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As an EU member, yes.


EU money does come back to the UK, especially poorer areas.
We get to play a part in making legislation at all levels.
Free movement of goods and services - it works in our favour too.

International relations are not simple. They never have been. Membership of the EU makes it much easier between member states.


He's doing well - he can still type even after his knuckles have been dragging on the ground all day.

Has anyone seen Osoil?

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fwa fwa fwa

News / Poland threatens to reject EU treaty [72]


Linguistically, they are of the same origin.
Does that mean the Irish have changed their genes because they speak mostly English?
Linguistically, Slavic is still a member of the Indo-European family - Germanic, Italic, Celtic, Indo-Iranian.
Why chose this particular distinction.
Hungary is in a similar position to many of the Slavic countries, but you want to set them up as the enemy.
Hmm! That would be great for international stability.

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At the moment, they take and give back.
Without membership, they take and don't give back.


We need enough other countries in the EU, especially the ones I already listed, plus Germany, etc.
If the economies of these countries grow and become successful, we will need them.

You have a very simplistic view of economics and international trade.
You seem to have conveniently ignored the social benefits of the British government being pushed into giving us things like the minimum wage, you have ignored how the UK can benefit from outside countries wanting to deal with the EU and using the UK as a base. This works for all member states, including Poland.

You have also ignored the historic benefit - cohesion amongst European states putting an end to armed conflict between countries. If there had been no EU, you can't tell how European countries might have progressed without common political direction.

It might not have turned out so nicely.

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Speak for yourself.
But you might wear your a*** out in the process.

News / Is the E.U. good for Poland?? [180]


EU citizens vote for MEPs who come from the same political parties as stand for national governemt office.

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There are huge amonts of trade between us and other EU countries.

My first example will be that in the horticulture industry, the majority of plants are sourced from the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy and Spain.

My next example is also close to my heart - food. French, Italian...
I don't want my prosciutto to become more expensive.

Now if you will excuse me, I have some French cheese to go and eat.
I will continue later.


That is rubbish. Trade between nations is not done by a couple of politicians shaking hands and that's it.
You would simply add huge areas of burocracy to deal with so many different countries.


I'm not sure what you mean.
If you mean the cost of trade without any decision making in return being your preference.


So some industries in the UK lose out because their trading partners are seen as insignificant?


Trade between member states is not restricted as it is with outside countries.


And now it is easier and we have more bargaining power.


... that we depend on?

News / Poland threatens to reject EU treaty [72]


Why? An ethnically divided eastern Europe a good thing in your opinion?

edit: An Eastern Europe divided along ethnic lines...

Remember that there would be a hugely powerful Russia, no chance for the non-Slavic Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Moldova or Albania.
Would it be like another EU - something you don't even like to start with?
When was the last time the Slavs were one people?
How many people other than Crow even want such a union?

News / Poland threatens to reject EU treaty [72]


Not football fanatics.
Violent thugs.

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There's no way I can condone or defend such actions. It is despicable.
People do things in our names that can make us sick.
There are, however, bad people on all sides.
Two wrongs, as I often say, do not make a right.
Amongst these islands in the northwest corner of Europe, it does seem as if Northern Ireland has been left behind by the rest of the UK and the Republic of Ireland. So much for all the arguments and the fighting.

What is a British identity to anyone in the province, or indeed, a republican identity, when their fighting leaves them in a weak position economically and socially?

Like many issues in the world, it is too complicated to treat as simple.

Sorry about that aside.
Back to the topic?
Hmmm.

Life / WHY POLISH PEOPLE DON'T USE THEIR NATIVE FIRST NAME WHEN ABROAD? [136]

When I was at school, learning French, we were all given French names.
I was Claude. A mate of mine had to be Michel, which everyone found very funny.
I start learning Polish and then I realise the only new name I have earnt is the word for Donkey.
But if I went to a new land where they speak a strange language, and people couldn't pronounce my name, I'd be tempted to change it.

USA, Canada / Buying food from Poland and have it shipped to the US? [9]

Some foodstuff just don't travel well.
Check for shelf-life.
I'd have expected there to be plenty of authentic Polish food in the US.
Just because it's not from the place of its origin, doesn't mean it's not made according to traditional methods.

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Well, demonstrate this then.
I'd like to complain about people complaining about people complaining about people complaining...


I hope you have a nice time. I'll be in Lomza.

I might ignore these arguing about Poles in the UK threads, I might not.
Same with you, Sledz. I might ignore you, but then again...


Said the man who seems to be just a tad riled.

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I'd hardly call it 'hanging out'


Or give some Poles jobs, help one out by providing accomodation, then visit Poland?
You don't see very far, do you?

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Good point.
I would ignore them.
But would decent-minded people ignoring the scum leave a skewed view of how the British think of the Polish?

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Yes, there are no restrictions.
Polish people have the right to work in the UK (my little country).
Certain other EU countries, including France and Germany did not lift these restrictions, at least at first - I'm not sure about now.
As far as European countries go, the UK seems happiest to base itself on a US model.
It is not quite the same kind of 'land of opportunity' - it can't be, but we are more open than many of our EU neighbours.

Whilst jobs are available in the UK, there are no restrictions on movement, this has become a more obvious destination for Polish people to go to to find work abroad.

Will the US lift visa restrictions? In some ways, the large established Polish communities there, if travel was easier, could be more of an attraction than it currently is.


There are too many of these. I don't whine - I state my case calmly and sensibly.


I'd be the first to leave.

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I don't know any English people who want Northern Ireland.
The problem there these days is surely that there are some there who say they are British.
Does having more different people there now, such as the Polish make any differenence to the age old views of the Northern Irish?


Here are my answers.
No.
I know.


To counter some nasty things other people say about Polish people, showing that many British people are friendly to the Poles.
Because I have visited Poland and I will visit again.
I like Polish food (as well as various other cuisines from around the world).
Because I am attempting to learn Polish.


If you're talking about anti-Polishness, I've stated my position many times already.
If you're talking about anti-Americanism, I am not anti-American.
America has produced some of the most amazing things and people since it came into being.
That doesn't include everything, but then I'm not a big fan of many governments around the world.


Some Polish people seem to be doing very well for themselves here. Some aren't.
This is just one place where these things can be discussed.

RE: The argument about the EU.
The UK and Poland both happen to be members of the EU. It has drawn the two countries a little closer and brought many people to the UK from Poland. These are facts that affect Poland and Polish people. If this is not to be discussed on a forum called Polonia UK, I'm not sure what is.

I have also stated that this thread is almost the same as countless others, and such a number of identical 'discussions' is unneccesary, but some sides of the argument need to be restated for the benefit of anyone viewing the debate.

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I was just adding a bit of donkey magic to your point.

News / Are there any other countries that Polish immigrants are going to? [70]


I know a Polish man who left the UK, saying he was going to Iceland next.
I can't imagine him staying long - isn't alcohol ridiculously expensive there.


Does anyone use this word in a positive context?
Not in my back yard, they don't.

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You think this is likely?
Euro-scepticism is probably strongest in countries like the UK - not in much of the rest of the EU.


And the world hasn't moved on a bit since then?
These countries either still trade with us, or have found other lucrative partners,
or they have fallen behind in terms of infrastructure and ability to produce the goods we want.

Prices would have to rise due to the extra cost, impracticality of transporting so many goods longer distances.
Perishable goods?
Pre-existing financial ties with other EU countries - sever them?
The cost - unemployment, industry moves out of the UK into a better trading environment: the EU.

One sixteenth of me ought to return to Wales.
Any further subdivisions will probably involve sending some hair-trimmings to wherever the Hugenots were at their strongest,
and I think, some toenail clippings to the Netherlands.
Some of my cousins, some of my nicer neighbours and many of my friends would fare much more badly.

Life / WHY POLISH PEOPLE DON'T USE THEIR NATIVE FIRST NAME WHEN ABROAD? [136]

For the English speaker:

Przemysława - difficult
Wilczykowska - easy

Franciszka - easy (if I said Francisca whilst drunk, it might sound like this)
Szczebrzeszyńska - difficult (if I was really drunk and ordering a taxi home after the pub...)

Eurola: how many names do you have for scientific purposes?

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

Can't there be a big bucket for all these threads to go in?
One with a health warning at the entrance.
Do buckets have entrances?
Only when they're that big.

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But who wants to?


Thanks. I couldn't help it. Some things need to be stated.


What a good friend that one must be.


He's actually stupider.


That will be useful for the majority of our trade, won't it?
No, I thought not.

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You are ignoring the cost of NOT being a member in trading with the EU.
Then, money is paid to the EU without getting to make any decisions in return.


What would happen if the EU fell apart, say, starting with the UK?


How many agreements would have to be made?
What would be the cost?
The whole of the EU, or just certain countries?
Many people would lose out on the trade benefits of selective trade agreements.


Because the UK is part of the telling other people what to do process.
The British press just doesn't like to mention any of this. It doesn't sell rags.


We train many British citizens to make new lives for themselves all around the world already.


There are many things we cannot trade with the US for practical reasons.
They have no real ties to us and trade as and when it suits them.
The EU can be no match for such trade partnerships.


Seen where the dollar's been going? No.


It's for the same old arguments all over again.

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What is the cost of leaving the EU as people such as factions of both major political parties in the UK, along with a few rather unpleasant minor parties?

The cost of trade agreements with our trading partners.
It is expensive for Norway, Switzerland and Iceland.
These three countries also need to make legislation in line with the EU to maintain viable relations.
They have no say in what happens in the EU.
Investment from countries outside of the EU could be lost if the UK was not a member.
There have been more benefits from the movement of workers across borders, not just into the UK.

A fragmented Europe would not be a good future.
The EU is an essential part of Europe working towards integration - it helps to narrow the differences that, for most of Europe's history, have caused disagreements, factionalism and war.

The EU is not perfect. It needs change, but everything takes time.

Food / Is lamb big in Poland? [53]


Is there anything else it is similar to?
I've never (knowingly) eaten horse.

I know this looks kind of sick, but...

... there is a man behind the donkey, so to speak.

Dangerous question: what goes into kebabs in Poland?

Food / Is lamb big in Poland? [53]


Wild boar & apple sausages every couple of weeks.
Ironically, each week I alternate between these and lamb and mint.

Food / Is lamb big in Poland? [53]


Doesn't it seem odd enough that a donkey is asking questions on an internet forum for starters?

Sheep, throughout much of Britain's pre-industrial history, were the most significant thing in our economy.
You can't avoid the bleating little so-and-sos in much of our countryside.
I eat lamb at least once a week.
To meet someone who has survived for 20 years without tasting one of the major nutrients was a bit of a shock.

Food / Is lamb big in Poland? [53]

I have to say I've never seen a sheep in Poland.
I haven't spent enough time there to look though.
I have seen a man on a bicycle leading two cows down a road.


Rosemary and mint sauce are quite powerful flavours that can combat the force of the lamb!
If lamb is eaten, what herbs, spices and condiments are usually associated with it?

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Some go for cheep beer and make fools of themselves and of the rest of us.


It costs less over there and it is not the same beer.


No.