News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]

Gunslinger44

Again, the person who doesn't agree to this nonsense, is being accused of having no knowledge at all. As if all the religious nutters have all the wisdom in ownership. You are not of this time Gunslinger, you are obsolete and you don't have a place in modern society. Go join lesser in the same religious cult where you can pretend together that you're right.

Christians always fail to see sarcasm, though.

Careful, your idiocy is shining through.

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M-G (Rabidus vir audio ut Deus. Sapiens vir audio ut suus ego)

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It's funny how you religious nutters always claim that the ones who don't agree with you as having no understanding. Is this something like "listen to me, man, I'm the way, the truth and the light"? Some truth and some light.

Crusades were murderous expeditions to liberate the Holy Land. Too bad that thousands on innocent ppl died before they got there. Witchhunts - were they performed by the state? Heck no, they were performed by priests and they based it on the Maleus Maleficarum. But what do I know, I have limited understanding of the topic. Heretics were ferociously proscecuted by the church and, like witches usually ended upon the pyre. The priests had a funny trick to see if somebody was a witch: they attached very heavy rocks to your body and threw you in the water. If you stayed under water because the rocks were too heavy and you couldn't get rid of them, you drowned. If you managed to get rid of them and surfaced again, you were a witch as everybody knew that witches floated and you went into the fire. Either way you lost. Who were witches? Solitairy women, living apart from the rest of society, herbal collectors, women who had an overly sex-drive. In short, they were "different". And of course the plebejum couldn't stand outsiders, so: into the fire with them!

And somehow somewhere abortion pops up. What's it to you man? What gives you the right to tell a woman what to do and what not to do? It's her body you know, not yours and besides, you don't pay her bills, so you don't have any right whatsoever to tell her what to do.

What gives you the right to tell homosexuals to do and what not to do? What's it to you if two men or women fall in love with each other. It's not my cup of tea either, but I think everybody has the right to decide what he or she wants to do in their life. They don't need religious nutters to tell them what to do.

What the f*ck is wrong with you? Go make yourself useful to society by planting trees or cleaning the trash out of the streets or paint houses or whatever and let other ppl live their life they way they let you live your life. Or go join a religious cult, preach that the end is nigh and join in common prayer with your fellow cultmembers, deep in the woods, far away from modern society.

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M-G (tiens)

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Speaking about funny arguments, Lesser. Have you forgotten about the Crusades, Witchhunts, the hunt for Heretics, limitation of lots of rights of those who think different, the hostility towards ppl of different religions - a fact where the Christians can learn a lot from the Muslims in fact? Arabs were tolerant towards Christians, a tolerance that wasn't repaid by the Christians.

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M-G (tsk)

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

1jola

I indeed read a piece on the Soviet occupation of Eastern PL in the years 1939-'41 and I have read indeed that it was the Soviets who played out the diverse nationalities against each other. They actually did not even conceal it, but publicly enforced and encouraged it: minorities were set up against Poles, Jews, as well as Belarussians, Ukrainians. But what I do not understand is that when you know that it were more than just the Jews who fell in the trap of the Soviets, but also Belarussians, Ukrainians; why don't you guys hate them as well? Why is it only the Jews? I mean, the Ukrainians you call your brothers - some brothers, they were happy to kill you guys. Explain that pls, without the CP as we already know that argument. Thanks.

I will have a look at the book recommended and I will see if it's worthwile buying it, as I don't like to read books from the screen.

PS: Saillaint detail may be that the Russians are also a slavic ppl. And see what your "Slavic Brothers" did to you. I've said it before and I say it again: so far for Slavic Brotherhood - it just simply does not exist and has never existed.

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M-G (busy)

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I'm not gonna engage anymore in a Yes-No Yes, but...-dispute, I'm busy right now, but this remark made me laugh. That's all I'm gonna say about it. Just have a look at this again and tell me if you can read this sentence aloud without being interrupted by laughter or getting tears in your eyes from laughing.

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M-G (tiens)

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Dad will say simply that these are very happy ppl and leave it at that. Pls, stop this nonsense, I know you must be somewhere deep in your 70's, but live and let live and apparently you don't want everybody to be equal, so let me put it straight: basically it's none of your business.


Should I call a doctor for you or some professional help? You obviously need it very badly. Christian bashing? Where in the Western world does this happen? I haven't heard of this since about 2000 years. Gay bashing, yes, but Christian bashing? Never heard of that.

The Orwell quote was directed at the Communists/SU not at gays or something.

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M-G (and if you're not 70, you sure sound like somebody who is)

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


Just exactly how did Jews betray Poland before the war? I haven't seen any proof of any Jewish atrocities against Poles in the centuries before WW2, yet I can name a few atrocities committed by Poles on Jews in the centuries before WW2. These are facts and if the facts are considered to be anti-Polish, well, about whom does this say more?


There was/is Polish anti-semitism. Nowadays it may not be as virulent anymore as it used to be, but it is there and it has been there. Maybe not always, but yet for a certain amount of time it was. There is absolutely no denying of that.


You really should lose the paranoid notion that everybody is manipulating the facts in order to prove you wrong or to prove themselves wrong. Kielce did happen and it sent a wrinkle all over Europe. What is there to manipulate? It caused many Jews to leave PL or not to return to the country they considered home. I'm only postulating that thies pogrom may have ignited the concept that lives throughout the world that PL is anti-semitic. Heck, I learned at my (non-Jewish) school that Poles were anti-semitic. Just like a lot of other kids did throughout the West. That MUST come from somewhere, doesn't it? And I don't believe that it's all a lie, as if it was, it would have been revoked a long time ago - we Dutch are pretty fair towards honest history. We admit our own failures and we correct failures made in historical views.

The friend-story is true. We were just discussing Jewish attitude and Polish attitude and those two combined towards each other and so on. It was then when he told me that. It's an illustration. Nothing more.

Around 40.000 to 100.000 Polish Jews survived the Holocaust. Yet their number is of course humongous within the CP compared to the 66% others...To every Jew, there were 2 local Poles or Russians. Yet it's a Jewish movement, of course.

The Jewish meet and greet of the Russian troops in 1939 were mostly organized by the local Communist Party, btw, and not spontaneous. Another misconception.

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M-G (tiens)

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That still leaves 66% of non-Jews in the higher ranks. Just wondering why this minority gets the brunt of the blame and not the Polish participant or the Russian? Besides, the NKVD not only arrested and deported Poles at the time, but also Jews. Again you're focusing on a minority while the majority had no part in it. I'm just wondering where you got that number from as I read Soviet sources that said that in the early days there were only 3 to 5 Jews in the higher echelons of the CP of the USSR.

After WW2 there were only a couple of thousand Jews left in Poland. Hardly enough to run a terrorist régime, don't you think? Even if they were to try, they would easily be overturned by 30 million Poles.

Hate sites? Which hate sites? Jewish anti-PL sites? The same hate sites that try to present the overwhelming presence of Jews in the CP? Or what? Or the hatred preached in the Talmud? The Kielce pogrom is a fact, as is the fact that Poles stole the houses of those whom they thought were dead anyway. And when they did come back, they were asked why they were still alive. It was actually chaos in the immediate aftermath of WW2 and things did happen, whether you like it or not.


What a way to say that you're a sore loser. You quote a line Golda Meir said upon Pius' death publicly and she said it as saying what he really did would make her look disrespectful and would cause her to lose a lot of popularity in the Catholic part of the West. Because that was what Golda was all about as well: mutual agreement and respect. Behind closed doors she was well aware of what Pius actually did to save the Jews. Nothing, except praying for a swift victory of the Nazis over the Soviets. And tell me, what points did I not address?

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M-G (merci beau coupe)

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There is a big difference between indoctrination and informing kids about parts of society their parents (be it willfully or not) keep them away from. I agree with Seanus that it involves HUMAN rights. You religious beings like to be treated equal, don't you? Not for the nutters normal ppl sometimes think you are, eh?

Indeed, leave it be and forget about it - it doesn't affect you in anyway if those ppl are finally get equal treatment.

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M-G (freedom for all, except Albanians. I don't like Albanians)

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1jola

I am very well aware of that. Nobody indeed cared about them, hence the more or less hostile attitude of Israël. Everybody had deserted them, and after the war in some parts of Europe things went on like nothing happened, up to the continuing of the killing of Jews. So what else do you expect? Being nearly wiped out and after this ordeal trying to come home only to find that the ppl there have taken over your house, took all that you owned and basically told you you were not welcome anymore. And everything is being justified with "what the Jews did to us." I haven't found any pre-war pogrom of Jews killing Poles and even longer ago, I have not found any conclusice evidence of that. Yet there were pogroms on Jews before the war. Somewhere this must come from. Many Jews were faithful patriots for the country they considered their home. And it was their home as they contributed to culture, society, science and whatever. They fought as brave soldiers in the respective armies and did most of the time all they could to contribute to society. Yet they have been killed for no other reason than that they are Jews. And when it was all done, still nobody listened to them. Instead we hear moaning about Zionism and the gruesome deeds Israël performs. Again, I don't condone those deeds as I am against violence and oppression of any sort, committed by whoever, but what different attitude did you expect? I don't condone it and I condemn it, but it is highly understandable.

Let me reverse things: suppose you're living in another country. Your great grandparents have moved there and you feel a fullfledged member of that state. Yet, at one point, while your family is there for 100 years, somebody comes up to you and says to you: "you are not one of us, you're a Pole. Go back to PL." How would you like that? And what if you don't even speak Polish or never have been in PL in your life?

And btw: just admit it, I have beaten you on the Pope Pius XII part.


Every country had his ppl of the Jewish faith. It wasn't that the Jews were persona non grata, but just the sheer numbers and the hypocrite attitude the West generally has towards refugees. But the difference is between those other countries and PL and RU was that these other countries were shocked by the Holocaust and did not kill Jews because of them being Jews after the war. And the Poles did, be it maybe only once, but still, they did. I think the Kielce pogrom of July 1946 is the main catalyst of the fact that a lot of countries in the world (not only Israël, mind you!) view the Poles as anti-semitic. A Polish friend of mine once told me how his grandma, while watching TV could pinpoint every Jew on there and when she pinpointed them, her friendly face always turned to a disgusted grimace. He never understood that.

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M-G (lunch time)

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1jola

Well Golda Meir wasn't known for her good memory.

Throughout the Holocaust, Pius XII was consistently besieged with pleas for help on behalf of the Jews.

It looks like I am beating you up on this one. And this is just one source of many that stated that Pius didn't do anything during the Holocaust.

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M-G (and besides: it was a public statement upon his death and nothing but good from the dead, eh? She mainly said this as sign of goodwill, not as historical fact)

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Sokrates

See, without the use of foul language we can actually have some form of decent conversation.

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Another fact, often presented as cause or justification of the Polish disliking of the Jews was the publicly cheering of the arrival of the Soviet Troops or, in the case of Jedwabna, the transferral from German occupation to Russian occupation. What ppl who put this forward as reason often forget is, that Jews knew what was going on in Nazi Germany and since the Russians did not have the reputation of killing Jews ad random, they were relieved it was the Russians that were to occupy and not the Germans. Soon, the Russians started robbing everything in sight and they realised that it was the same, with the difference that they weren't going to be killed solely based on their Jewishness.

Edit: oh come on, Sokrates, even Cardinal Glemp admitted that it happened that way. And what you seem to forget that there were also loads of Jews suffering from the atrocities of the Soviets.

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M-G (lunchtime)

News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]

Gunslinger44

Gimme a break. Do all these noble warriors of morality take care of the unwanted babies that are being born in this world? Hm, bet they're not at home when these come calling. Don't give me that religious bullcrap about how a person starts at the conception. It's nothing more than an eggcell that gets penetrated by a semen. For the first 12 weeks it's nothing - no foetus, no baby, nothing but a few cells that are splitting and splitting.

It's the woman's body and it's up to her to decide what is happening to it. Not yours not some 2000 year old God who is not of this age anymore. Grow up and look around. It's a free world and ppl are free to do what they want.

Sorry, but I don't want to hear anything about this subject anymore: the statement concerning this is: IT'S THE WOMAN'S BODY AND IT'S UP TO HER WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO WITH IT, OK? NOT SOME GOD, NOT SOME DEMENTED, PERVERTED, CHILD MOLESTING PRIEST. And it's the only pssbl statement, the rest is all bullcrap. Sorry for shouting, but maybe it's more clearer this way.

Edit: I would suggest that, if you are so concerned about the life of these unwanted babies, you start collecting money to support them. I'd say we start with you, we will deduct 65% of your income for this good cause. I am sure you will have no problem with this as you are strongly in support of saving them?

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M-G (good one, Seanus)

Life / BEING POLISH MEANS....? [18]

That you were born in Poland. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is conditioned.

But the examples you mention go for indeed every country across the world. It's called modern times. You wanted to be part of it and to stick to national stuff only is outdated. How old are you? 75 or something?

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M-G (tiens)

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1jola

The book we are talking about was published (in Polish) in 1987 - I admit I do not know any other publications of her. Jan Gross, although critised by a handful of fellow-historians, got support from an official Polish inquiry into the massacre of Jedwabne, of which he claims it was perpetrated by Poles, not by Germans. You want to dismiss this too? You can't keep on dismissing evidence and don't get me wrong: I am very well aware of the fact that the Talmud contains some passages that are not very favourable for non-Jews and that there most certainly were bad Jewish ppl, but if you take a close look at the Bible or the Koran, it contains hateful passages too. And besides, like Christianity, Judaism likes to present itself as the sole true religion, and every person who does not believe in it is an "infidel" and should be treated with disregard. You should not lose out of sight the timeframe in it was written. It wasn't written in the 19th century, but 2 to 3000 years ago, different times, for sure. And also, every movement which is in the process of retrieving a place in society will profile itself in extreme form first; once it has gotten its place in society it will mellow down naturally. Take the feminists: when that movement came up, all men were hated and every man was a potential rapist. Nowadays (at least in NL, where they have been around since the 60's or 70's) former extreme feminists are actually embarrassed by their previous statements. It's just a matter of evolution - natural progress. Except for religions as they seem to refuse to progress and prefer to remain living in the time they were created, because, yes, every religion is created - it's not a natural thing, but created like other movements. If certain movements are based on a lie, so is religion, only that is a movement in which loads of ppl believe the lies they've been told. In that respect, religion is the most successful movement there has been so far.

Edit: and what support did the Jews get? Pope Pius didn't want to condemn the proscecution of Jews, wanted to remain a "neutral" course as not to offend the German Catholics. However, when the Germans invaded the SU, and communism is the arch-enemy of religion, he was delighted and actually prayed publicly for a swift victory of Germany. Just for your consideration: whom did the Jews have to trust?

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M-G (tiens)

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1jola

Not yet - I am ordering it, so it will take some time before I can quote it. I may be old fashioned, but I prefer to read from paper than from computer screens.

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M-G (likes his bookshelf)

Life / Good Polish Music: disco polo, rock, and club music [33]

hey, I'm on Last.fm too :)

I think I have two albums there and one EP, have to check if it has arrived correctly when I uploaded them. You can download them for free ;)

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M-G (shamelessly marketing)

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1jola

You didn't answer my first question. Also, I have a second question: why do you dismiss any source that states that there might be anti-semitism among Poles as drivel, while on the same time, you keep quoting Shahak on parts where he gives out to Judaism, et cetera and present this as solely reliable?

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M-G (two sides of the spectrum)

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Tell me, should I take a website like jewwatch serious too? Or a Holocaust denier like Michael A Hoffman II? They produce even more drivel and yet loads of posters here present this site as reliable source.

Sokrates

Can you provide a link to the official list, then?

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M-G (every spectrum has two sides and the truth is as usual in the middle)

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Jewwatch is a known anti-semite site. Even the name doesn't conceal its true intentions. Therefore I don't take any of its contents serious as it always turns out in the same direction. Any serious researcher should never base his entire conclusions on this very site alone. Michael A. Hoffman II is a known Holocaust denier and the fact that he writes negatively about Judaism and the Talmud is not surprising - he doubts that there were gaschambers in Auschwitz, whereas there are pictures and an overwhelming proof that there were. Now, you tell me, do I have to take a guy like that seriously? All his conclusions always point in one direction, he never even bothers to research the other side of things. In my view as historian, this disqualifies him as a reliable and serious source.

Edit: therefore it doesn't surprise me that he comes up with a huge "list" of Jews who were supposedly be a member of the Communist Party.

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M-G (tiens)

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I would advice anybody who is interested in the Polish view on Jews, to read "The Image Of The Jew in Polish Folk Culture" by Alina Cała, a Polish scientist who, in the footsteps of Herz researched the attitude of Poles towards Jews. It's widely available in online-bookstores and there is an English version of it as well. It just gives an insight, albeit slight, on how Poles looked upon Jews. It might open ppl's eyes, and I mean the eyes of ppl who keep maintaining the opinion that Poles were always good to Jews, were heroic in the saving of Jews during the Holocaust and those who still maintain the opinion about Jews their forefathers had already. It will open their eyes as it's written by a Polish scientist who based her research on many, many interviews, literature-research among other methods. After hearing all the time how Jews are evil, bad and eventually brought the Holocaust upon themselves, it's time for a more refreshing look and based on this side of the story get a more balanced look at things. But I doubt those who still claim this latter opinion, will read it.

PS: it might sometimes be a bit disturbing for those who always thought the Poles were saints.

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M-G (tiens)

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Gunslinger44

It's a difference if you go look for "bad" passages or passages that give way to multiple interpretation or passages to confirm a prejudice, or if you really look neutral at it. If you look at all holy books in a neutral way, you will find that all of them contain passages that could be interpreted as hateful, or vile.

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M-G (coffee)

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I own a copy of "Mein Kampf". That doesn't make it fact-based.


The Final Solution was not mentioned before January 1942 and comprised of the massive killing of the Jews in Europe, i.e. the building of extermination camps. Hitler thought of sending them to Madagaskar before that, but that was just a thought. Jews fled and were nowhere welcome. Ships toiled the sea for months and finally had to head back home to German harbours. There is no proof whatsoever that the American or other European Jews made dealings with Hitler as far as not sending them over. They did get refused though, but that was mainly based on the fact that back then Germany was not at war with them yet and they didn't want to upset a "friendly" nation. Many KZ's in Western countries were built by those countries themselves, meant as collection camps for Jewish refugees before sending them back as not to insult that same "friendly" nation. Jewish organisations didn't act because they feared confrontation with the refugees with questions as to why they did nothing. Reason why you hear about the attempt to wipe out the Jews as a ppl in whole is because it's an international thing, all countries in Europe were affected.

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M-G (tiens)


jewfaq.org/gentiles.htm

But of course Polish culture does not have any negative term for Jews. They're like harmless sheep, are they?

Have a look what Sraya Shapiro says about the Polish attitude towards Jews:


So don't tell me that it's just because some of them joined the Communist Party. Some did, indeed, but the vast majority of members in ANY Communist Party of the world consisted of locals, not Jews.

For your consideration.

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M-G (tiens)

Life / Polish 'Barbie Doll': What do Polish Women Think? [12]


She actually got her inspiration from a German doll called "Bild Lily" :D

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie

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M-G (bad, southern, bad!)

News / Should Poland acquire the atomic bomb? [28]

Maybe they should and then performs tests in Greece?

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M-G (always happy to provide tips)

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I didn't question him. His is just one view of many. Once you take all views into account, you can make a balanced claim.

I don't know why there is an atmosphere against PL and the Poles being created by Israeli schools. But as I understood the government is taking action against this. My main hunch would be that the Kielce pogrom is mainly responsible for this. It is at least responsible for the view (in the West) that Poles are anti-semitic (and of course, it was a very clumsy timing there), so there is a good chance that this goes for the view on PL and the Poles within Israël. But I don't believe that Israël is a breeding machine of hatred towards Poles and PL, that is a gross exaggeration. This works both ways. Just like not every Pole was a hero, not every Israeli hates PL. And I still believe that the smearing of swastikas are drunken incidents, not general rule.

Just to retouch on the fact that I am supposed to be anti-Polish. I am not anti-Polish at all, I have many Polish friends in Dublin and if we're going to take incidents as general rule, then I can say that I don't like the Polish buggers that vomit frequently drunken on my doorstep. I know they are Polish, because I catch them every time and every time they were cursing and swearing in Polish at me when I kicked their *ss. Yes - I hate those bastards yes. But I do not hate Poland, nor do I hate the Polish in general. I don't think in groups, I think in individuals. If you would have followed my posts, you would've known this.

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M-G (and now it's time to close this thread)

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You're welcome to try. Just don't claim that I'm anti-Polish if I win.

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Nonsense. They may not have been committing everything they were accused of, but some parts certainly happened. Just like everywhere. Or have we come to the same old point again that Poles did nothing and it's the big bad world outside that did everything to the Poles? Even you cannot be so blind.

And how about this: when Rudolf Vrba escaped from Auschwitz, he did so on his own, together with Alfred Wetzler. Two weeks later he produced the Vrba-Wetzler report, the first report about Auschwitz, Holocaust etc that was taken seriously by the Allies. Let me quote from Wiki:


Just wondering?

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M-G (6 ft 4")

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Seanus

Seanus, this is what I have been saying all along. When I am in another country, I behave myself, don't make a mess and try as much as I can to adhere to local customs and rules. In Poland I would do the same.

Sokrates

Some ppl understood this from my first answer, but maybe it was a little too much to be expected from you.

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M-G (never claimed anywhere that he condones any violence or racism)

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Since you apparently don't understand that my previous answer to this question contains a positive, I will put it again:

Yes I do condemn any forms of racism, this includes any racist acts from Jewish youths.

The example of drunken Poles in the streets of Dublin town was a hypothetical one, a comparing metaphore. In case you didn't understand :)

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M-G (tiens)

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Sokrates

Just read my exiting remark and think about it - you may find the answer to your last question.

Let me ask you a question: if I put articles in here about drunken Poles that roam the streets in Dublin town, are all the Poles drunken b*stards then? Is the Polish government condoning drunken b*stards and actively encouraging drunkeness abroad? No, probably not. Don't claim that I say that all Poles are racists. I don't. Just idiots like you are. Don't generalize remarks made directly at you.

Another question: do you condone racism in any form or shape?

I think that it's pretty clear that when I say that I don't condone racism by any group or ppl, that I include Israeli youth in this and the act of not condoning usually implies a condemnation of excesses. I just don't believe the way you put it here: that all Jewish kids are like that. But that is maybe just a symptom of the handicap you're having.

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M-G (waiting)