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Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

There were never any "Polish Concentration Camps".

Erm....sorry...but that's a to easy way out!

Without the collaboration of homegrown helpers no occupation would had last long.
It were your own people who made that possible....not some marsians!
I would say, since 1956 you were mostly on your own...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1945%E2%80%931989)#Bierut_era_.281948.E2.80.931956.29

Gomułka period (1956-1970)

[edit] De-Stalinization
Władysław Gomułka

The Polish Communists were divided into two informal factions, named Natolin and Puławy after the locations where they held their meetings: the Palace of Natolin near Warsaw and Puławska Street in Warsaw.[32] Natolin consisted largely of ethnic Poles of peasant origin who in large part had spent the war in occupied Poland, and had a peculiar nationalistic-communistic ideology. Headed by Władysław Gomułka, the faction underlined the national character of Polish local communist movement.[11
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Hard-line Stalinists such as Berman were removed from power, and many Soviet officers serving in the Polish Armed Forces were dismissed,[26][29]

Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

That, it seems, was what Germans did having lost WW1 - they started WW2. Now, how stupid was that?

WWII was a continuation of WWI with a rest of arms inbetween.

Maybe Poland would if they were not held captive until 1989.

They actually HAVE riches to supply Germany and western Europe???
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

They want the shield, let them have it.
Why would you, as a German, be bothered? Do you really think that between the two evils Russians are the better option?

Well...I just see it as a perfect example of polish stupidity again, repeating what happend seemingly all over polish history again.

They let themselves be used for american purposes, but have to bear the brunt of the neighbours agression and displeasure.
The US is far away, happy to have a pawn obeying their whims but Poland? Not
only bad relationships with Russia but suspiciously and wary treated by many Europeans who know exactly what's happening - not a good way to secure Poland in the EU, playing the squabbler, the divider, the american foot in the EU door..

Just imagine Cuba would have let installed russian military hardware on their territory...the US was so coool about it, weren't they!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

If Germany were to look at the reason Russia wants to spead more money, risk the enviorment for the pipeline? Germany could join with Poland as a united front then the EU could not be broken apart in this manner. All this does is buy Russia into the EU at the price of unity the EU. Germany sold out to the highest bidder and the price is a losing a solid EU.

We here in Europe (especially Germany) have not much means to get energy but to buy it from foreigners. The need and demand is growing, not to mention that newcomers like China will want more and more too...energy in any form will become a bone of contention in the coming decades.

Now working to secure your sources and also broaden your possibilites while we still can is a smart move.

Environmental concerns must be talked about and recognized and I'm sure they will be cleared up. Stop using these arguments when you in truth mean something else!

If Poland is sitting on riches they could send over they should tell us soon!
Russia is one of the biggest energy supplier and frankly we need them...
Poland should join Germany and the EU or they should offer another energy source instead. But they have nothing else to offer....it isn't as if they live by air - they are taking russian energy quite without any problems too!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

That doesn't answer the question.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#cite_note-wsj-55

However, European Comission Energy comissioner office confirms the commitment of the Union to building the pipeline, stating the "EU continues to strongly support the Nord Stream pipeline as an additional source of gas supplies from Russia".[56]

Same with Poland.

Really? Tell that to the Poles...

I'm lost. Didn't you just write they will get the same as always for being at the frontline - nothing!

Well....they got it from the Soviets, their declared enemy not their allies!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

How would not installing the pipe under the Baltic Sea weaken EU?
How would dependence on Russian gas and oil would make it stronger?

Don't play daft here....they give a sh*it about the pipeline!
It's a matter of cooperation between Europe and Russia and the US/Poland feeling left out. A pure power game! It could be something else entirely and the bitching would be the same...

Actually, Poland did quite a bit. From Germans too. Weren't you the one who complained about it a number of times?

That's why I also said Poles should stop whining...they got some good rewards in the end. Now always running around and making today's policy with a chip on their shoulder/seeking revenge for old grievances won't help them one bit...

Now, didn't Germans get anything for being American bitches after WW2?

Well...I think it could have been worse....
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Sweden's main concern is not environmental at all.
Americans also oppose the line, and I doubt they do it for the love of clean waters and fresh air.

Well...the american opinion doesn't count for much in my opinion.
Their foreign policy in the last years was rather confrontational and agressive, not to mention that they want to weaken the EU to stay the main political power player.

That they don't like to much cooperation between Russia and the EU fits well into their world view.
US hawks want to isolate Russia and to expand the Nato to the russian borders, not to mention supporting crazies like Saakashvili to disturb relationships.

To bad that the Poles agreed to be their pawns....they will get the same as always for being at the frontline, used for somebody elses plans - nothing!

(Start your brains Poles!)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Poland is not the only country or organization opposing the pipeline. But you knew that, didn't you?

Well...I see a difference between real environmental concerns and using it for political bitching and powergames.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I don't see Germans and Russians giving gvarances for Poland and our peaceful life. Nord Stream is such example . You don't want Americans and we want peaceful life. Build Gas pipe lines thought Poland and we can fell safe and Russians and Germans can play global games.

Best example, the Nord-Stream-Pipeline! :)

Poland was invited to take part....they would have gotten independent access to the pipeline with branches to polish territory (the offer still stands as far as I know).

But noooooo....making a political stunk...calling it a Molotov-Ribbentrop-Pakt....THAT is so not clever!

The other best example is the military shield!
Preferring to be the pawn of a far away power who cares as much for Poland in need as did GB or France instead of listening and acknowledging their neighbours objections and talking WITH THEM instead of agreeing to far away powers....nothing new here!

You want ALL at your own terms and will get nothing in the end...

PS: The EU is more a garant for a peaceful life than the US is!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Go to 1939 and what did you think Polish would do? Therefore we are not the ones without brains, eager to fight.

Germany for once had real grievances with the corridor and Danzig.
Poland was percieved as very stubborn, arrogant, denying every compromise, fully trusting in their alliance with France and GB.
Did you know which choice Poland left the Germans in Danzig?
"Become Poles or leave!"
Original polish quote:
"Germany can't avoid war even if she wanted to!"
or
"In one week in Berlin!"
...always trusting the French and the Brits pulling their nuts out of the fire if chicken came home to roast!

They do this again today...trusting in far away countries like the US instead of working closely with their neighbours!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

If only Poland could have just ducked.

They should start working their brains instead being always so eager to fight (and being proud of it).
Especially their position in Europe between two power houses demands more cleverness and smart decisions than Poles showed in their history!
Maybe here is a reason for the lacking acknowledgement of Polands deeds, in the end they are proud of their military feats but it never brought them much.

Diplomacy, negotiations and smart alliances instead of stubborness would have maybe got them farther....just an idea.

But as we could already observe in the EU THIS particular polish feature is alive and well...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

How does it look from out side ? I don't care. If we look on what had happend durring WWII ... burned Warszawa, London, milons people had been killed.

You have no idea what you are talking about here, haven't you Luki?

I don't care for your reasoning....I care about the practicability of this far fetched plan.
You just say "all will be ok" without showing us the details how it might have worked out.
I believe it would have led to an even greater disaster with a loss of face for Poland and nobody caring if your country get's parted again between the victorious Germany and Russian...in the end nobody cares for an agressor!

Would WWII started anyhow? Who knows....but I doubt the peace between Stalin and Hitler would have hold forever, Europe just wasn't big enough for both of them...(maybe it wouldn't had become a WORLD WAR, just Germans and Russians slugging it out between each other)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Hitler claimed Poles to be animials ... he has written it in his book. East was land to conquer. Game we have been playing was more than clear. He was German leader he had broken peace treaty.

We are talking 1933 here...Poland would be the agressor, trying to take over a peaceful and WEAK neighbouring country. Try to leave your polish-centric viewpoint behind and try to look at this from outside, as it would perceived by most countries in Europe and world wide!

The Treaty of Versailles was a goner anyhow, it was one of the promises Hitler made to get voted in. Did you see France and GB doing anything but protest weakly???

Enough with your political apologies and please some facts...how should it be done...imagine you were Pilsudski and you command your army to break the border...now what next:

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Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Strange assuption ... In my opinion Poland and France would beat you and everything would be ok. There were milions of Poles on German side of border but I doubt that Poland would like to change it.

What would be ok?
You are to ambigous here...please explain!
Try a news report...explain the situation...Is there a polish flag on the Reichstag or what?
Assumed you had beaten the german forces, WHAT THEN???

Agressive Poland ... LOL :). I think that this war would be good for europe. Beaten Germans in 1933 would changed their mind.

Yes, a country invading another is seen in every case as the "bad guy", if he would have good reasons or not. He is the agressor and the other the victim!

Finaly invasion in 1933 was the best solution,

Why??? Gimme some more Luki, not only statements...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

France and Poland were much stronger than Germans. Hitler violated teaty. It was the best solution for the wrold ... unfortumately Frech believed in their fortifications .... Germans in 1933 were easy to beat.

On paper Luki!
The French were stronger than the german forces in 1940 too...on paper.
Would the French have been willing to occupy large chunks of Germany for an undisclosed time? Doubtfull!
Would have Poland be willing to occupy large chunks of Germany for an undisclosed time (assumed they had won)? Probably!

German resistance becoming active...large scale fighting....Germany seeking and receiving alliance with Soviet Russia who seeks enlargement (and get's it promised) till to the german border.

France losing interest soon, GB and others unwilling to side with an percieved agressive Poland, sympathy for Germany and the civilian resistance in world opinion is mounting, two front war against Poland between Sovietunion and Nazi-Germany...now who would win!

Don't forget....Germany and Hitler 1933 hadn't the same image as in 1939 as political pariahs (Olympic games 1936) and their forces may be not as strong but they are alone by numbers more than a match for their neighbours!

Very soon Poland would lose any advantages...

You were saying?
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

It was the best solution

Rumours Luki!
But please play this scenario out for us. How could it have been happened in reality...

*waits*

Just a hint: Nazi/Soviet coalition....good bye Poland for the next 300 years!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Britain entered the war to save their own ass, not to defend Polish independence.

I fully agree!
(Even as I think Britain would have been left alone if they had agreed to an armistice as Hitler still had seemingly a soft spot for them....for the time being at least)

But on the other hand Poles fighted also for Poland, (because they weren't given the choices the French got or the Czechs and most other overrun countries were given) and not for Europe, the Brits or the Amis...so stop these looking for thanks on all sides.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Could Britain have done more for Poland?

Yes.

What exactly could they have done more?

Declaring war and than ... dropping leaflets. Yeah, we should be thanking those brave Brits endlessly

What exactly expected you to do them?

Most historians agree that this alliance was nothing more but a bluff.
If pushes came to shove there was NOTHING serious GB could have done.....
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

"never has so much been done by so many for so little"

Hmm...if all those great deeds are not respected you should maybe start to think if they really were this great or only in your imagination.

Maybe Poland did to much on the battlefield (which is not in high standings anyhow) and not enough in others?
Maybe there just is a huge difference between how you see yourself and your actions and how others percieve them?

If Poland really would be the countless times gallant saviour of europe how people like Polonius percieve Poland there would surely be more recognition...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Nov 2008
Genealogy / Schmude (Szmude) [7]

Schmude, Norbert, Herbert, Paul, Wilhelm, Fröhlich are rather pointers to a german family... Schmudes in todays Germany: More info for Schmude: wiki-de.genealogy.net/Schmude_(Familienname
Bratwurst Boy   
27 Nov 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I must somehow missed the Poles trampling on the Berliner wall in this days in 1989...were there many taking part in the mondays demonstrations in Leipzig?

Funny thing....Dokus have shown that the east german Stasi would have used military if Moskau had backed them. But Gorbatschow showed them the finger as they begged desperatedly....

So...it's more a matter of russian perestroika than the polish Solidarity that the Berlin wall fell!

If you consider that the 2 most agressive nations in the world: Germany and Russia

Ahem....wanna compare histories of Germany and...say....GB...or France...or Spain....or whatever?

And most of the times they end up going against one another.

How often was that?