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Bratwurst Boy   
5 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

You would have had to march through Germany, of course!!! You were the one that declared war. It means marching through Germany. How else is it going to happen????

England??? 1939??? Marching through Germany??? Erm...do you think they would have been successful?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Ground troops in large numbers to help defend Poland, within Poland. Even thought this never happened what about not going alone with "Stalin's" orders to not help in the Warsaw rising, demanding Poland had her freedom at wars end. Even the US dropped one shipment over Polish.

There was no "Ground troops in large numbers"...remember Dunkirk?
They would have had to conquer Germany first. Look at the map...to free Poland they would have to go over Berlin first, how realistic was that?

GB had to be bailed out by the US themselves, how on Earth should they had been of help for Poland?
Being part of the alliance was the only way for both of you...

Britian could have stood up to Germany like they said they were going to.

They did, they declared war on Germany....making a German/Polish war to a world war with far reaching consequences.
But that was everything GB was able to do at that point. Look at a map!
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Then, the gulag-style KZ started appearing all over the GG and BRITIAN still does NOTHING!!!!! Why was that so?

Umm...okay...the same question goes for you...WHAT exactly did you expect the British to do!

*waits*
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Dec 2008
Feedback / PolishForums.com mission needs to be plastered on the front of this forum [49]

PolishForums.com is a free community service for both English and Polish language users. We are here, for all PolishForums.com members, to discuss subjects in the news, both politics and entertainment, that are directly or indirectly related to Poland and Polish people.

That's all what we do! It might be often controverse but that's why I'm still hanging around here already for more than a year...as a German! (With a much needed helmet mind you)

I think the Admins do alot...they are shoving messages around, warning and banning members...what else do you demand from them?
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I just saw the July 20,1944 memorial for the first time on TV and what happened to the ones that tried to assassinate Hitler. On the news they were portrayed as hero's today. I never even heard of them in history class.

Coming soon to a theater near you:

valkyrie-trailer.blogspot.com/2008/10/tom-cruise-valkyrie-movie-new-trailer.html
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I was looking back to who started the notion of "the divine mission of the German nation." I was not aware the date went back that far.

Well...try to look at the Germans not always through the lenses of WWII...
Germans fighted for unification as a nationstate longer than others and what connected us were never borders but language and culture. It had never so much to do with a Generalplan OST...

I don't know if you know that but a fight against invaders (the French) was it what started a feeling of unity of "we Germans"...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Relative.

No...they did NOT live even in "relative" peace!
And the Sudetens were NOT happy in Czechoslovakia and many, many Austrians wanted to become part of the german success-model under the leadership of one of their own! Austrians made later the best Nazis!

Who taught you history Filios?

If everything really had been so peachy Hitler would have stayed a failed painter and could never had gained such a crowd!

Celinski? Try to post your own opinons instead of posting so much opinions from others..
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

The overwhelming answer was yes! Hitler forced anschluss down Austrian throats.

Oh pleeeeaaaaaase...who taught you that crap?
The Treaty of Versailles FORBID an Anschluß, a unification...why do you think they had to do that???

"...Less than a month after German troops marched into Austria, Hitler ordered that the invasion be ratified by plebiscite. The poll conducted on 10 April 1938 showed that 99.75 per cent of Austrians were in favour of the annexation. Subsequent claims that the results were doctored by the Nazis were later substantiated. But recent research suggests that the actual number in favour of Nazi rule was still about two thirds of the electorate.

Professor Gerhard Botz, a historian at Vienna University who has researched the period closely, said yesterday: "Hitler was welcomed into the country as a successful Austrian who was returning home from abroad and suddenly letting his own people take part in his successes. He was a sort of ersatz monarch." ...

A different case. But German and Polish populations co-existed in relative peace.

The Poles were NOT "nice" to their german minority and regarding the time Danzig should fell under polish government they were clear about it:"

"Become polish or leave!"

There was no relative peace!

"...The relations between Germany and Poland had already grown tense during the summer because of the question of the treatment of the large Polish minority in Germany and the German minority in Poland.

The struggle of the German minority in Poland against Polonization is paralleled by the struggle of the Polish minority in Germany against their Germanization.
..."

You speak of Sudetenland as if the Germans were being molested there. They were very happy to be part of Czechoslovakia. Hitler again created disaffection by creating the German Sudeten Party and distorting those Germans' views.

*rolls eyes*

"...President Woodrow Wilson sent ambassador Archibald Coolidge into the newly created state Czechoslovakia. After Coolidge became witness of Czech police brutality against peaceful Sudetengerman demonstrators (54 killed, among them women and children [1]), Coolidge suggested the possibility of ceding certain German-speaking parts of Bohemia to Germany (Cheb) and Austria (South Moravia and South Bohemia). ..."
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According to the February 1921 census 3,123,000 Germans lived in all Czechoslovakia, i.e. 23.4% of the total population.

The controversies between the Czechs and the German minority (which constituted a majority in the Sudetenland areas) lingered on throughout the 1920s, and intensified in the 1930s....

My were they happy!

And you hold the view that nothing could have been done to prevent war because of the treaty?

Not really, no!

A smarter politician might have been able to do the same as Hitler, rising to power on grudges and grievances but stopping at a right, a better moment without losing everything again due taking on the world.

But with Hitler a madman with a racist policy came to power, a fanatic...not a pragmatic....

Stopping him before he had righted things would still have left many Germans restless and unhappy, easy prey for another one like Hitler.

Stopping him at his height proved to be impossible...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Folk hero's and martyrs are easily forgotten when someone else is the bread winner... If enough jobs and money was flowing into the economy, someone like Hitler would be in the backseat.

And who would guarantee that how? And what about Danzig? What about the Sudeten? What about Austria? What about the Treaty of Versailles and the restrictions and the war guilt clause?

Then tell me, my realistic German friend, how would you have done it?

The seeds of WWII were already sown in the Treaty of Versailles of WWI.
But since Poland was a profiteur of WWI and this treaty this is something we won't find a common view point about I think...

The moment Adolf Hitler gained the power it was already to late!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

80 million, yes, but many of whom are not yet supporting Hitler.

No, they would not support Hitler but they would hate to be invaded even more.
If it were the goal of the invaders to destroy any opposition to Hitler and make him a folk hero and martyr, they should go on!

Like I said, this could be done quite quickly with no bloodshed.

French and english troops marching onto Berlin without any bloodshed? I don't think so...

I doubt that many Germans would see him or the Nazi's as martyrs.

Erm...it would be a fight of Germans against invading foreigners...no longer Nazis against Anti-Nazis, you can bet on it!

I would stage assassinations of Hitler and some of his high ranking officers before the invasion, using a few communists, and then disposing the communist killers afterwards as well.

Absolutely unrealistic!

Money should have been poured into all sectors to stabilize the reformed centrist-socialist govermenent.

Money from where? How much? I can't see London or Paris pouring money into Germany..

Allied forces would have been called out as soon as possible so that German citizens can see their own German army.

An independent army would be an enemy of the invaders, or only a joke!
Especially when you somehow managed to murder some of their high command!

Bratwurst, I still do not understand why you are so skeptical about anything to do with this

Realistic Filios, not skeptical!

With some better decision making, and the taking of a few lives, Europe could have been saved from 6 years of war and millions of lives!

But not through a foreign invasion in 1933!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

If it became clear that Hitler would gain power, invasion would be necessary.

And then what???
Tell me how an invasion should have worked? Taking control over 80 million people who would NOT want to be ruled by foreign invaders (a Pole should know about it).

Do you know that an invasion would fully play into the hands of the Nazis who talked about an outside conspiracy against Germany in their pamphlets already all the time?

ANYBODY who would work with the invaders would seen as a traitor to the people..
Just ask the French under Napoleon...they brought their ideas of the french revolution to Germany but in the end only brought the Germans to unify against them and together to kick them out...

How do you think such an invasion would be even viable under international right is beyond me...Hitler was still just another politician in an ordinary country!

You would lose ANY moral advantage and who knows, you might pave the way for someone worse than Hitler!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

The earlier the allies would have fully supported the Weimar, perhaps not even militarily, the better it would have been for everyone.

That is a far cry from invading and taking over the politics forcefully!

The problem is that no one really saw Hitler as a threat until it was too late.

The problem here is that you point at Hitler and say "he is to blame"!
You seem to think that with taking him out of the equation everything will be okay, but here you are so wrong!
Hitler, the politician with his hate was born in WWI and the aftermath. Hitler rose to success and acceptance on REAL problems and REAL grievances....they would still exist....Hitler was a symptom of Germany after WWI not the cause!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Bratwurst, are you in denial that the majority of Germans were still centrist-socialist at this time?

At least one third was firmly in the NSDAP camp and you can BET that these numbers would have doubled, tripled and grown even more the moment foreign invaders made Hitler a martyr murdered fighting for german freedom and independence...

Boy...every politician who would want have one inkling of acceptance would need to come from the armed resistance from the underground during the guerilla war which would undoubtly follow with hot contacts between them and Moskau.

Stalin surely knowing a distracted Poland would be easy prey...

PS: And where from should the money come to "help Germany onto her feet"??? From Poland???

PPS: wait...you didn't mention Poland...only France and GB...sorry....my fault...again France and GB should get Polands nuts out of the fire....again...as it wasn't GB or France so much where Hitler had laid his eyes on...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Erm...and what about the Germans???

What the Polish people did for others, and the strength of our people.

Poles really seem to rule the realms of misty, glorious but empty phrases...but when you ask for clarification and hard facts then...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I am sure you have viewed the statistics as far as troops & equipment Poland was up against.

I doubt the Poles of that time acknowledged this themselves or else their behaviour against Germany might not have been so self assured...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Okay....I still need a clarification!

It's May 1945, the german forces surrendered...Americans and Russians did just had a happy party at the Elbe..so what now?
Not WHAT GB should have done but ideas HOW they should have done it please!
You are now the polish commander providing the allied command in the HQ with some viable plan how to free Poland from the coming soviet occupation:

Start here:
(But please don't do a Lukasz on us with throwing some misty phrases into the discussion - that is helping nobody)

1.)....
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Dec 2008
History / Polish and Russian propaganda posters [18]

can't resist posting my favorite poster:

He....cool poster...wonder why it didn't work though...:)
(neither the one nor the other)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Polish pilots have destroyed 12% Luftwaffe planes. On every one shot down Polish plane, Poles shot down six German planes (6:1), for example British pilots had (3:1).

Actually I would like to see the evidence for that because I frankly don't believe that.

12 percent of which Luftwaffe planes? In which time frame? When??? Where???
I doubt the quotes...
As far as I know the Luftwaffe had always a good quota during the war, even till near the end...but never one as high as much 1:6, that's ridiculous!!!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

bbc.co.uk/archive/ussr/dr6715_1.shtml?docall=2&doc=6715

Interesting archive, thanks Cel!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

Berlin Wall - 1989, well, this is where Germans lacked their courage and waited for others to clear the way. Before that East Germans would sshit in their pants when around anything that had to do with Solidarity movement.

???

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_1953_in_East_Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_demonstrations_in_East_Germany

It could have ended in a disaster, that it didn't had not so much something to do with Poland but with a Gorbatschow who saw the futility of a russian action, so the Stasi was doomed.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

The problem is that mostly anti-nazis were percieved as potential danger to the occupation. AK soldeirs were frist aim.

Well, the occupants themselves were mostly anti-nazi...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

So they were murdered because the Soviets percieved them as a potential danger to the occupation and NOT because they were anti-nazi, correct?
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

Of course yes.

I don't get it...where is quoted that they were killed because they fighted the Nazis???
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

Where my Polish anti-nazi ancestors were killed after being catched by Soviet NKVD.

They were killed by the soviet NKVD because they were anti-nazi???

Of course Soviet tanks in Hungary were supporting majority of Hungaians ... the same with Soviet army and special forces in Poland ...

Can tanks govern a whole country??? I don't think so....but the countries functioned...now what a mystery!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

But you won't want to hear from them "THAT'S ALL THE FAULT OF THE HORRIBLE RUSSIANS...WE DID NEVER EVERYTHING WRONG *sniff, sniff*"

Face it Luki, without broad collaboration by the homegrown opportunists and commmies the russians couldn't had done much...they weren't allmighty and far stretched as it was.

So we can call concentration camps after 1945 POLISH concentration camps!

In later communism if you wanted to work in office you had to sign paper etc... many of memebr of this party weren't supporting this system ...

You don't have to tell me that.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

in 1920 Poland stoped commies

Now they were back alive and thriving after 1945....polish ones at that!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_communist_party

3.500.000 People! Some Marsians...

Finaly it was Polish Solidarity... who started peaceful revolution in this part of europe.

What led to what? Perestroika to Solidarnosc or Solidarnosc to Perestroika?
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

and German collaboratos have raped all females in Berlin.

Well...the GDR had their own homegrown commies and their Stasi.
I wouldn't blame EVERY pimple on the Russians...seems a hard thing to do for Poles!