes. They do. I just told you that. I myself, as well as many others, have gien and continue t give out of our good fortune, to those in need, to include unwed mothers. Not to mention the fact we pay into Welfare, which does the same.

Careful, your brilliance is showing. It is scientific fact that personhood begins at conception. New DNA, hair color, eyes, personality. A new person. How did you think YOU started, anyway?

And "for first 12 weeks its nothing"? ARE YOU MENTALLY CHALLENGED? Or do you just normally bring half-baked ideas you've collected from the air, to a discussion such as this? Like bringing a knife to an international Thermonuclear show-down. Here's a medical fact for you: Baby's heart-beat begins 21 DAYS after conception. At 12 weeks the baby is kicking, about 2 inches long or so, and his or her kidneys are making pee.


Really, genius? Then tell me,...what part of the woman's body is the Fetus (which is Latin for "little one")? Tell me,...and no I don't need the medical term for what body part of HERS that baby is, just tell me in layman's terms (seems to be all you cn deal in anyway). Go on. What is the name of the WOMAN'S BODY PART, that is the baby?

Haha! You think that God is 2000 years old?

Who has done this and carried it through,
calling forth the generations from the beginning?
I, the LORD -with the first of them
and with the last—I am he." Isaiah 41:4

Yahweh is from the beginning, and He will be for all of eternity. Read the Bible.

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It is not "strange reasoning". It is pure reason and rational thought. The Ukrainian does not hold hatred against the Pole, neither the Pole against the Ukrainian. Both are very agricultural nations,...and the people both very moral and God-fearing. (but no one is perfect, now are they?) Now, as to the Russian,...I know many Poles who still hold anger against Russians in general. This I do not blame them for.

Enter Bolshevism,...utterly raped, pillaged, plundered beautiful Russia,...then with blood on its fangs and lust in its eyes, turned on Russia's little neighbor, Ukraine. When this beast was done glutting itself upon the blood of Ukraine, the remaining people lived in such fear that the only hope for survival was subjugation. Did Ukrainians kill Poles? Yes. But not for nationalistic reason. Not for any "idealistic" reasons. Simply because they were in every way raped by Bolshevik Communism, and under its rule.

There were plenty of Jews who actually HELPED to gas to death their friends and neighbors. This was widespread in all the death-camps. Does this mean that Jews hate Jews? No. It is people, beaten down by horror and death all around.

That is not at all to excuse the Ukrainians who helped to kill anyone wrongly, Jew (there were many Ukrainians working in the death camps), Pole, or any.

And that is not the point. The point is that Bolshevism, Communism,...are JEWISH ideas, created by JEWS, loved by JEWS, and carried out largely....by JEWS! The proof in undeniable, fact-based, irrefutable.

So there you have it. The largest killer of human life in the 20th century; is Jewish Bolshevism.

Regardless of it being this same JewWatch (dumb name for a site) site, here are some more facts:

jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR-Jewish-Bolshevism-Bolsheviks .html

And don't give me this "oh no, I won't read it, because blah blah" cop-out. Its just the facts. You're just afraid to face the music.

I kind of don't blame Jews for hiding this kind of stuff. It tends to cultivate anti-Jewish sentiment.

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Well,...I am wrong? I cited that YOU said:


And then I stated some SCIENTIFIC FACTS that prove you are DEAD WRONG.

I think the evidence is damning, really.

And incidentally,...your cells are still splitting to this day. A newborn baby's cell are "splitting and splitting". It's called "growing", its what happens in LIFE. Death,...is what happens when masturbatory pseudo-intellectuals, such as yourself, reduce a living human being to scientific terminology. It makes it easier to kill them that way. To you, and to the masses of MTV drones who are too lazy to use their minds, let alone their hearts.

And I really like how you did not address a single point of mine. But only to spread some propaganda about Christianity being a brainwashed cult, and obsolete.

But you know what,...I took what you Godless heathen adore so much, Science, and I beat the sh*t out of you with it. God MADE Science, and you would try to use it against Him? Laugh! Tell me,...how does it feel?

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All mankind will be judged by God's Law alone. I myself would be found guilty on that great day,...except Jesus died for me, in my stead. So no,...abortion is not "OK" for anyone. I oppose it in all its forms. It is murder.


Absolutely. It's already been done in America, it's where we got our real and good laws. Ask the Founding Fathers.

God's Law is above man's law, just as the heavens are above the earth. "Thou shalt not Murder" "Thou shalt not commit adultery" "Thou shalt not steal" "Thou shalt not give false testimony"

Where exactly did you think laws came from, anyway? God's Laws have proven to be peaceful, loving, kind,...promoting harmony. Man's laws = sh*t. Everytime Congress gets together nowadays,....I cringe wondering what piece of filth they are about to foist upon us without our consent or acceptance.


Look Seanus,...I understand that this woman is severely traumatized for life, truly I do. And I can understand someone wanting to be "rid" of being pregnant from such an evil occurence...

However,...I refuse to allow the emotionalism involved cause me to consent in my heart to the killing of that child. The child is not at all guilty. And there are so very many people who are willing to adopt a child,...a child born under any circumstances.

Inside her, was a little baby,...who knew nothing of the reason why it was there...but only knew its mother. That is why the people were gathered to try to stop this from happening. It was love.

I am so very tired of dealing with "choicers" that it makes me want to vomit. They are, bar none, the most selfish, evil lot of cretinous monsters that I have ever encountered. The women, because they are heartless and selfish, and hate their own womanhood,...and the men because they are irresponsible cowards who don't want a child getting in the way of their frail, putrid "success", new HDTV, car, bag of chips and fat disgusting belly full of food. Anything that takes their mind from football when they aren't at work, is the devil to them. They are fat, effeminate, swinish creatures,...who have forsaken their position of leadership, except when it concerns who controls the remote to the TV.

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Not really. Considering that it is a living human child, and worthy of protection regardless of what Satanic "laws" are passed in whatever country.


A baby has normal brain waves between 6 and 8 weeks from conception. How do YOU know it wasn't thinking anything? All a baby in the womb knows is that it is warm and safe. A newborn baby is certainly not capable of intelligible communication, so are you going to tell me that infanticide of a post-natal baby is OK because it cannot talk or show signs of intelligence beyond that of an animal?

Come to think of it, I have no discernable memories further back than age 5,...I guess someone could have taken a giant metal instrument,...cut me to pieces with it,...and sucked me out of my bed with a vacuum cleaner,...and no moral transgress would have taken place.

Or should we use the "viability" argument? A child cannot survive without help from parents until probably 7 years old (guessing here, it would differ depending on the child) so I guess anyone who is proven to not be able to survive without outside help, is ripe for killing. Which would include you.


Do I need to have been a Jew, or hosted Jews in my house, to say it is wrong to murder a Jew? The simple fact you condone abortion tells me exactly what kind of selfish piece of monkey-sh*t that you are, so I don't want to hear some sanctimonious bullsh*t from you about "your" requirements for someone to have a right to speak the truth. You sure do have a mighty high horse for someone who advocates the killing of children inside their mothers. You DO nothing, you stand for nothing, you ARE nothing. I lump people like you in the "Sh*t" bin, along with all the other pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. Your opinion is sh*t to me. Like if a child-molester came up to me and started telling me I shouldn't say pedophiles should be killed, I not only would not give a sh*t what he had to say,...but all my energies would be preoccupied in NOT beating him to death where he stood.

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Seanus, honestly man, I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say?

It is precisely BECAUSE I value God's creatures,...and very especially humans, whom He made in His image, that I am here "debating" with a bunch of selfish goons from hell, on an internet forum no less.

Did you know, Seanus, that Hitler himself stated that one of the main reasons for gassing the Jews, was that there was less suffering involved than via other means? He just wanted "rid of a problem", he believed they were not human. Surely there is much darkness surrounding the whole abortion debate, but the facts are there for those who care to read up on it. Many women don't even know they were killing their own child, and after many years of emotional torture, come to terms with that fact. There are far too many variables to lay generalizations about on women who have abortions (a lot of it has to do with irresponsible and cowardly "fathers") but people in general who speak in favor of abortion, are selfish cowardly abominable pieces of sh*t, and as stated, their worthless opinions go in the sh*t-dumpster, where they belong. Over 50 million of America's children cut apart and thrown away like trash,...and watch how many of these selfish vermin swarm onto a single rape case to tout abortion as the savior of the afflicted. Spare me.

In the eyes of God, killing an innocent human being (and who is more innocent than a baby?) is murder, regardless of whether the emotion of "hate" is present. I am not at all interested in Scots Law, or any other law, only God's Law. Seanus I hold nothing against you, but don't expect me to change my views when I know the real truth. I cannot.

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Legislators are known scumbags almost universally. If you know the facts about abortion, just how very human the child is, how hellish and abominable the act of abortion is (I dare you, go see some videos of an abortion,...I won't even watch those), and the fact that "rape and incest" cases constitute less than 1% of the 4000-a-day (which I also oppose obviously) abortions done in America alone,...then no,...I do not care to hear what some fat, overpaid, pompous piece of rat filth legislator has to say in favor of it.


Well good then. I also oppose the oppression of Palestinians. I also oppose the Palestinian view that they "own" the land (I mean as a whole, not those who are deed holders), and its undeniable that Palestinians want all of Israel to be theirs. The whole Israel and Philistia (Palestine) thing has been going on for millenia, Israel, oppressive as it is, is I think far less oppressive and murderous than would be the Palestinians if they had the upper hand. Not so much because of ethnic reasons,...but because Palestine is muslim. Islam is the bastard religion of a pedophile murder, and it shows in the conduct of its people all across the world. But I digress... :)


Absolutely not. I would say virtually none of them have malice aforethought. I know this from experiences in anti-abortion field.


Haha! Seanus, I love you man. Because I can tell you have actually put some thought into this, ie you actually do care. And I love that you think that I have not thought about such things before.

Surely the thought of a child growing up knowing he or she was the product of rape is a terrible thing, to say the least. My words could not do justice the all the pain involved in such a situation. But I know of so many people, who God bless them they would adopt a child with any disabilities, and with any background, and have, and continue to. Why? Because they are Christian, and they understand that real and deep love comes from God, and is in spite of all the dirt, filth, and pain that surrounds us as fallen people,...and especially in cases such as this. Real Christian people know and understand God, the fact the God the Father sent His only Son Jesus to die for our filthy disgusting sins, and to cleanse us thereof,...shows truly, that God loves, even who we think is most un-loveable.

"Sing to God, sing praise to his name,
extol him who rides on the clouds -
his name is the LORD-
and rejoice before him.

A father to the fatherless, a defender of widows,
is God in his holy dwelling.

God sets the lonely in families,
he leads forth the prisoners with singing;
but the rebellious live in a sun-scorched land." Psalm 68:4-6


Yes, rape victims are more prone to suicide. That is a separate issue entirely from abortion.

Here are statistics compiled. Of approximately 150,000 completed rapes per year (obviously something like this fluctuates, but not so extremely) a very very liberal estimate of 500 of them will result in pregnancy. This means that a woman who is raped (regardless of whether this be statutory, assault, or other) has a 0.33% chance of becoming pregnant. And of that extremely liberal estimation, 75-85% of the mothers choose to have the child. Hmmm,...do you think that MAYBE the abortion Industry is USING poor rape victims to spread their murderous social plague?

physiciansforlife.org/content/view/492/26/

Look into it. Your speculation on the issue is meaningless and emotion driven.


In the event of a nuclear attack, victims in the hypocenter of the warhead strike zones feel nothing. They are merely vaporized. Awareness at time of death is not a constituent of what makes murder wrong. In the future, please do not use such bogus premises.


Abortion has severe psychological impact on the would-be mother, regardless of whether she was the victim of rape/incest (extremely rare) or otherwise.

What Ann Furedi is "concerned" about, is this sort of real information going mainstream,...putting her out of a job,...and inciting the wrath of the people against her for the murder she profits from. What a filthy, pestilential, swine of a woman. And my my, she is married to the leader of the Communist Party in Britain. Frank Furedi is a Hungarian Jew. Nothing against Jews as a race, and I know plenty good ones,...but damn if they aren't ALWAYS at the forefront of everything communistic and murderous. I see this not only in positions of abortion "leadership" CONTINUOUSLY,...but also universally among smaller activist groups.


Wrong. Here is an article that goes into that, and much deeper. It lets the mothers speak also. MOST women who are the victims of rape, choose to have their child. Remember, that child is part of them, probably looks a lot like them etc.

afterabortion.org/rape.html


I would call you a dirty rotten liar, but I know you just were ignorant.

aaplog.org
physiciansforlife.org/content/view/61/30/

And did you ever hear of Ron Paul?

This is just off the top of my head. The pro-life "lobby" is CHOCK-FULL of experts in the medical field, most specifically those involved in Ob/Gyn areas.


I am not of the persuasion that truth is relative. If that were true then there would BE no truth. No. Truth is absolute, rock-solid, cannot be moved, harder than diamond, far surpassing all physical and spiritual barriers and attacks. The winds of Time cannot change it, nor can the schemes of false and designing men alter it. It stands.

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Like I said, I could not care less what some useless, self-serving swine with a robe has to say about it. At the point of conception, it is a new person in growing stages. Most women do not even know they are pregnant until 8 weeks after conception, at which point the baby is about 2 inches long, fully recognizable as human. The heartbeat starts at 3 weeks.

You are being dishonest in calling the baby a "will likely be". Wrong. It is an IS. The possibility of miscarriage is completely irrelevent here. Same as would be the case with a post-natal human child, the possibility of SIDS or any other killing agent does not affect the humanity of the child.

The fact you would attempt to use such dishonesty makes me question your intentions. Most women do not know they are pregnant until about 8 weeks. 88% of abortions are committed between 6-12 weeks of pregnancy, with virtually NONE at less than 5 weeks. And like I said,...the heart-beat starts at 3 weeks, regular brain waves at 6-8 weeks. Let's put it this way,...no one has an abortion unless they know there is a person growng inside them. If it's "only a blob of tissue" then why is it called "pregnancy" and not "cancer". So please, in the future, spare me this "what baby?" bullsh*t, OK?


Most of them will not express their true feelings concerning this, but Islam is well-known as a murderous religious entity, the founder of the religion was an outright murderer and pedophile. Palestinians are ok people in general, but like I said, if the situation were reversed,...were it not for the fear of retribution from the rest of the world,...I think the Palestinians would exterminate the Jews systematically just as Hitler did, but perhaps with less "mercy". Judaism espouses the same type of "anyone else is fit for killing" ideals (read the Talmud), but is much more tactful about it, Islam is more honest as to their true nature. Who would I feel more "safe" among, religious Judaics or religious Muslims? The Judaics. They might hate me in their hearts,...but they are far less likely to act on it.


How is it not clear to you yet that I don't care about how the "law" defines murder? Murder is the wrongful intentional killing of a human being. Not malice, anger, hate, or any other emotion need be present. The most proficient killers in history are those who express no emotion in doing so. The whole problem is that it is "legal"! Where the "law" fails to protect innocent little ones, I am forever a sworn enemy of that "law".

Infanticide is murder of an infant. To me that is a small child, whether post- or pre-natal. Science tells me a new human being starts growing AT CONCEPTION.


Please tell me what questions I did not directly address? I tend to go for the intended meaning, rather than to waste time with endless word-ology, which is a waste of both our time.


A completed rape is vaginal penetration. Simple. I thought you would understand that. I never admitted that abortion is not murder,...as a matter of fact, I stated that abortion IS murder, several times, quite clearly, and without stuttering, I also implied it heavily throughout this discourse. And I will do so again: Abortion is MURDER!

I am bringing up numbers that prove that you were WRONG about YOUR numbers. This always has and always will be about principle for me. But don't ever think that I won't bring up statistics to back up what I say, when you continue to speak FOR the women in question, assuming their emotions FOR them! Abortion is NOT restitution! Look into studies done on this subject (do a search, I'm not going to be your homework-monkey here) concerning women's feelings on this subject. The baby is human and worthy of protection regardless of the mother's feelings, same as any other post-natal child, but the fact is that MOST RAPE VICTIMS WHO BECOME PREGNANT BY THE RAPE, CHOOSE TO LET THEIR CHILD LIVE! 75-85% OF THEM!

I have emotions, I am human. But human emotion does not constitute morality. Abortion cheerleaders will constantly harp upon the emotions of the easily-swayed idiotic masses about the "rape and incest" victims, who represent less than 1% of abortions. They do not tell you about the depression, guilt, of abortion,...how the women suffer silently for years and years with it,...not feeling able to tell anyone or talk to anyone. The abortion Industry MAKES BIG CASH OFF OF THIS! They aren't here to "help". If you have ever had any discussion with women who have come to terms with the guilt of abortion,...the pain inside them is profound and certainly very real. But please, you know all about their feelings, so continue to harp on it.

Sentiency is meaningless as it concerns a growing person (not to mention the fact it RAPIDLY loses ground AT LEAST at the point of brain waves, 6-8 weeks). Personhood begins at conception. Who you ARE (at the very LEAST biologically speaking) is determined at conception. Why not make "intelligibility" a constituent of personhood, or how about the ability to survive with NO help outside of themselves,....the ability to keep a steady job,...how big your car is,...your race,...? The thing these all have in common with "sentience" is that NOT ONE OF THEM MEAN SH*T as it concerns what a human person is! I not only wiped out sentience with one dismissive stroke,...but I stamped it into the ground with my boot and **** all over it.


And I already stated, Science AND GOD (fancy that) say that personhood begins AT CONCEPTION. So 89% of abortions are committed between 6-12 weeks. So what? Like if someone told me "Well, did you know that MOST infanticides occur before the child is even 2 weeks old?" WHO CARES!


No. Your stats were not "too high", they were non-existant. Mine are real and based in fact, and I presented them.

Yes, surely we pro-lifers are a self-serving lot. We uphold children, financially, emotionally, and in all other ways,...while the "choicers" either abort for convenience or money, and abortion industry gets rich off of their murders. Your "arguments" are irrational and foolish.


Nice. Here you show your true colors. This was and always WILL BE about YOUR FEELINGS concerning this subject! And it was so very touching, heart-warming even, that YOU HAVE CALLED EVERY VICTIM OF RAPE WHO CHOSE LIFE, LESS OF A WOMAN FOR IT!

You aren't and never WILL BE the victim of rape or pregnancy, yet you place your own putrid "feelings" in place of THEIRS? How dare you!


I know and consort with other anti-abortion people regularly, to say that a large portion of them are medical personnel (either nurses, or doctors) would be an understatement. Oh, you weren't talking about "the pro-life lobby as a whole"? Oh sorry mate my bad, I guess you were only talking about the part of them that is NOT medically accredited. How transparent and self-serving of you. And no I didn't read your link, abortionists are murderers and liars. They have and continue to lie about anything, so long as what they actually DO remains largely unknown to the public. And you have proven in this thread that YOU are willing to use dishonesty to "present" your case also.


No, I didn't recognize it. I have no need of trivialized and irreverent representations of Jesus Christ.


Nice one. You favor cutting the child to pieces with a sharp instrument, and then sucking the pieces out with a vacuum,...yet the "pro-life" lobby attempts to introduce laws (that are not lies or deceptions) which protect the childs mental well-being, and you look upon that scornfully? All this time you have been parading as though you were in favor of the child's feelings? Smiling and holding flowers out, with a bloody knife behind your back. Do me a favor; don't keep ****ing down my back and tell me it's raining.

I'm done with you. You have proven to be exactly the selfish sort of vermin that is prevalent among the Free World's "menfolk".

Love / What do Polish women think of feminism? [99]


This has got to be a joke.

I would agree that by what I hear from women from all nationalities, men could use some serious help in the area of making love,...but for you to say the woman is doing anything to keep her mind off of it? That is ridiculous. In my experience, women want sex just as badly, or worse, than men want it.

As to the "counting flies in the web",...well your statement says much more about you and YOUR unfulfilled sex life, than it does about men in general. Which would go for any feminist who would say similar things.

Like if I were to say:

"Women are nothing but ****** and pigs" (I would never say such a thing, this is an example).

To the discerning person, this would translate as:

"I am unmanly and socially inept, I could not satisfy a woman with all the Viagra in the world,...and the ones desperate enough to date me quickly flee when they find out what I am really like".

You see? :)


This is foolish and incorrect thinking, and as a man I take extreme offense to being lumped in with vermin and swine, pimps and johns.

Prostitution is evil and degrading to women. Men who consort among such, and especially men who partake it enslaving the women in such manner, are not men at all, but cowards and devils.

Real men want a wife who is feminine, who loves them and will care for the home, the children, and them. A real woman loves this role, and would accept no other. Like I said previously, so very many feminists are now regretting wasting their lives without children, and without being a home-maker. A woman who is driven to be the bread-winner and to abandon her position of home-keeper,...is just as repulsive and counter-intuitive as a man wanting to give birth and breast-feed children and stay at home mothering then while the woman works. It is something scornful and abominable.

A woman, by design of her body and spirit, is meant to compliment the man, be his helper, she is not created for leadership. This is why it is women who are enslaved as prostitutes,...and not the other way around, because they are the weaker,...and the reason they are enslaved and used,...instead of loved and protected,...is because of cowardly and swinish "men" do not know how to love a woman,...and men who should be putting an end to such activity have abandoned their position of leadership,...for the comfort of the reclining chair and the HDTV.

News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]


Abortion is the killing of a growing child in its mother, so the "how" the baby got there is immaterial as to the moral ramifications of abortion.


Yes, and I do not care to.

Its sure easy to have someone killed who you never have to even look at, isn't it now? Politicians and lawmakers are in general very biased and bent on steering society to their own Godless, empty version of a morality-free existence. Of course they agree that to murder a person we all can see is "wrong",...if they didn't they would be publicly ostracised. What say you to the fact that before 1973, abortion was illegal in the US?

Those emotional waves you are riding so high on, pertain (perhaps in lesser degree) to any illegitimate child. Maybe we should just go about killing all the unhappy children in the world. That will make the world a happy place, and you won't have to ever "worry" about anyone else's feelings ever again. Won't that be wonderful, you dear bleeding heart?

Personal unhappiness does not constitute the right to kill someone. This would go in the filing cabinet under D for "Duh".


We now have evil "doctors" who will "inform" women as to POSSIBLE complications and or/abnormalities in their growing child,...and advise abortion. Downs Syndrone is one example. I know of several cases personally of such "doctors" advising such, the mother rejected it, and the baby is born healthy. Man wants to play God, and that never ends well. If it hadn't been for Courtney Love's violent protection of her baby from such doctors; Frances Bean Cobain would have been butchered alive inside her mother, under the premise that she would be abnormal due to Courtney's on/off drug addictions.

Millions of test-tube babies? What would you say if there was a giant tarantula that was 15 stories high and had laser-beam eyes, destroying the city of Los Angeles! Let's be more ridiculous, please? But to answer your retarded question, I would say not to kill a single one of the test-tube babies, but to stop the mad biologist.

No, it is NOT restitution. A woman who is raped without a child then is "devoid of that painful memory"? Wow. Shows just how ZERO you know about the psychological effects of abortion OR rape.

And you still provided no "stats" because like I said they don't exist and you are full of sh*t. My stats are not made up. Please explain how you have arrived at this brilliant conclusion, Holmes?


Oh please tell me more, Mr. Humanitarian of the Year aka "self-respecting women of rape get abortions". You don't know sh*t, and to top it off, you judge women who choose to let their baby live to be lesser women for it.

We are dealing with a 14 year old. And also a "Few Week old". Both are victims of trauma and need love, care, and protection. Got it?

You call this rational debate? You continue to ignore the FACTS, while espousing your own baseless sh*t opinions and claim to be speaking for pregnant rape victims!

No, sentience is NOT relevant here. As far as genetic make-up, yes, who you are is determined at the point of conception. Science upholds this as absolute truth. People can change, for the better or for the worse, based on many different factors, throughout their entire lives. But as a PERSON, they STARTED at conception.


Again you bring up something completely irrelevent to this discussion. I'll say it again, with Science having my back (facts, like I said) genetic make-up, to include ALL the code of the NEW HUMAN PERSON is DETERMINED AT CONCEPTION! The philosophical side of "who we are" has NO BEARING ON THIS WHATSOEVER! But nice diversion, it may have even worked on someone more dull.

And why is 12 weeks the "critical period"? What EXACTLY about "12 weeks" makes a person a person instead of a "zygote"? I can't wait to hear this answer,...that is IF you dare to even answer it.

Where is a child birth certificate 1 week before birth? What about children born in places or under circumstances where they never GOT a birth certificate? Are you really so fresh out of ideas, and have become so desperate? A cripple, a small child, or a mentally handicapped person cannot do many things that "people" can do. Once again you come around to defining whether someone is human or not by what actions or thoughts they are capable of. I know a fine chap named "Hitler" who thought in much the same way. Hmm.

So to kill the child is "cleansing"? Thank God that 75-85% of rape victims don't think the way you do (and the other 15-25% feel more dirty because of it), but you are their spokesperson, so I guess it doesn't matter what they think after all.

Are you still so dull? Abortion of a living human PERSON is MURDER REGARDLESS OF THE MEANS BY WHICH THAT PERSON WAS CREATED! The woman needs healing for her trauma, ABORTION IS ONLY MORE TRAUMA FOR HER! Abortion = deeply hurtful, possibly deadly for mommy, and almost always deadly for baby.


Well I am glad to hear you are a Christian, and that you are "mostly" pro-life. But I draw the battle lines with no quarter given at abortion, as I'm sure you can see. Just because we "encounter death" does not mean we should create death, and certainly not against a completely innocent one.

With all I have I would try to convince her to let the child live,...possibly even raise it as our own (this would take much consideration) but upon receiving all the facts of life,...if she still chose to abort the child, I could not continue with her. If later she regretted and repented, I would receive her back,...but not before. What you have essentially asked me is "Will you abandon your principles handed to you by God, for the affections or good graces of a woman" and the answer to that question will always and invariably, God help me, be a resounding "No". But thankfully the chances of this (God forbid it) happening are not only virtually non-existant, but the chances of her wanting death for the child are even less than that.

News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]


Nope. Protestant. Repentance is confessing and fully regretting a sin, a change of heart.


I should care about this why?


No. We need to take the RIGHT position. That being that the baby is a human being and worthy of all the protections afforded a human being. Have you listened to a word I have said? Please don't waste my time like this...I truly have better things to do than waste words on fools.


The fact she was 14 or raped is immaterial to the fact the child is a living human being inside her. And I'm so glad to hear that "wisdom" for you is something that can flit about and change colors depending who makes the "laws". It's so nice to know that Hitler didn't really commit any moral trangress by killing the Jews en masse after all. "Conventional wisdom" had changed.


Of course the family is important. It is the very foundation of functional society.

Yes, I am against "gay marriages". God's Word says homosexuality is an abomination.

She should be forced to bear the child, as it is a human child with rights afforded by God, if not man. But raise it, no. Oh so now it's only "unplanned" children who are ripe for killing then?

I am against the US invasion of Iraq or any other country. The US had been bombing Iraq for years prior to the 2002 invasion, resulting in over 500,000 civilian deaths. Rough estimate.


Only fools trust a doctor who tell them to have an abortion. I could do nothing but persuade them otherwise.


You truly are a snake. "mass kill through AIDS" reference please, what the hell are you talking about? And to create masses of test tube babies you would need masses of women willing to partake of such an abomination. Like I said, love the children born, stop the mad scientist. It's simple really. Again you resort to ridiculous and unrealistic scenarios to try to snake around the real issue, THE PERSONHOOD OF THE UNBORN BABY!

And "all manner of social ills" what about the fact that there are 50 MILLION children murdered in America alone since 1973!


Of course she will bear scars, for the rest of her life she will. But it has been proven that the abortion due to the rape ADDS ANOTHER AND DEEPER SCAR!!! Oh but don't read anything about the actual STUDY DONE on this very specific subject, because that's not pertinent, is it!

Don't give me this "who, me?" sh*t, you piece of Jell-o. The OBVIOUS AND UNMISTAKEABLE implication is that a woman who DOESN'T get an abortion after a rape, doesn't respect herself. That was your intent and meaning, because this was always about YOUR feelings on the issue. And seeing as the facts are that 75-85% of these victims DO NOT get an abortion,...its nice to know how you look down upon them, after pretending this whole time it was about THEIR feelings.


Listen to me very carefully,...personhood is a human being. A human being's life begins at the point of conception, when HE OR SHE IS CREATED by a sperm and egg joining. It is how human life begins and I suggest that you go back to High School and learn about it again.

Are you honestly retarded? I said that SENTIENCY DOES NOT CONSTITUTE PERSONHOOD! Look at the DNA if nothing else, and look at the obvious fact it is a growing BABY! "What are its essential features?" Please spare me the dumb act, you're good enough at actually BEING dumb that you don't need to ad lib.


I already threw away sentiency long ago. I know the grief process it complicated,...but you need to at some point recognize that sentiency does not constitute personhood. Hey, there are drugs that put people into comas, maybe we can just go about doing that to people, and then they will no longer be a person and we can do what we will to them!


"Debating" would have to mean that you actually aknowledge themes and questions I have repeated to you over and over and over again. The person's genetic make-up (what makes them a BIOLOGICAL PERSON, and I say spiritual as well) is ALL PRESENT and GROWING at the point of conception. All other things which impact how a person TURNS OUT TO BE, can occur all throught their life, and have no bearing on their personhood at conception.

A new person is like a clean slate (and no, I don't mean a person is a piece of rock) they can input things into their own mind, or other people can, they can acquire emotional and physical scars, self-inflicted or otherwise. All those means nothing as to WHEN THAT PERSON STARTED TO BE A HUMAN, and THAT, Science tells us, begins AT CONCEPTION! And your "midlife crisis" thing only PROVES that our realization of who we are is irrelevent to the fact we are still a person. Otherwise the second someone "doubts" their identity, they are ripe for killing. Why would you bring up something that shoots the legs off your own argument?

I defined personhood several times already. Are you truly this dull, or are you simply making me repeat myself for sport?


Women feel even MORE "dirty" AFTER HAVING AN ABORTION! It dramatically increases their physical and emotional trauma! Read the study done on the subject, which you continue to blatantly disregard, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE MOST PERTINENT PIECE OF RESEARCH REGARDING THIS ISSUE!!! So to hell with your "cleansing".

Surely there are hard issues out there. But do not expect me to wring my limp-wristed hands together and pity a pile of swinish monsters marching for the "right" to continue to murder their own offspring. Where are the tears for all the children who were never born, but cut apart and thrown away like trash? I assure you, the would-be mothers weep for them, and the ones who don't have pent it up so much that they cannot, but please tell me more about their "feelings" oh wise one!

Consideration of whether or not she and I would be ready to take on raising a child in such cisrcumstances. There are plenty of people willing to adopt a baby. Oh wait,...I see,...we should choose to KILL the child, but cannot choose to let someone else adopt it? Please don't go there.

If I felt that she was truly sorry I would welcome her back with open arms,...as God does for all repentant sinners. But it is God she needs forgiveness from, not me. Even after the fact, prior to her (possible) repentance,...I would be reaching out to her in any way I could. Just like God does.

So,...you are a Christian,....and you DON'T understand what forgiveness is? I thought I am supposed to be the insensitive dog here?


Wow. Have you told your wife about your "A self respecting woman would have an abortion" thing? Go tell some women who have given birth to their child conceived by rape, and love the child, see what they think. Mr. Sensitive.

Tell your wife I'm glad that she enjoys reading my material.


Yes, as I stated, without marriage you have a failed and rapidly crumbling society, so in fact I highly esteem marriage. But "Sanctity of choice"? Here's your "sanctity of choice, you swine!

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I don't give a rat crap who I am "offensive" to,...if someone finds it offensive that I will not move one inch where it concerns sanctity of LIFE, then that person is someone whose opinion gets lumped in with pedophiles, rapists, and murderers, and if all of them hate me,...then praise God that I am an enemy of His enemies, and forever shall be.

It is God's word, read Psalm 139:

For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be. Psalm 139:13-16

Yes, it does. Jesus died to cleanse us of ALL sin, to include murder. Its not up to me to "forgive them", but God, and He says He will, and He does. And umm,...yes that goes for ALL WOMEN who ever repent of abortion. In what way exactly is this unclear to you? I know many women who have repented of abortion,...and I dearly love them. Women in general are unaware that they have actually killed their own child in abortion, but they have extreme guilt,...and it can take decades to come to terms with it, even more so the older generation when the facts of humanity in the unborn child were more cleverly concealed by the abortion lobby.

Do you think God is stupid, and He cannot know the difference between true repentance and false? Even a discerning human person can see through such evil ruses.


Yes, we certainly can see it, it is the main theme and purpose of the Bible.


How exactly did I "abandon" my principles by accepting my woman back after she had repented? Aren't I supposed to be the insensitive one here? I should show Her less love than God Himself?

News / If Poland is attacked by Russia will N.A.T.O help defend Poland or not? [171]


Poland is NATO since 1999. Yes, NATO will defend Poland unquestionably. Even if Poland was not NATO member, I believe US would step in heavy-handedly. There was talk of a US/Russia war over the Georgia/Ossetia crisis over the past year. It is surprising to hear how many Americans still dislike Russia, even young people. But people do not understand largely the implications of tactical nuclear weapons.


Russia has a population of 140 Million, Poland 38 Million, 3.5 to 1, those are not very bad odds, considering the size of Russia. Factor in that Russia is flat broke, the fact that the US has 300 Million population, Germany 83 Million, UK 60 Million,...

The presence of masses of nuclear weapons possessed by many NATO countries essentially precludes the possiblity of any incursive military action by Russia, ever. And in the event that they are retarded enough to try it,...they would not only be defeated,...they would be utterly annihilated.

News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]


It involves you LISTENING!!! when I said it is confessed and forgiven by God alone. Prayer.

As to "keep it out of the courtroom",...well you must have about no knowledge whatsoever concerning the judicial system and how we have the good Laws we have,....and oopsie THE FACT THAT THEY MAKE YOU SWEAR UPON THE BIBLE IN THE COURTROOM "SO HELP ME GOD"!!!

Now, what have you to say to that, Mr. Brilliant?


No, I don't care to hear the opinions of Atheists and Agnostics in shaping the Law. Someone who has no fear of God and no moral law to direct them cannot be trusted to have anything to do with shaping laws of nations. So yes, their input is invalid dreck if it differs from God's Law, which is my whole problem with abortion, which was introduced by Godless, wicked, foul murdering beasts.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao,....just to name a few examples of what happens when Godless men take over the Government. Human life is no longer protected. God's Holy Law protects even that child of rape.

You claim to be a Christian? Then read 1 Kings chapter 3,...and you tell me from whom men get Wisdom by which to govern peoples. And the Godless should then rule us? We can learn from history what happens when THAT happens...

Likely to be arrested for what, exactly?


I already did elaborate. The CHILD inside her is a SEPARATE and INNOCENT party, worthy of all protections afforded a human person under the law.


So? And?

The protection of the baby inside her is not intended to punish the woman, this is an emotional tactic on your part to make it seem as though I am an insensitive dog. This is protection of the new life, as stated several hundred times as yet, by yours truly.

And who should be punished and for what?


And I have ICBMs waiting in the silos, so sling that "bow" up and rattle your spears, because you are about to be obliterated.

By Merriam-Websters definition, a crippled child, a newborn child, or a mute child, or a mentally handicapped child,...none of them would be truly a child, and none would be protected under the law. Why do you continue to bring up "points" that shoot the arms and legs off of your already crippled, feeble "argument"? It's embarassing really,...in fact I am embarassed FOR you.


I say it is demonstrable beyond doubt that homosexuality is both physically and mentally destructive and retarding to those who participate. That is why, until our most recent plunge into the abyss as a nation, Homosexuality was considered by the American Psychaitric Association to be a mental disorder? They changed it in the 70's,....just like abortion...

And blah blah blah. Look I just read God's word and apply it to life,...like it was meant to be. I'm not in the least interested in your diversion here. If her repentance is real, my forgiveness is real.


So you are going to tell me that, based on FUTURE POSSIBLE AGONIES of the child, we should kill the NON-child to prevent that? And would you not be preventing them from all the POSSIBLE JOYS IN LIFE AS WELL? You are such a hypocrite.


No. Doctors compel. They are known for this type of thing nowadays. That and asking if the woman wants her "tubes tied" IMMEDIATELY after giving birth. How nice and not at all self-serving of them.


You said what you said. You revealed your true thoughts on this subject. Now lets move on.

Yes, I will "rally round" and prepare for this event that will SURELY HAPPEN, even though the chances of it are one in 150,000. Listen you creep,...IF this ever happened, I would have to deal with it then, and I would either raise the child myself, or if I felt someone else could give the child a better home, there would be plenty of people willing to adopt him or her.


Science is only the study of things God created. "Science" itself, the deeper they look points to a CREATOR. Science is my friend.

Ever heard of METALLURGY? I like Metallurgy,...cars,...trains,...airplanes,...even weapons for protection,...now imagine someone was using a METAL KNIFE TO KILL PEOPLE! Is my opposition to THAT indicative that I hate Metallurgy? No. You are an idiot, please stop coming up with idiotic arguments, it wastes both our time.


I define personhood at the start of a new person; which is conception. Look, I already destroyed "immediate sentiency" as defining a person,...someone who is sleeping, or someone in a coma, or a child who will be sentient within a few WEEKS,...none are NOT A PERSON simply because they are not AT PRESENT fully sentient. Please don't bring this up again, I destroyed it too many times, I feel like I'm in a zombie movie.


Because it is someONE WHO will be "sentient" in a matter of weeks. Anyone can see that. If it is cancer, call it cancer,....if it is PREGNANCY call it a BABY!


No, I don't wish. I have a hard enough time getting you to realize that it is immaterial to the debate. But I understand it IS all you have....


Look, I'm not interested in a bunch of fairies who aren't willing to take a stand against murder,...its better off that such cowards label themselves so I know not to waste time on them.


And why not "the benefit of the doubt" to the baby of a rape victim? Did something about the rape alter its DNA or make it someone NOT human?


Listen you tool, I conceded fully and heartily that who we BECOME has a number of different factors,...but as a NEW HUMAN PERSON, everything is CREATED IN OUR DNA AT CONCEPTION! OUR OWN UNIQUE DNA, WITH ALL THAT ENTAILS! Is there a simpler way to put this, so even YOU can understand? Obviously you are not in the least scientifically competent.


Explain how you have arrived at your brain-sludge conclusions please, you raving lunatic. We shouldn't go out and develop ourselves? Eh? Where did I say or imply ANY SUCH THING? I assure you, I did not. You are insane and I am quickly starting to realize just how much of a waste of time you are....though I am doing this more to let others know the real truth,...rather than because I think there is hope for you.


Someone who views Christian forgiveness as their playground to do whatever evil they wish, do not understand repentance or forgiveness.

Yes, I would truly forgive you. Though as punishable under the law, to the law you would be given, and you would accept this as a Christian. Jesus asked the Father to forgive the Roman soldiers who crucified Him,...while they were nailing his hands to the cross...

For someone who CLAIMS to be a "Christian" you surely do attempt to make a mockery out of its most profound and meaningful principles.


Marriage is not above doing what is right. And I could not countenance an unrepentant murderess in my house. As of now, there is no law to punish women who get abortions, not to mention the fact it is so easy to lie to them and tell them it is NOT really a child. Knowing and talking to so many women who have repented of abortion,...as I said, they were unaware. Again, I am speaking from experience, and you are speaking from your *ss. Please stop doing that. The crime, on her repentance, would have been punished, taken by Jesus, just as every other sin.


This could apply to any person for any sin ever committed. So pardom me for not participating in your diversion/mockery.
Not all women who abort do it without malice. Some people are different than others. Murderers come in all flavors. What is your point? I guess you did not have one, else we would have arrived at it long ago.


Mr. Hypocrite? You're going to have to explain how I am a hypocrite. Do this now.

News / If Poland is attacked by Russia will N.A.T.O help defend Poland or not? [171]

PolishCanuck,....what the hell do you know about anything? You're from Canada.

You apparently know nothing of radiation poisoning, fallout, environmental contamination, or anything else associated with the detonation of nuclear weapons. This is all aside from the simple fact that IF Russia would ever be so retarded as to do such a thing,...the worldwide repercussions would leave the entirety of populated Russia one massive, nightmarish firestorm, killing her population almost absolutely. The US and UK (at least) strategies for nuclear war is the use of many smaller nukes spread over populated areas, rather than one very large bomb making up the same yield tonnage. The reason being to maximize the resulting inferno, creating entire landscapes of firestorms which would destroy everything and everyone, leaving absolute death in their wake. The goal: Total Annihilation of the Civilian Population

Why do you think that there have never been any tactical nuclear weapons ever used against another nation? And no land wars waged against nations bearing nuclear weapons since their creation and proliferation? This stuff is to be feared.

News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]


Well then why not swear upon the Talmud? The Koran? For someone knowledgeable about the legal system,...you surely are clueless as to its origins.


Hitler WAS a Catholic. He was a social Darwinist with no official religion,...although many aspects of Hitler's 3rd Reich point to a Germanic pagan religion. A moral man, good. But "moral" by whose standards? Where do we get "morality" from? Hitler thought it was right and "moral" to murder Jews. Hmmm.

The reason your father is a MORAL man is because he has come from a CHRISTIAN NATION, where CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES are impressed upon the children from youth. At least that is the way it used to be,...but don't worry,...the atheists are quickly changing that,...and we see what direction the Free World is headed.


Bullsh*t. The umbilical cord is a channel by which the baby is nourished inside mommy. And you know that, right? And how does baby get fed afterwards? BREASTS! then, a SPOON! "Wow. How independent."! Please address this, you blubbering toolbag.


How about I say "Self-respecting people hate Jews." that would tell everyone what I was really thinking, unquestionably. And it wouldn't matter how furiously I back-pedaled, everyone would know and there would be nothing I could do about it.

You want that children conceived of rape should all be aborted.


Can a newborn baby reflect on its childhood? No. Guess its not a child then, fit for killing by whomever "decides". Points not valid, as stated.


There is no "gay gene". It never existed. It was a THEORY, which even the Scientific "elite" are now abandoning. But please, tell me more oh wise and learned one.

And yes, homosexual people are afforded the protections provided PEOPLE. I think the acts of homosexuality should be illegal and punishable, as they were until most recently. No, not selective at all. Nice try though, you dunce. Keep on ingnoring every point I make while coming up with new brainless schemes every 5 seconds, thinking I'll become so preoccupied with those that I'll forget the main issue.


So human suffering is reason enough to end life? Then why do you CLAIM to feel bad about the mother offing herself? I suppose that "entity" (another way to say A PERSON) was never meant to be either. The fact that she will never know any more joys in life is an "acceptable result".


On that we can certainly agree.


Take these silly, foolish little pieces of "argument" of yours, and apply them to ANY PREGNANT WOMAN AT ANY STAGE OF PREGNANCY! They completely ignore the question of HUMAN LIFE, and of the MORALITY of abortion.

Example: Mommy is trying to get a new job,...but there's a problem, she has to take care of little Janey, and that day-care is so costly. Why put her through this "hassle", when she can just take Janey down to the dark man in the alley who can cut her up with a saw, put the pieces into a gabage bag, and throw it away.

"Practical" and "social" reasons! But I suppose, with you, where human life is concerned, "any excuse will do".


Ahh, but there are certain undeniable things upon which they all HAVE TO agree, due to overwhelming empirical evidence. Among those is A NEW HUMAN PERSON BEGINS WHEN THE SPERM MEETS THE EGG, ie AT CONCEPTION! So sorry, not a bullet struck, and I am looping to come up behind you and fire another heat-seeker at your fragile Sopwith.


AHA!!! So you admit that human beings in a state of "temporary non-sentience" are not inhuman becuase of it. "Temporary" 1. lasting, existing, serving, or effective for a time only; not permanent: a temporary need; a temporary job. Would you say then,...that a baby inside the womb's "non-sentience" would be "temporary"? Oh wait, you would HAVE TO!! I am grinning so smirkily right now. Now I've got you nailed to the wall, you slimy piece of green Jell-O.


What, first you say "sentience",...then you say "If the baby is alive"...? Wouldn't a HEART-BEAT from a HUMAN HEART have something to do with being ALIVE? Because that begins 3 weeks after conception. So is it, "sentiency" or being "alive" that constitute what it means to be a human person? I think you are confusing yourself.


Yes, it IS a human being. FROM THE POINT OF CONCEPTION IT IS HOMO SAPIENS AND NO OTHER!

I cannot continue such a discussion with someone who refuses to acknowledge Scientific facts proven long ago. Go back to High School and re-learn this.


Sentiency, as has been proven, is not what constitutes personhood. Same as: walking, talking, hearing, speaking, independent survival, color, gender, height, weight, age, mental capacity. None of those are central as to what constitutes a "person". Now, you were saying?


I have looked and I responded to all of your garbage you threw my way, though regrettably, as it has been such a waste of my time.

It's like a lion, chasing a chimp through an office building,....and the chimp just keeps climbing higher and higher,...throwing chairs and tables in the way in terror,...not able to realize that once he reaches the top floor he will be cornered, and not able to withstand the lion.


Sometimes it takes "people" in general longer to come around, as will be the case with abortion, and its starting now. But that doesn't change the fact that today's world is rife with little fairy-boys who couldn't care less if a woman was being raped in an alley as they walked past it. They either wouldn't care, or their little heart would bleed but they'd be too much a coward to go take a crowbar and cave the rapist's skull in with it.


Plenty of people whom I PERSONALLY KNOW, are conceived outside of marriage, or inside of marriage by unplanned. And they know this. But I love them anyway. A person's origin has nothing to do with the fact that they are Homo Sapiens, HUMAN, made in God's as according to His word, and worthy of all the protections afforded! A person conceived by a rape IS NO LESS HUMAN THAN YOU OR I! I keep telling YOU!


Yes, surely it is a difficult thing, to not even be scratching the surface. I have said this all along, and everyone else knows it too.


Yes, I would in fact love to meet these people. So I could tell them, if they don't know already, just how much God loves them and is a Father to them regardless of how they came to be on earth, or who has scorned them because of it.

Would YOU like to meet them,...and seeing their faces, tell them about how YOU think they should have all been aborted and not allowed to live?

Now tell me, who is a slimy toad?


Apparently (again) you are unaware of what DNA is, I'm so sorry the public schooling system has failed you so, Seanus.


No kidding, as*hole. I already said this several times. It is apart, once again, from the FACT that as a human being, we begin AT CONCEPTION! Can't you get that?


Yes, punishing those who act to harm others, the protection of human life IS the purpose of the LAW!


How many times? As many times as they are sincere in repenting. Isaid I don't treat them as murderers, even the ones who haven't repented. They are largely deceived and it would be insensitive.

What exactly is your point in all this?


And you are a cross-dressing Transvestite. How? "Just look above to your posts"

Please connect statements and accusations with reality, and demonstrate the "how" to the rest of us. This you have not done.


Yes, surely it has nothing at all to do with the protection of human life, as I have only stated about a hundred times in sequence so far, and will continue. You know, I'm sure the good little Nazis thought similar things of Christians who hid Jews in their homes in Nazi occupied Europe. Damned Religious Nutters. Always out to ruin everyone's fun.


No. The difference is that "lifers" believe human life is precious and should be protected, in the womb or anywhere else. "Choicers" are cowards and weaklings, even murderers,...they are those who are sexually promiscuous, perverse, rebellious, and how DARE anyone tell them what to do with THEIR body! No morality, just right to do as they please with no consequence.

"My body, my choice". The mantra of the "choicer". Well answer me this then, M-G,...what part of a WOMAN'S body, is the "fetus"? Go on, answer the question you sniveling coward.


Yes, I have done nothing here but keep drabbling on about a vengeful and unforgiving God. Shows you haven't read a word. So shut the f*ck up about it.

You are such a fool, you sit there fat and lazy in your chair, and attack the very One who created you, and whose servants have lived, spoken, fought, bled and died to provide you a safe haven by which to mock and insult them. You are a pimple.


Yes, you have perfectly described Seanus. But you forgot to add that he also completely ignores when his "points" are struck down one after the other, and REFUSES to address the most pertinent ones.

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Like I said. Cowards and weaklings are everywhere, none of that changes the principles of Christianity. The "church" in America is mostly silent and afraid to speak against abortion. And for your information, genius-boy, Hitler's extermination plan was TOP SECRET EVEN AMONG THE UPPER ECHELON SS! Why? Because he knew people would oppose it, and it would destroy German morale.

The Japanese in America were rounded up like animals in much the same way here, only difference is we didn't SECRETLY kill them. Maybe because we had Christian leaders...

And so what if the pope prayed for swift victory over Soviet Russia? Everyone everywhere of all races and religions had better chances of survival under Nazi Germany. Everyone except the Jew, the Gypsy, etc. and as stated, the Church was not aware of the extermination.


You're such a frail little man. Right to keep and bear arms is the people's assurance against tyrannical government. Why not read up on it? Because you don't care and you're a weakling and unable to understand such things as taking a stand against oppression. Ever hear of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising? Imagine if all the Jews in Europe would have been armed as Americans are. The only holocaust would have been the piles of dead Gestapo in the doorways. Yes we own weapons, whole stockpiles of privately owned arms. But to your fearful mind, that must make us violent, right? Don't make me start pulling out per capita murder statistics for US vs UK.

I value life, and if someone threatens my life or the life of any innocent person, that person is going to be attacked. I wouldn't "shoot to kill" I'd just shoot, and if it happens that the violent attacker is killed, then so be it. Perhaps it will put the fear of God in future wannabe thieves and murderers. Here's a news story recently, from 5 minutes from my home: thepittsburghchannel.com/news/21112300/detail.html


Haha! Funny man you are. I'm talking about "choicers" not rape victims. Isn't it "funny' that 75-85% of rape victims who become pregnant by the rape, choose LIFE?

Look into it genius, abortion is dangerous to the woman's LIFE, as well as her reproductive future, and it is deadly to the child inside her. That is the discussion here. Get with the program.


I didn't ASK you about the EGG, I didn't ask you about the WOMB! I asked you WHAT PART OF THE WOMAN'S BODY IS THE FETUS! ???

I knew you wouldn't answer this one, you slimy piece of filth.


Wrong. You outright LIED and said I was drabbling on about a vengeful God. I never did. So it is you who are full of nonsense.


I have no patience for vermin like you. I am set against people like you, who encourage the decay of our culture from within, promote murder of children still inside their mothers. Don't expect nice language from me, you are scum. Like I said, people like you I lump in with all the other pedophiles, rapists, and murderers.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_Theory


You mother and father had sex, and their sperm and egg unites to make you. But who created the sperm? And the egg? Who designed all the sexual organs? Do you have any idea how intricate this stuff really is? How about I pull up next to your house in a brand new BMW, and say "Hey, look at this completely random product of evolution, it was created by unintelligent design and randomly assembled itself from evolving matter."

And THAT's how stupid YOU look. No, more stupid actually. The human body is light years more advanced than a motor vehicle, which takes thousands of INTELLIGENT designers, engineers, and assemblers to complete.

It's just a theory, weak boy, Darwin himself didn't subscribe to it. And a sh*tty one at that. "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." - Charles Darwin

Mmhmm....

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Why, because I called you names? Plenty more where that came from, and all true!

Nice cop-out. But I'll ask the question AGAIN, just to FURTHER demonstrate to anyone reading this that you REFUSE to answer the question based on the fact that it is devastating to your frail NON-logical "argument". I didn't ASK you about the EGG, I didn't ask you about the WOMB! I asked you WHAT PART OF THE WOMAN'S BODY IS THE FETUS! ???

Answer it.


Says the simpering little effeminate with no back-bone. It's only because real men from other countries took a stand and went to battle against oppression and tyranny, that YOUR parents or grandparents were not killed with the millions of Jews slain in the Nazi holocaust. And there you sit, dishonoring every single one of them. You yourself are PROOF that natural selection is a lie. In a world of "survival of the fittest", how is a frail, cowardly little swine like yourself, afforded the right to live past a few days?

But, like I said, your opinion goes in the trash with all the other pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. Don't care.

Oh, and here's a quote from your hero:

I feel most deeply that this whole question of Creation is too profound for human intellect. A dog might as well speculate on the mind of Newton! Let each man hope and believe what he can. - Charles Darwin

Isn't Science wonderful? There is a new DVD out called The Case for a Creator. But you probably won't look into it, because you are content living in ignorance and rebellion.

Just know this; one day you will die. When you die, your spirit will be taken to the Judgement Seat of Jesus Christ, and you will stand before the Mighty One of Israel, whom you have scorned. As the worm you are, you will cower in His awesome presence. An angel will open the Book of Life, and the LORD will ask "Is his name found in the Book of Life?" the angel will answer "No, my Lord, his name does not appear." then you will be sent to the Lake of Fire, where you will forever remain in torment, along with all the unrepentant, the rebellious, and the devil and his angels.

"Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

I know the Truth, and you have believed a lie. It's quite a gamble you're making, and the house always wins...

It not too late to repent and turn to Jesus even now,...not too late, until that last breath,...can you feel it,...slipping away?

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Not in the least. I didn't get into this for the "fun" of it (though it can be satisfying making murder-supporters look the fools that they are) I address points as they surface, though most of them are manure, straight from the horse's ass.

I have a f*cking life and a job to do, you're the one who keeps inviting me back to your thrice-resurrected, dead and rotting "arguments".


Bullsh*t. If you have, you would have told which ones. You're talking a big talk to make it seem as though your argument can hold a pint of water. It never has, and it won't ever. But if you insist, I will look at these posts and address, yet again, whatever it is you are talking about. I feel like a father whose bratty kids keep wanting to ride the merry-go-round over and over, but he's sick to his stomach.


Are you speaking of the Episcopalian "church"? Doesn't matter which, I don't agree. The "church" is not infallible, and if they are too coward to call murder murder, then their opinion of the subject is anti-Biblical, anti-Science, doesn't mean crud:

"For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be." Psalm 139:13-16

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Seanus


This argument is not at all pertinent or valid. Why? The DNA is present in the beginning, guiding the GROWING BODY from the point of conception. To equate this to computers, you would need a "hardware" that's own pre-imbedded SOFTWARE was causing it to grow and expand in size constantly. There is no such thing.

And who are YOU to say that a fertilized egg is not sentient? How do you know it is not? At that point it IS a boy or girl, it already is decided the hair color, eye color, etc. The only true method to determine sentience in a pre-born baby is to actually BE the baby. But we also have facts, aside from the presence of all the DNA at conception, the HEARTBEAT AT 3 WEEKS, REGULAR BRAINWAVES AT 6-8 WEEKS. Like I said, only memories I really can remember at 5 years old and up. I guess before then I was not "sentient" eh?

And as for AI being "sentience" ie the Data (from Star Trek) example, AI can only have as much intelligence as a human has imparted into it. Even computer programs for "random" selection, are not truly random, and follow a PRE-PROGRAMMED logic. Programmed by,.....HUMANS!

Here's a FACT for you: at 8 weeks old, the baby will open its mouth, and jerk AWAY from pain-causing instruments. And THAT is only a demonstration that WE, being OUTSIDE THE WOMB, can perceive. Hmmm.

In summation, I DON'T WANT TO EVER HEAR YOUR LYING, BASELESS, FACTLESS "ARGUMENTS" ABOUT SENTIENCE, EVER! YOU CANNOT PROVE SENTIENCE DOES NOT BEGIN AT CONCEPTION, AND SCIENCE CONTINUES TO SHOW AWARENESS AT A LOWER AND LOWER AGE IN THE PREBORN CHILD!

Clear enough for you?


It likely is the only one of its kind. The "choicers" are not at all concerned with such things, but only in espousing emotionalism of rape in general to further their PROFITEERING from the death of the unborn. Would you believe A) a group of people who support rights of pre-born babies, and are demonstrably willing to support all children, in word and in deed, emotionally and financially, regardless of the damage to their own pocketbook, or B) a group of people who rake in loads of CASH from the deaths of the pre-born in question?

Seems like a hard question to me,...


Oh I absolutely do. As a matter of fact, I have always brought religion as last in all my arguments. I have always called upon science and reason, (both creations of God) firstly. Read them, and tell me that is not true, I DARE YOU!

In the future, please do not BLATANTLY LIE like this again.


The wicked will do what the wicked will do. But their evil deeds should be illegal to make them fearful, and so they can be rightly punished when they are caught carrying out their evil plans. Same as with any other form of murder.

But none of this changes the FACT that abortion rates climbed THROUGH THE ROOF when abortion was made legal, and the public was LIED TO by those who profit from it! But please, continue to tell me more lies.

And the Heroin junky is far more likely to die of AIDS from an infected needle, than if Heroin use was made legal. We should legalize and publicly subsidize his destructive behavior, like we do abortion?


No. 23 weeks doesn't mean ****. Immediate sentience not only does NOT prove non-personhood, but your "sentience begins 23 weeks" argument is a flat out LIE. But please, continue to bring it up time and time again. I know it makes you feel special, like you had ground to stand on. But don't look down,...you might realize that it's only a piece of drifwood,...and it's crumbling faster,...and faster....


Where did you get your statistics, please? CDC tells me that in 1990, legal abortions rate had climbed to nearly 1.5 Million. So even IF we take your statistics (how do you compile statistics for something that is illegal, and if so where did the study come from, who performed the study?) then abortion STILL showed an increase by almost 100% from '73 to 1990.

But again, where are the statistics? And who are these thousands of women dead and deformed from illegal abortions? (and why should we feel bad that they died from seeking something that was widely accepted as murder?)

Please address these point immediately.


How do YOU know she wouldn't see it as hers? Sure, the kid would be ridiculed IF EVERYONE KNEW AND TOLD! But kids are ridiculed all the time for things they have no control over. Doesn't TOUCH the fact they are HUMAN BEINGS and worthy of being defended!

So please, by all means, provide me with some research to demonstrate the horrible quality of life these children of rape endure. You won't. But even if you did, it wouldn't change the FACT of their humanity, which is the CORE of this debate.


The rape violated her privacy, yes. The abortion would FURTHER invade her privacy, her womanhood, her emotional well-being, and the CHILD'S LIFE!

There. All your puny,wretched "arguments". All of them cut down by the sword and strewn across the battlefield like the refuse that they are. But please, send more.

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Oh spare me the "I'm stupid" act! Guides the NEWLY CREATED PERSON into a FULLY GROWN PERSON! Are you THIS dull, truly? The fact you would even ASK something like this either means you are making me have to repeat the basest of biology lessons to you for sport, or that you are so stupid you actually never understood them to begin with!


It is scientific fact that it IS a unique and GROWING HUMAN BEING INDIVIDUAL PERSON, FROM THE POINT OF CONEPTION! Viability and sentience are about as pertinent to this argument as the ability to survive on one's own, and consciousness are to a person OUTSIDE the womb! In other words, THEY'RE NOT! Now, I say it yet again, A NEW HUMAN PERSON IS CONCEIVED AT CONCEPTION!!! That is a fact. No one can dispute it.


Not at all a hard question. The person to believe, in matters of right and wrong, is the person with nothing to gain, and demonstrable loss. It proves sincerity. Someone profiting from something, has demonstrable ulterior motives, and is suspect. Wow. I cannot believe that I just had to explain this to you.

Yes, it does all go back to the facts, and you continue to ignore them.


I "ignored" nothing, you liar. I fully acknowledge the pain, suffering of the women involved, and I feel for them,...as much as I can without actually BEING them. The fact is a NEW HUMAN LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION. You continue to call upon human suffering, circumstances, celebrity opinion, or whatever the hell else, I will continue to strike it down as immaterial to this debate. One could make any number of such cases against children living OUTside the womb.

However, none of this AT ALL changes the humanity and personhood of the child inside her. And that is the main issue. So keep on track, little soldier.


Yes lets wheel out figures. I presented mine. Where the f*ck are yours?

The reason I am NOT for the standard punishments for murder is because of the lies and deceptions, the ignorance surrounding the whole issue. I said this before, but you were not listening.


Bullsh*t. abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_l ove_them_both_14.asp

"We state categorically that no finding of modern fetology invalidates the remarkable conclusion drawn after a lifetime of research by the late Professor Arnold Gesell of Yale University. In The Embryology of Behavior: The Beginnings of the Human Mind (1945, Harper Bros.), Dr. Gesell wrote, "and so by the close of the first trimester the fetus is a sentient, moving being. We need not speculate as to the nature of his psychic attributes, but we may assert that the organization of his psychosomatic self is well under way." "


I have bolded the flawed portion. From the point of conception, it IS a person, boy or girl, IT IS A PERSON, BLUE EYES OR GREEN EYES, IT IS A PERSON, BLONDE OR BRUNETTE, IT IS A PERSON, BLACK, WHITE, BROWN OR MULATTO! Science fully upholds this as empirical fact. NOT "POTENTIAL" FACT! Address this please.


Yes, I'm sure many illegal abortions DID occur before 1973. But you lament the "thousands who died and were disfigured" without citing a single source. Yes, I see where you are coming from, and I'M telling YOU, that it is a FALSE POSITION!


Because kids can be cruel, I'm sure you know this.

NO, it is NOT back to "quality of life" it NEVER WAS about "quality of life"! It always WAS and always WILL BE about when NEW HUMAN LIFE BEGINS! The fact that many people grow up to be and do evil things, or to experience profound emotional and physical pain GIVES NO ONE THE RIGHT TO SAY THEY ARE FORFEIT OF THE RIGHT TO LIVE, AT ANY POINT!


What has a newborn experienced? How do you know it remembers anything? It only cries, eats, sleeps, and craps its shorts. Why not kill a newborn?


Bullsh*t. You have nothing.


Yes, and we do this by LETTING THE CHILD LIVE!


Blah blah blah. Yet again Seanus, you think you will sway me away from the core issue, the child's humanity. It is a human being, regardless of ANY hardship imposed on him/her, or any of him/her surrounding people. Hardships in life may come. Always. None of them excuse wrong actions on our part.


I said your arguments are worthless, I cut THEM down with the sword. You claim to be "anti abortion" and "Christian" yet you continue in all arguments, as neither, and in your words you condone the behavior of the abortion industry.

One human's rights END where another another human's rights begin! That would be at conception, for those SCIENTIFICALLY and BIBLICALLY MINDED! Those who reject Science and God, their opinions are baseless, worthless.


Ah, but "give the woman her choice" in this case means "let a child be killed by a sharp instrument, or by chemical attack". This I cannot countenance. And neither should you.

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I am ducking nothing. Of course there are many stages of growth human persons go through. Not sure what you even mean by any of this.


Now see, what you just did there is compare a monkey with a human being. You are discredited from any further discussion. You are an idiot.


Prove them?

"In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million. Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels. That’s a third of Planned Parenthood’s budget.

And what market-distorting results do we get for those government incentives? 289,650 abortions in 2006."

Planned Parenthood is America's largest abortion provider, and is a "non-profit" organization.

Even the most simple concepts you cannot understand. You have either an underdeveloped brain, learned stupidity, or feigned stupidity. In any case, this is my last response to anything of yours, I cannot waste time debating with imbeciles.


Because they ARE. Understanding reasons why someone might be inclined toward wrong actions, does not make them free to commit wrong actions.


It's the killing of a human child inside its mother. The mothers are told its "just a blob". Using common sense, this tells me that the mothers, by and large (and from much verbal contact with such) are unaware they are killing a human child.

Anyone with a brain can understand that this complicates things heavily as to the culpability of the mothers. No surprise that you cannot.


I told you, HEARTBEAT AT 3 WEEKS, REGULAR BRAINWAVES AT 6-8 WEEKS! And you cannot PROVE lack of sentience. What we CAN prove is that a baby, FROM conception, is LIVING, GROWING, HOMO SAPIENS! A HUMAN BEING!


"Human characteristics"!? "Human CHARACTERISTICS!"!??? No, SCIENTIFICALLY, FACTUALLY, IT IS A NEW HUMAN BEING BABY INSIDE THE MOTHER, FROM THE POINT OF CONCEPTION! With a determined SEX, a determined HAIR COLOR, EYE COLOR, etc!

You continue to IGNORE Scientific fact concerning when human life begins. As stated because of your multiple refusals to acknowldge such, and your continuous illogical and even downright retarded behaviors,....I cannot and will not waste further time discussing this issue with you.


Wrong. My Scientific focus is right on point: The humanity of the child. Is the "being" in question of the order "Homo Sapiens"? YES! Is the "being" in question currently living? YES!

Smack-down. Now you get to shut the f*ck up.

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Albanaich,

Wow.

Like RevokeNice said, shall we draw you a map?

Listen, girls don't randomly call guys up and say things like "I miss you" unless they WANT TO BE PHYSICALLY INTIMATE!

I cannot believe you are 55 years old and you need us to explain this to you. (I am not insulting you, I am just incredulous)

From all you've told, you're obviously doing everything "right" with the girls, and whether or not you were TRYING to attract them sexually is regardless of the fact that you HAVE done so!

They want you to be their "always and forever". If you cannot deliver, then resist any urges you might have, because everyone will end up badly hurt. But if you think you might want to date them then DO IT and quit asking about it on an online forum where you're more likely to get responses from guys who don't know sh*t about women, besides what their mommy told them.

People don't realize,...just how desperate the world of women is for real men.