History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

With respect to Polish deaths in the Ukraine in WW2: it is very relevant today, as are all genocides and murders by whichever party.

A few years ago I had the task of revealing to my mother, a survivor of the Siberian gulag at Semiplatynsk, that information relating to the disappearance of her father in 1939/40 had come to light by the partial release of documents by the Russian authorities. It is clear that he was part of the "Ukrainian List" (sic) and was murdered on Stalin's explicit orders at Kiev prison by the NKVD.

Although this release of information provided some kind of symmetry, the effects of such a momentous disclosure are not to be underestimated: it provoked a period of deep depression in my mother and a partial stroke.

As for the general effects over long periods of time of such murders, whether known or suspected in the cases of those who have disappeared, it is very clear to me that these percolate through the generations in the form of deep psychological stigmata which are never truly resolved.

It is essential that everything becomes known: this is the only justice which remains to victims and is the starting point of civilised behaviour by nations and individuals.

Life / I'm an American who lived in Poland for 6 years. I'm not welcome anymore. [169]

ref Cardno85

You should be aware there is a previous generation of Poles in Britain dating from WW2 and these are totally integrated, and sometimes dead!

The recent generation of Polish immigrants to UK seem to be afraid of this lot: I recently came across someone working on a house of a friend I visited, when I said I was half- Polish from the WW2 generation, the sangfroid was tangible.

If Americans cannot legally work in Poland that's natural: EU is what it says. Unfortunately, USA sometimes don't conform with democratic values either, like the election of the late great George W Bush, worst president of all time.

History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

There's no future in that. The barbarities perpetrated by the Ukrainians on the Poles were a currency handed on to me by my parents' generation.

I reject it. It is a false currency for shysters with ulterior motives.

History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

As an atheist, I sometimes wonder about the essence of catholicism and the burden of guilt. Does revenge come from this?

We are all animals, but we are converted to humans, not the other way round.

History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

I'm following both Darwin and Catholic doctrine on that one! Not a bad achievement though I say so myself... have I left you somewhere behind love?

History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

I'm too cynical to get involved in this warmongering stuff. It all ends in failure.

I had a good schoolfriend in the UK when I was growing up who was Ukrainian, my mother was not keen, I expect his mother was not keen, but they all grew out of it.

Peace! or take some bromide.

Just now worried about the NKVD tactics being used in Russia (aka Soviet Russia) to silence dissidents. Learned habits.......

UK, Ireland / Recruitment agencies advertise for Polish only workers [162]

ref Ragtime
Even in C Isles we pay tax from £8K or so upwards, actually the real benefits are for the super- rich who pay much less than they wd anywhere else.

I reckon you never paid any, that's why you don't know!

History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

Filios1:
No I didn't, but think you shd! xx!

History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

Yes. But don't get any ideas, thinking about it, that's not something to worry about either!