History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Who said: "Opinions are like arseholes..everybody has one!" ???

PS: WHY do you want us Germans to exterminate all of you so badly?
Does it make you feel better?


Erm...you locked your Tab key I fear....

Anyway...there is nothing wrong with the proposal to build the center in Danzig...I like that idea actually!

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It's how I said before:

Germans can't hold a candle to the Poles concerning ethnic cleansing!
I wondered about all that resistance my first post got...the facts are there...


Huh?

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Yes...after centuries we now thought it would be time!
(My are we slow sometimes....)

...not only stupid but slow too...:(

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Germans unable to expel Poles (even if they wanted to)


Germans unable to "Germanize" Poles (even if they wanted to)

Those stupid Germans! :(
(They should take lessons from the Poles to do it "right")

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Agreed!

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Then how comes there were all those Millions of Poles in Prussia/Silesia etc.

So many to make uprisings???

(If they would had been really expelled the way the Poles did it...there would never have been a danger...)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Hmm...what makes you so sure?
Germans ruled in the East for centuries...and you still existed in these lands.

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"WE" are the new right...contrary to you old green-left-multikulti-moslemloving-warguiltwallowing-sandalwearers! :)
(forgot "INTERNATIONALISTS")


Again....how much worth is all the land, the farms, the little villages, the big towns??? Wanna compare???

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No need to...we are "Do'ers" !

:)

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Hehe...what do you know falkster...there in England!

And please...bring some support to show that YOU are right and not me!
Till now it's only ME bringing facts into this discussion!

BELIEVING can you what you want!

PS: You should be really careful of others accusing with "low education".
In this discussion I showed that it was YOU who had no idea....

PPS: And on the other hand YOUR kind of "education" is noted and disliked...

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Actually I'm not...they have some interesting view points but sadly they look to the muslims for support and are still anti-semitic.
At the same time the Jews are only such a tiny group of people in Germany (mainly ex-russian now) but the disturbances between the moslems and the Germans grow daily.

So, the NPD is quite unacceptable to me!

PS: Mrs. Steinbach is Boss of the organization of the Expellees...and a center for the Expellees WITHOUT their approvement is ridiculous.
But believe me..Mrs. Steinbach is such a though fighting woman she will get her way...as always!

Steinbach for Chancellor! :)

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I understand where you are coming from and your opinion.
But the point in this discussion here is that NOBODY would ever deny you the memory, the remembrance to your fate, to your history.
It is openly acknowledged, Germans apologized (did the Russians?), you have many memorials, movies, days for commemorating etc.

Nobody is denying your suffering or want to talk it down or fights against a tiny center against the forgetting of this fate of your people....

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Yeah...ummm.....:(


I think you will be dissappointed Lukazs...the time of the "falksters" is going to end.
They were successfull denying such a memorial for decades but no longer.
The re-unification and the addition of Millions of not brainwashed but nationalistic Germans changed the country in more ways than you can imagine! :)
(And yes, they....these "falksters"... HATE the Ossis because of that...destroying their little, quiet Bonner Republic!)

Germany is reasserting itself in Europe and the world....the post-war age is over!
The cards are mixed anew....:)

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There are lot's of upstanding Westerners too...especially the last Football World Championship was a revelation.
We all partied together, happy and proud to be Germans...rooting for our Wessi/Ossi Team (Michael Ballack, our team captain for example is an Ossi too)...I didn't thought the Wessis had it in them.

It was great!

:):):)

We will repeat that in Austria/Swiss next year, no doubt!

Remember the football games against Poland?
Or the handball finale against Poland?
One happy, proud country!
(Lot's of Ossis in both teams!)

Rebuilding of the wall and weakening our chances??? Nah....

(There is nothing like a game against Poland to gather the country together behind our flag...LOL )

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LOL

Even if so...what does that have to do with the center for Expellees??? :):):)

But I doubt that...just watch our sports teams...so many Ossis going for medals and awards....and the whole of Germany is loving them and praising them...waving the german flag!

:)

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A Display???

I came back just to correct some things this falkster said....I couldn't stand it any longer...this guy is so wrong on so many counts it wasn't funny anymore.

PS: I know you prefer to stay with yourself and like minded and yes sayers...no opposition wanted...but....here I am! :)


Do we have an Ossi-chancellor or not?
Does Mrs. Merkel have a 70 percent approving rate or not?
Will the center be build or not?

Hehe! :)

The next time you sprout one of those opinions of yours please support them with something...stats, images, surveys, articles...ANYTHING! Would you....

Oh...and just for you falkster to drive home the point:

"SPD und Union einigen sich auf Vertriebenen-Zentrum"

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,513139,00.html

"...Der Erinnerungsort an die Vertreibungen soll demnach eine historische Ausstellung, Seminarräume, ein "künstlerisches Element des Gedenkens" sowie eine Ausstellungsfläche von mehr als 18.000 Quadratmetern umfassen. Das Dokumentationszentrum könnte im Deutschen Haus am Anhalter Bahnhof untergebracht werden...."

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More nationalistic than Western Germans? You bet!

More nationalistic than Poles???? Is there such a thing??? :)


What did you learn in history?
It was policy at that time...everybody had to research their ancestors and heritage...

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:)

It's not me bringing the "blood" thingy up here again and again....

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Yes...they were spared the west-german lefty "internationalist" brainwashing (falkster is with guarantee a Westerner)...but the Ossies have already taken over...our chancellorMrs. Merkel is an Ossi! :):):)


You know...during the third Reich the police was that everybody knew where their roots where...for many it was a matter of life and death.

So even today most Germans have a good idea (and the evidence) about where they come from, if they mixed with Poles, or Jews...or if they were "arisch".

To make career in the military and for other jobs you had to prove your heritage centuries back so yes,
I KNOW my heritage...I think better than you do...:)

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Aren't you abit obsessed with the blood thingy???

Makes you sound like a Nazi....

Isn't it important where your loyalty lays?
I know of millions of Germans with polish roots (those ...*ski's you know) who
were and are loyal Prussians/Germans...who fighted for Germany...who play
football for Germany...:)

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That's a bit illogical, isn't it?

After centuries of german rules there were millions of Poles living besides Germans. In some territories even the majority...how horribly must prussian rule have been, right?

And after few years of polish rule no Germans can live in the same lands anymore...all ethnic cleansed!
Who is the Monster here?

The facts speak another language...but nooo...it's only always the poor Poles and the oh so bad Germans!

And yes...the Poles in the thirties were alot like the Poles today...aggravating and annoying and provoking their neighbours.
They never could back their arrogance and were humiliated horrible...like today...

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Paying Poland?

How much worth are territories and deutschrein cities???


Hey! Don't mix me with "falkster"!!! :)

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I don't know if you heard of the famous "Frauenkirche" in Dresden?
In the horrible Feuersturm she was destroyed and stood destroyed for decades.
After the re-unification millions of Dresdeners and other Germans gathered money to make
an identical re-building possible.
And you know what? English gave money too...and even more...a descendant of one of the Bomberpilots works as an artist with metal and he himself made the new big cross.

And he was there...at the re-opening...that I call honest reconciliation!


Och falkster...I'm sure you don't know it (like so many things happening in Germany)...But there is already an exhibiton "Forced Ways"...right now wandering through all german lands. MILLIONS of people already visiting...but wait....actually only the same few "desperate" people again and again, right? :)

The center in Berlin (or Danzig) is just meaned as a steady home adress, that's all....

PS: Others say we have actually such a steady home...in the Deutsche Museum where also is shown a steady exhibition about die Flucht as part of our history....but many people just want an extra place!

(It's planned in the ex-Anhalter Bahnhof where many of the refugees came through before getting settled down in whole Germany)

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...and that she can get voters on her side from supporting this center.
Which speaks against your "desperate minority" argument!

:)

Every group has a right to commemorate their history.
You don't have to like it but you must accept it. Basta!

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I searched for sense in your post but couldn't find any...

Now do you have something to support your allegations???
Where was I wrong?

To the contrary I could show that your postings about that nobody cares for the center and that most Germans are not interested are just lies.

So what do you have?

"Desperate minority", hehe...:) You wish!

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"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." - Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly

(Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939)

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How should I justify this? It was war...

War between people who hate each other, who want to kill each other....but in the end you get german lands free of Germans.

You remember your dead and we soon remember ours.

And how Lukasz showed with the uprisings and such...Poles wanted it too...the war.
Or else why did they boast "In one week in Berlin", why did they aggravate the Germans. No talks about a corridor to Danzig....

You just got your country back because of the Treaty of Versailles, whose wrongness and unfairness was the biggest cause for Hitlers rising in Germany...and you wanted more!

You were as nationalistic and fascistic as the Germans.
Or did you forget as Hitler destroyed the Czechs that you helped yourself to czech territory too?

It's all a bit complicated, but believe me...the mood was always poisoned!

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Erm...when you would look back some sites you would see that I posted links, stats and quotes.
Mostly from Wikipedia, two german sites (no nazi) and the last one is from the Breslau city website...

I think I debate quite fine...only rarely resorting to swear words, won't you agree?
Did you actually READ the thread?

PS: It's actually ME who get's offended again and again (even my germanness is doubted)

:(

Bring some support for your allegations Eurola and I will shame accordingly!

PPS: Yeah okay...I called this falkster in the beginning "Schwuchtel"...but that was only once. Who else did I attack personally?

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Oh noooooooooooooo

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Not polisch!

Polish is not a language..it's a disease...without vowels...

I would break my tongue trying to speak that:

"pozycja niedostępna:
Ten produkt jest chwilowo niedostępny u wydawcy lub jego nakład wyczerpał się. Jeśli chcesz kupić ten produkt, proponujemy, żebyś raz na jakiś czas zaglądał na tę stronę i sprawdzał czy jest dostępny."

:(

:)