History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Hehe...closet slav...half turkish...muslim....LOL :):):)


My ass???
What has my slavic, muslim ass to do with that??? :)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Yeah well...you now have it...Deutsch rein.

6 Mill dead Poles later....good deal won't you agree?


What is it with you guys putting me as as slav.

You can't make all Germans to slavs...there MUST be also some Germans you know????

:)


Yeah sure...it was ALWAYS someone else...never the Poles...you were just
always the poor victims...*yawns*....

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


These Pickelhauben are great, aren't they??? Such pretty things.
I had one of these once at my avatar here in the forum...boy some of you didn't like it...

:)

That was after I used an Iron Cross...but in the end we agreed on my real life portrait...


Tja...what can I say...

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Hmmm...."slavic ground"?
Reminds about "Blut and Boden" speak of the Nazis...
And you approve of ethnic cleansings!
And you call ME a Nazi! LOL

And what is so hard to understand in:

"....although it had been used for many centuries before by the large ethnic German population....

Means: Many centuries before the XVII...come on...can't be that hard!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Okay...again:

"....although it had been used for many centuries before by the large ethnic German population...."


Yeah...well..."THE GREAT" must be earned somehow....:)
(Even if it's only the second "The Great"....the second greatest so to speak)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


I hope bad...really bad! *grrrrr*

But then Klose and Podolski are from Silesia too...:)
(Think about that when they shoot Germany to the titel)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Then why are you calling my family "polish collaborateurs"?

Silesia had big german centres you know?
For centuries Silesia was prussian!
Where do you think the millions of people from you did expell came from???

wroclaw-life.com/wroclaw/history

"...The next chapter in the city's colourful history began in 1741 when King Frederick the Great II seized Lower Silesia and brought it under Prussian rule. It was he who officially gave the city its German name of Breslau (or Prezzla), although it had been used for many centuries before by the large ethnic German population. Wroclaw spent the next two hundred years in German hands and by the end of the 19th century it was the third largest Prussian city behind Berlin and Hamburg, and began to be heavily industrialised. ..."

My grandparents did marry here...as Germans!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

How can we be collaborateurs when we are proud germans serving our folk and country?
I don't quite get your logic??? :(

Do you mean the millions of expelled Germans where in truth polish collaborateurs???
Hehe...:)

You mean we are in truth just one happy people??? *snicker*

:):):)

My lost brother! Let me hug you!!!!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Puzzler and Lukasz...are you German without knowing it???

You know Poland didn't even exist for awhile...swarming with Germans...could very well be...

:):):)

So many loyal '...ski's fighting for Germany in both World Wars....

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Ummm...now that is interesting.

When I remember all the troubles my ancestors got through to get the Arier-Nachweis (showing their heritage centuries back) needed to make an officers career in the german army....when they in truth were all slavs!!

(Maybe they were even Jews without knowing it???)

Oh wonder...*makes big eyes*

PS: I have nothing against those few Poles buying land in Germany...but it goes both ways and THAT is important! :)

PPS: And I LOVE to tell you about the coming center....you hate it so much! :):):)
(I would even also prefer a center IN Danzig...directly under your nose!)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

No Puzz...it doesn't seems that way or you wouldn't ask people to ignore me....

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


I'm not sure about that...many Ukrainians want to get into the german led EU...(but we won't let them)...and I remember seeing photos of ukrainian peasants with flowers greeting the Wehrmacht...I wonder why....


You did???

You mean...no car stealing anymore???

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Ach Luki...stop blustering...you were greedy after German land, german towns...that was it!
Don't be so self-righteous!

Naja..anyway...now that you are in the EU we got you in the end! :)
We are baaaaack! :):):)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


You are one to talk...at least WE LET YOU LIVE THERE...the facts speak clearly!
Millions of Poles lived BESIDES Germans in this land!

Actually most of that stuff you bring is propaganda only!

You know what I find when I read your stuff?

POLONIZATION...goooood!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization

"...can be seen as an example of cultural assimilation."

GERMANIZATION/RUSSIFICATION....baaaaaad!

"...mostly forcible assimilationist policies, implemented by other European powers that have aspired to regional dominance."

What a way of words you Poles have...

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Yes...and yes (I fear)....

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


That's funny...all Danziger wanted "Heim ins Reich"...as Hitler drove into the town the people flipped in extasy!

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Wow..."Kulturkampf"...how horrible!
Especially as half of the country is protestant (Prussia too)...
Every time has it's "Kulturkampf"!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Face it Lukasz...in ethnic cleansing you mastered the Germans...we were never as good as you!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Tell me more about it please....

As the Germans lived there there lived millions of Poles also there, don't you agree?
But now...there are only Poles, barely any Germans...

How come???

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Total population by language, November 1, 1923

German: 95,03%
Polish: 3.28%

(what a "mix" that was)
And tell me more about those "expellations"...had all 3 percent to go?
At once?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig

Danzig was german since 1308 till 1945, fo more than 600 years, over a half of a millenia.

I think you Poles now squatting in Danzig for barely 60 years should have no problems to pack your bags either, right? To go home...

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


It's an open wound for many Germans...no need to add salt.
Quite to the contrary..the denying of the Poles...those tries to talk it down, to make excuses etc. THAT is not helping.

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

You know...around 2000 years back all what is now Poland was
germanic lands...we are the rightful ownwers and we should get it all back!
(Without those Poles of course)




So you agree with ethnic cleansing, yes?


But what a part this was:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gda%C5%84sk_(Danzig)

Famous people born in the city

* Johannes Dantiscus, 1485, poet, church canon and bishop
* Bernhard von Reesen, 1490
* Albrecht Giese, 1524
* Johannes Hevelius, 1611, astronomer
* Georg Daniel Schultz, 1615
* Andreas Schlüter, 1660
* Jacob Theodor Klein, 1685
* Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit, 1686–1736, physicist and engineer
* Daniel Gralath, 1708, physicist and Bürgermeister (mayor)
* Louise Adelgunde Gottsched, 1713, writer
* Johann Wilhelm Archenholz, 1741
* Georg Forster, 1754
* Gottlieb Hufeland. 1760
* Johanna Schopenhauer, 1766
* Johannes Daniel Falk, 1768
* Arthur Schopenhauer, 1788
* Miltiades Caridis 1923
* Günter Grass, b. 1927, writer and philosopher

Do I have to say more?

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

So...Danzig was a polish town? Full with Poles???

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

No...falkster...you are definitely not suffering from to much education or we wouldn't have this discussion right now!

There is also not a controversy about the Expellation at all...IT HAPPENED....more than 12 Million victims are proof of that!
People you don't care about!


What's ridiculous? Tell me oh you wise one...
Where do you think a big chunk of all this support money Poland is getting comes from?
Germany is the biggest net-contributor in the EU...

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Sure...this Holocaust museum in Berlin was also just build because nobody is really interested in the Holocaust!
Say...falkster...where did you get this kind of logic and can I have some??? :)


Nope...
A war crime yes...but not a genocide.


Yeah...well...we managed inspite of all this paying.
I mean we even pay right now millions for other EU countries (also Poland) and still we manage somehow....
You are right, that is definitely worthy of a monument! :)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

This center doesn't "approves" of it either...it's for information and against forgetting!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


right..:)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


That might be of interest for you (there far away in England):

"Die Flucht" erfolgreichster ARD-Film seit 10 Jahren
Insgesamt 13,55 Millionen Zuschauer sahen im Ersten und bei Arte den ersten Teil des Geschichts-Dramas. Für die beiden Sender ist der Zweiteiler ein voller Erfolg.

welt.de/fernsehen/article746537/Die_Flucht_erfolgreichster_ARD-Film_seit_10_Jahren.html

Germans are VERY interested in that chapter of our history!
Another sign how important that center will be....

The first time this theme was made the center of a movie and more then 13 Million people saw it!
Making it the most successfull production in 10 years!

"Just some backward thinking people are interested"...my ass....you have so no idea!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


No Pat...
Being a father of a family living in political insecurity and daily turmoil and with no work, your money worthless, hungry and hopeless...
Germany was already isolated through the Treaty of Versailles (no membership allowed in the League of Nation, no foreign assets, occupied Rhineland, Alsace, Sudetenland, Austria...etc.)

There lived around 800.000 Jews in the whole of Germany, less than 1 percent so most Germans never ever met a Jew.
The Gassing wasn't even planned yet.

Put yourself into the shoes of an ordinary family father which get's now the prospect of a for him better life.
I doubt you would think in the first place of leaving....


What am I proving?

You know Luki...you are trying my patience!
IF you have to say something SAY IT!!!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Crap!
What riled me was that you tried to sell the center as a neglected obsession by a tiny minority with you of course being the accepted voice! (From England no less)

Everybody has an ********** opinion. Nobody HAS to do what the gov wants.
But I'm very much in favour of that center and I have many people with me and it WILL be build, the decision already fallen!

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

And???

This center is not about Hitler...for that there are already others....