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gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

normalised relations with Germany (hmm - gained nothing in the process)
Germany does not treat Poland as a partner
if it would there would not be the whole issue with the Nord Stream
the route passing by Ukraine and Bieloruossia is available (Latvia, Lithuania, Poland) and could be as much as 10 times cheaper to use. Both Latvia and Lithuania are EU members and pressure can be put on them by the EU if there is any trouble. Then again i think they would actually agree not to have any connection to new pipeline on their own territory (probably would be happy if there was a backward connection from Poland in place)

Germany is siding with Russia on this issue (accepting Russian desire to forward their policies against Baltic states, Bieloroussia, Ukraine and finally Poland) completely ignoring the interests and energetic safety of Poland.

All this German historic policies is just a tool to convince their own nation that they are entitled to have their policies against any interests of their neighbours.

(Hardly any partnership in here - many presume that German elites treat Poland as a quasi-colony and actively seek to discredit or block any more independent Polish policies)

to [b]very little [/b]extent with Russia - speaking economically
words are empty most of the time
last example - the issue of RosUkrEnergo being chucked out of the gas transit through Ukraine and Poland not receiving the part of the gas it contracted through the company (one fourth of the gas supplied to Poland before the gas crisis). There can be no reserves in Poland before next winter and Russians wish to use it to make us sign a bigger contract that makes construction of pipeline from Denmark or/and liquid gas port obsolete - meaning we should rely only on Russiand supplies

responsible democracy - wow (you mean standing in the line, not causing trouble to the big fish)

to me being laughing stock as long as my interests are defended is somewhat irrelevant (you can laugh at me all along as long as you pay me my say salary, dowry whatever)

Tusk government is terribly inept - the whole issue (or some considerable deal of it) with the 'opcje walutowe' could have been avoided had there been an act demanding the banks to warn companies of the risks involved.

Poland lost an opportunity to sell the CO2 emission rights to Japan cause the Ministry of the Environment could not prepare an act that would regulate who is dealing with the money in time. (Now it's Ukraine in the business)

The government does not want to deal with the issue of 'opcje walutowe' (it's siding with the banks this way) - some legal arrangements could have been made to stop the banks from executing the debts involved in an instant and demanding them (the banks) to negotiate ways of paying these sums) - a good handful of companies has already went bankrupt because of the government inaction - and poeple are loosing jobs

Shipbuilding industry has been deliberately destroyed it seems - while the EU has demanded the return of state financial aid to the industry in Poland, Germany was bailing out its own with hundreds of milions of Euros (last summer - Rostock or Wismar or maybe both). Poland has not made much of an effort to protect the shipbuilding industry (this is hundred tousands of workplaces involved - not just the dock thing - engines, machinery and quite a lot of electronic stuff were built in Poland - now it looks like it is all gone).

The time we had to do anything to avert this has been used to figure out how some individuals from the ruling party could benefit from the closures (Misiak case). What i think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

sorry what caused the Russian meat embargo? - it was introduced in November 2005 before any moves have been made by Kaczynskis or anything said about mutual relations. Just a malicious way to fight those in a way.

Seems Russians saw Kaczynskis as some threat before they have done anything. It was Russia who was aggressive. The only argument Russian gov take into consideration is a policy of accomplished facts. You can still see it now. (Symbolic opening for Polish meat). That is why Kaczynskis blocked UE-Russia talks. And btw they were trying to achieve something for the benefit of all EU members - opening of the Russian energy industry/sector to foreign investment (Eureopean) - meaning symetry as Russian energy companies are allowed to invest in Europe

You are overrating the shield thing importance to the US security. It has been pressed by fromer US administration for the military complex to profit in my opinion. I'm sure I am not alone with such views. So the US will live with or without it. It is not a vital issue to the US. And the question is do we want the US military presence in Poland or we don't care and can jeopardy the thing for some bargains. Tusk was well willing to jeopardy the talks already. Not mentioning the goal. Georgian affair changed things.

It is not economic issues why Germany is pressing the construction of the Nord Stream. If it were economic issues the construction would be underway in Latvia, Lithuania or even already in Poland - it is much easier(and much cheaper) to lay a pipeline on the dry land that on the sea bottom.

You are actually making idiots out of Germans. They have enough grasp of what Russia needs Nord Stream for. They are cooperating with Russia in not allowing Georgia and Ukraine into NATO. this is pacting with the devil

Could you give an example of Kaczynskis showing off muscles on petty issues with Germany?

Again they are not (Germany) our political partner. They would love to see us as their political client. Polish political intersts are in collision with what Germany has put as their political goals and means to achieve them. (I am talking of German political (financial) elites not a nation as a whole. Though they have already had succes with antagonising German nation against Poland (recent)) You just take empty words too seriously Partnerschaft, Partnerschaft, Partnerscheiss. If someone ignores you vital interests, acts against them to forward his own agenda he is not your partner.

btw If Germany were to become hostile to Poland they are actually destroying the foundations of the EU and it would get to their back pretty soon.

German policies are clearly against Polish interests, and they cynically conduct them with empty phrases in their mouth for the audience. Should we be nice and act as if it was all so friendly???

Kaczynskis have defended Polish interests - inform yourself on Lisbon treaty negotiations. They have bargained quite a deal.

We don't demand anything from Germany except partnership. We just don't get there.
Germany did not solve the problem of compensation to expelees - expelees present their demands to Polish state - should we compensate the German expelees? Is it a decent way to settle things between nations?

Btw I haven't branded Tusk government the worst one. But I do think it is quite harmful to the country.

And also you could have not been aware of this - before we joined the EU we were for almost 11 years in asymetrical economic relations with the EU. where there were no border taxes on EU products while what Poland had a ready surplus of or could readily develope (foods) was heavily taxed on EU borders. (układ stowarzyszeniowy z UE).

Then the EU has mercifuly let us in. (Polish farmers get just 25 per cent of direct support the old EU farmers get - in case you don't know why many are on the verge of bankruptcy)
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

well present buyers have been there for 250 years now
it just happens sometimes buyers get expropriated by the property itself and then willing to purchase again
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
Work / I have a "zero" chance to succeed in Poland - I do not have a degree! [93]

MrBubbles you don't know much about post-war Polish history if you say that it took 40 years for Poles to protest
things are different now due to the huge unemployment that this country has seen quite recently and the spectre of which is looming again. It has its roots (the unemployment) of course.
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

Sorry how Poles should be not suspicious if you deal with Russians against us? What is the purpose of building a submarine pipeline if the land option could be 10 times cheaper? Whom could it benefit? Why do Germans want Poland out of the way of the pipeline?

I am saying German elites treat Poland as an obstacle not a partner. And German politicians play fools. What old grugdes do you see raised by Poland that are not in self-defence? When there is an idiotic claim made that voting power in the EU based linearly on population is more democratic to the benefit of the Germano-Franco-Italian triangle where a will of four major European countries can hardly be overruled. is this a democratic club? Should Poland hush then? And submit?

You probably don't know that but we have paid enough for your support. 11 years of asymetry in trade relations.

Btw what you write is a regular blab - not much factual in it.
I need to quote someone - Mr Poettering - he said 2 years ago on TV (in Germany) - that the help (structural funds) for the new countries amounts to 26 euro per Old European citizen yearly.

(and as far as I know (for various reasons - some serious fault on the side of the present Polish government included) Poland is a netto payer to the EU at the moment)

German historic policies is a matter of decency. I don't think we (Poles) should bother. Only if you haven't got decency enough to put things in the right perspective, should we accent our views of history in some clearly visible way.

And you are playing fool too, trying to ridicule serious questions.

'What do you offer' - you have a country to invest - soon there won't be any obstacles to buy land for EU based foreingers. Large chunks of land in the western Poland (where I live) are already in German hands anyways (through Polish 'treuhands') - compare Polish capital to German capital (I guess Germans could easily buy up 10 per cent of Polish land right away if not more)
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

I really don't get this British attitude - British and French simply sold Poland short in 1939 - and that's just it - it is not to disparage you as a nation - 'cause it was the elites decisions - I don't really understand why you should be ashamed then
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

What about that one thousand and a couple more Poles who have bought homes!!! next to Polish border (not agricultural land which is definitely more expensive on the German side)

what about those tens of thousands of Germans who buy up businesses and agricultural land in pre-war German areas - just a capital disproportion thing - Germans benefit much more from this opening

get things in proportion

the market does not work if you have say 50 per cent border tax on food (grain, milk, fruit, vegs etc etc) and many others actually (furniture if I remember well) so that your farmers and your industries are protected from any competition from Poland (actually there were more taxes or imports were banned on some products). At the same time Polish market was almost completely open to German (and other European) imports. Good deal for 11 years - we have payed enough for your support. Thank you for your mercy for letting us in at last. (This was sort of waiting room - with paid seats :P)

(You wait, you will join, sometime, for now we will have your own market penetrated, just wait - we have waited for 11 years) (I seem to eventually think that you had no choice but let us in after those 11 years - who else would then bother to wait - and there was still a bunch to have their markets penetrated)

you seem quite apt at evading difficult questions (just as your politicians do)

why then is not the pipeline not on land through Poland (are you suspicious towards Poland - and why so then) but on the Baltic bottom - which is as much as 10 times more expensive?

would the gas from a land pipeline render the supply any less diversed (btw it is interesting how you call relying on one country for supplies diversification)

Poland can be better off with a new pipeline on its soil (transit fees) why should we support a project that deprives us of any income. A partnership in stripping itself of possible income hehe :) cynically German as usual

Poland is not a center of the Universe but still some would like to see it beaten up, on her knees and voiceless.

Sometimes at least try to see things from different perspective. I'm pretty sure you never do.
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Bunch my opinion is you have little knowlegde of basic facts. Or you have much more secret diplomacy knowlegde than I do. (I have very little in fact). On the say 7th 10th of September 1939 the French had some 50 divisions on the Franco-German border. And the whole of their air forces plus a bunch of British fighters. Against them stood some 15 German reserve divisions with virtually no air support. Consider. I could have well exagerated German forces and dimished those of the French.

sorry there were German fighters there but uncomparable to the whole potential of French air forces
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

South Stream is equally Russian initiative

competing Nabucco project has got some symbolic support from the EU recently

is it wrong for Poland to want to profit from transit while it still is much cheaper option
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

this assignation can well be fake, so as to say we tried (and the money can be pulled back)

usak.org.tr/EN/makale.asp?id=889

btw the project has been frozen for quite some time
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Harry if they hadn't fled - they would be destroyed by German air force as happened to the ships that stayed - e.g Wichura, Gryf

it all happened in agreement and coordination with the Royal Navy
so it was actually a better way to use them for the common cause which Poles believed in and were devoted to.

the British could have not given their guarantees to Poles (25th of August) and then Poland would probably submit to Hitler or even changed sides

anyway may guess is British guarantees were pure cynicism
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Steinbach issue is a non-issue to me. as I have stated before. Don't care much about symbols. And yes if Germans don't have enough decency to put things in proportion, give an objective perspective then Poles should do it on their own (though the present government seems to shy away from it).

Btw Steinbach's views has largely changed in the past and I would not now demonise her. What has been played recently was quite a populistic spectacle (for a price nota bene)

I have not seen or heard any insulting of Germans by the Kaczynskis. Correct me if I am wrong. Unless stating some facts you call as insulting. And yes Kaczynskis have been defending Polish national interests (it was German press following German governmental stance who antagonised German population). The kwadrat Wuerzel thing is much more democratic in a multinational organisation and the German official sphere wouldn't just admit it for cynicism. They would play on antagonising their nation against Poles and ridiculing any Polish ideas that are against German political goals. This time the goal was to considerably strengthen German voting power in the EU as well as Franco-German alliance voting power. And the quadrat Wuerzel was in the way. Poland will lose quite a big proportion of its vote power in the Treaty of Lisbon. And yes I think Poland compromised (but perhaps not sacrificed anything) even in the face of blackmail.
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

my point German policies do not treat Poland as a partner. and that's it. Some points were what the Germans have gained from Poland recently.

the info is from my area

most of the quarries in South Western Poland belong to German capital at the moment for example

you just don't read about it in the newspapers
definitely not German ones
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

Nord Stream is a damn political thing and that's it. It suits Russian imperialistic doctrines. That Germans suit the Russians in this case is a price for the involvement of German business in Russian energy industry and perhaps other industries as well. (All in Russia is somehow state controlled - even those Russian millionaires). I never ever stated that Nord Stream is somehow maliciously anti Polish on the German side. But it is not a partnership attitude either.

And I somehow am curious if Germans would build this thing just to take the transit fees from Poland - cause it's what I have felt in Bratwurst's tone - haven't you got enough transit fees?? - boy I bet the gas from a land route would be cheaper than the one from the submarine pipeline even after all transit fees included (calculating all interests that have paid back for the huge construction cost of the submarine one)

Germans get somehow obssessed with Poland hehe so I wouldn't be surprised.

I just hope the thing never gets built for this or any other reason.
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

sorry Bratwurst it is very difficult to discuss with you cause you don't stick to the topic.
quite often

quadrat Wuerzel has nothing to do with the pre-war populations - it is simply a way more democratic thing for voting powers of multinational assemblies where population is a factor and the nations involved are of varying numbers.

the war losses in population are a different thing (and I do not raise it)

btw you are just ridiculing the ideas as your press did

Sokrates - concession in a non-issue is not a concession
(btw following your logic if Germans were treating us as partners they would not appoint Mrs Steinbach in the first place and Poland would participate in the project considerably (would have a say) - if anyone doubts in Polish historians' honesty they have not read any books about post war expulsions in Polish)
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

you don't see things in perspective
there are more countries in the picture - simple comparison of Polish vote power and the German one (Nice style is misleading).

now for a moment say we have a union of Germany, Poland and Czech Republic and we have those population proportional vote power in the union.

Who is then ruling the union and why? Why should Germans tell Poles and Czechs what their policies should be like? If there have to be common policies implemented should Poles and Czechs have no say? Should there not be a compromise of some sort?

My view is Germany, France plus Italy are now quite overpowered in their say in the Lisbon Treaty thing. Who have insisted on the Treaty? Germany. Who blackmails the Irish? Mr Sarkozy does. Hegemony of some is not a way of diminishing tension, quite on the contrary. This will pop up sooner or later. I don't see much goodwill on the side of German authorities in this issue. And it fits a bigger picture too.
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

i see you are not serious

you constantly try to ridicule my views

you consider me anti German cause i'm suspicious toward German policies

yes some members of Polish elites (on various levels) are in German service
(publicists who work for EU or directly German sponsored institutions)
the one name I recall is Ryszard Schnepf.
there are also the ones who worked for Stasi (they have never been exposed, Poland has not received dossiers of Polish Stasi colaborators to my knowlegde)
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

as for Ukraine - EU invests in German companies (ok EU companies but it's the Germans who have the most capable businesses to do the job) and there is a speculation EU (German?) operators would operate (well share the profits) the refurbished network in Ukraine. btw isn't that European bank not a German financial institution that is supposed to fund Nabucco.

Poland does nothing - what are we supposed to do - build a pipeline stretch to Latvia and wait for ever for the Russians to connect to it??? should we build Nord Stream against our own best interests? does Poland have 2 bilion spare euros to refurbish Ukrainian pipeline network? I have heard of some Polish projects or at least ideas in the field of energy that have been simply ignored by the EU and not necessarily in the field of gas pipelines.
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

actually I am quite happy to trample on your toes :P

and yes the guy clearly has some Polish/Warsaw obsession
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

which one - Russians? hehe partner? who has put an embargo on Polish meat on some bloody faint excuse (of course for political reasons) then on the fruit and veg (for some faint excuse again) Russian policy toward Poland is clearly malicious.

I don't say German is (but it is not a very friendly policy). My opinion German elites are bent on hegemony in Europe through mostly economical and political means. And they will be more than happy if they get rid of Americans from the continent someday eventually.

btw there are hoardes of former (this is not an apropriate name 'former' - there are no former Russian agents) Russian agents or Russian-'overtaken' Polish SB-colarborators in Poland. Some where even in power for quite some time. This was actually the main obstacle for Poland to get into NATO in American eyes.
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

the thing is man you are not trying to get some things into consideration

you just refuse to consider the possibility that there are Poles who further German interests in Poland (in various areas) - and I tell you there are for some reasons or other. I don't ask you to believe me - I ask you to consider this.

over 50 per cent of the press in Poland is in German hands (Axel Springer, Neue Passauer Presse and others - Axel Springer said to be targeting 'Rzeczpospolita' at the moment)

some things don't get much publicity - you doubt it???
there are a number of institutions in Poland funded by the EU that promote things say 'European' as say Lisbon Treaty (haven't I mentioned who presses for the Lisbon treaty the most)

btw Axel Springer owned Fakt leads in spreading anti German stereotypes exactly as the same company's Bild in German spreads anti-Polish rubbish (every sport event including the nations is an opportunity but there definitely are more). Any wonder why?

btw what is the difference of conquering a nation militarily or controlling it from inside or exerting such pressure (economic, political) that it yields to your demands - it is all old-style colonialism/imperialism just different means

it does not share much with cooperation

hegemony is not partnership
and I see in Germans a dream for hegemony over Europe
and this is what I think Kaczynski meant when he said "There is something bad going on in Germany'
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

btw Georgia was a Russian satelite not that long ago (Shevardnadze presidency)

and then popular revolt turned it into the opposite direction

any ideas why???
gumishu   
6 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

you have a rare ability to extract things out of context and put them into different one.
but I'd lie if I tell I envy you

how do you know your political and financial elites are not dreaming of "German Europe"
I somehow detest the idea.

we do share our markets, we do allow foreigners to buy land soon - taking into consideration the wealth discrepancy it is quite a lot; German nationals can work in Poland considerably more freely (if not completely freely) than Poles in Germany, German companies get plenty of Polish construction contracts while there are many obstacles put in front of Polish companies in Germany; Do you want money out of a poor country??? and ay, we at the very moment are a netto payer into the EU (reason is fault on the side of our present government, to a lesser extent on previous governments)
gumishu   
7 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

And I very much doubt Poland would do the same if they were in Germany's position...
You would NEVER alllow any other country having a say in your politics and economics at all...your "polish pride" wouldn't allow that!

this is just theorising Bratwurst

and there is your very real desire to unleash power (i have seen in many posts in German internet the same longing)
and how do you imagine wielding more power in German case?

sorry but I couldn't find a trace of this compromise attitude during quadrat Wuerzel hype. (proportional or we kick you)

and go and look - some serious folks supported Polish idea (i mean scientists)

yes Kaczynskis have eventually traded the idea for some other concessions but they are time-limited (the concessions) in the end. God knows what happens when the whole of Franco-German vote power unveils thereafter.
gumishu   
7 Apr 2009
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]

you just mix things - wasn't there a common enemy in the times Europe started to unite

didn't it change things a bit?

now you are trying to be best buddies with a country that is quite keen on bullying us

no need to rethink some ideas?
gumishu   
7 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

isn't it eyebrow-raising that there is so much pressure on Ireland to conform???

is there no pressure on Polish president to sign the Treaty so that Ireland can be blackmailed even more bluntly?

what sort of compromise attitude and goodwill is it?

and who's goal is it supposed to further?

how do you imagine one common foreign EU policy when you seem to lead a policy of appeasement of a country several EU countries are affraid of?

what kind of honesty is it to propose a European Treaty that just is European Constitution in disguise (the constitution that has been rejected in popular votes here and there)

if you don't see cynicism there then I can't imagine where are you able to see any
gumishu   
7 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

There are some looming threats raised towards Ireland. Ask Irish people..

The pipeline thing again - what is the difference to German customer if the gas comes through a land pipeline or a submarine pipeline. Why Germans (authorities and poeple brainwashed by media) insist on the submarine one? Is it really of vital importance to Germany that the gas should be delivered on the sea bottom? Why is that so?

Poland has been put under enormous pressure to abandon the square root proposal. Was there any serious intention to discuss it on the German and French side? Not for a moment. It has been ridiculed and Poland called names all around the place. The reason?

Was there any discussion at all about the shape of the new treaty? Or was it somehow by chance designed by some without much asking around, then put into media curricullum, advertised as the best sell and then attempt has been made to push everyone to accept it or they are un-European somehow?

As for Mrs Steinbach issue (the recent one) - it was a Pyrrhic victory in a non-issue. (a symbolic rubbish) (my guess it was a populist stunt by the present government who need to show they have spine - I doubt if they have)

btw I am not aware of any serious matters being by Polish side raised if Mrs Steinbach should be appointed notwithstanding. It's not there haven't been any but not aware of it. Just a shouting and spitting grandad. Who btw has called me cattle once. So I have little sympathy for him and his apparent victories.

I was talking about myself when I wrote I just love to tread on your toes. You do to assume too much.