History / "GANGING UP" ON POLAND? [99]


Who is tense here? Just putting some info for those who are interested to know of Ukraine more than limited Polish 4th grade view that Ukraine suddenly appeared in 1991. ;)


As well as RP was not Poland, so what is the argument here? ;)

History / THEY WOULDN'T LISTEN TO WISE OLD PIŁSUDSKI!!!! [67]


Absolutely, Poland even didn't know about Tcheckoslovakia invasion by Polish army and stealing their land. It was Germans who devised the plan in Berlin and only notified Poles at the last moment. "Hey, Poles, tomorrow you invade Tcheckoslovakia and don't forget to grab the land for yourself. Truly yours, Germans. 1939" Those Germans..., they always do evil things and poor Poles are somehow unaware of all that. Sh*t. Why don't you use Vatican counter-intelligance which was quite powerful at that moment?

History / "GANGING UP" ON POLAND? [99]


Of course, you are wrong. There was not such country as Poland then as well. There was some resemblance of it, if you want, which was called Rzecz Pospolita or something like that, but no Poland, so you didn't exist 20 years ago according to your logic. "Solidarnosc" decided to create a country of Poland and here we come. You came out of a blue like we did. Cool.

Just for your general knowledge I will name you 20th century names of my country, not going back to the whole past millenium:
Ukrainian People's Republic 1917-1920
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic 1922-1991
Ukraine 1991-Judgement Day
Was it called exactly "Ukraine" - word for word, of course not. Ukraine as country traces its origin to Kievan Rus' and Kiev, which was its capital since 5th century. Mongol's invasion and wars destroyed the country completely in 12-13th century. It split into many kingdoms and chiefdoms. One of them was Galycko-Wolynskie kingdom invaded by Polish kingdom in 1340 when capital city L'viv was robbed and burnt by Polish army. Since then it was a long and tough fight for independance through Hetmanate and Ukrainian Cossacks rebellions and wars. Eventually, step by step we got it.

Please, read a bit history and don't make arrogant remarks of something didn't exist just because you wish it didn't. It is a fate and we can't change it. I wish Poland wasn't our neighbor at the western border or Russia - at the eastern part. But I can't change it, right? I can't put Slovakia or Bielorus' at both ends just to cover both of ya. Well, I know it is impossible, but, at least, I have decency to respect your existance as such.

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


I got some Polish historian for you, even in your native language:

"Historycy PRL dowodzili, że większość, 80-90 procent więźniów przetrzymywanych w Berezie stanowili komuniści i socjaliści różnych narodowości. Z początkiem 1938 roku osadzono w Berezie Kartuskiej na politycznej detencji ponad 4,5 tysiąca Ukraińskich nacjonalistów, co wskazuje, że obóz rozbudowywano. Od wiosny 1939 roku zaczęto osadzać w obozie również kobiety. We wrześniu 1939 roku w obozie przebywało 7 tysięcy internowanych na rządowej detencji: 4,5 tysiąca Ukraińców i 2 tysiące Niemców, w tym wszystkim 360 kobiet"

Historians of Polish Republic stated that majority - 80-90% of the prisoners contained in Bereza Kartuska were communists and socialists of different enthnicities. Starting with 1938 over 4.5 thousand Ukrainian nationalists were detained there on political grounds, which means that the camp was enlarged. In spring 1939 women began to be emprisoned there as well. In September of 1939 - 7 thousand people were there based on government detention orders: 4.5 thousand Ukrainians, 2 thousand Germans and 360 women.

"Zresztą w izbie tej bito więźniów stale bez jakiegokolwiek powodu oraz masakrowano ich do krwi".

The prisoners were beaten there constantly without any reason whatsoever including bloody butcherings.

"Tę czynność fizjologiczną można było załatwić tylko raz na dobę, rano po obudzeniu
Konieczność trzymania moczu i kału powodowała awarie za które okrutnie bito, a i taki ubrudzony moczem czy kałem śmierdział wszystkim, nie mógł się wyprać".

Going to the toilet was permitted only once a day, right after wake-up. (For that you were given only a couple of seconds amid other 20 prisoners standing in line; most of them weren't able to do it). Eventual inability to hold back urine and fesces led to forced defacation for what prisoners were severely beaten. Neither of them had later cloths to change or wash and were stinking by it all.

eioba.pl/a86034/bereza_kartuska_polski_sanacyjny_oboz_koncentracyjny


I can only imagine what would have happened to me if I lived in Poland at that time and was noticed to be writing these lines on PF. My activities would have definately given reason to believe....

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


Do you often hear that somebody demolished a chair or a table? Haha. ;) Nathan went to the bathroom to demolish some of the toilet paper and then completely destroyed in a demolition spree shampoo and soap in the shower...


Read what I stated as an assault in #35. Even raising a fist if it causes "a reasonable apprehension of harm", correct? Now, find me a lawsuit in Poland where a Polish citizen is suing Jewish tourists for "demolition" ;) and assault ;).

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


Ukrainian historian, Viktor Idzio, states that according to official statistics, 176 men - by unofficial Polish statistics, 324 Ukrainians[clarification needed] - were murdered or tortured to death during questioning, or died from disease, while escaping, or disappeared without trace.

In early 1938, the Polish government suddenly increased the number of inmates by sending 4,500 Ukrainians to Bereza Kartuska without right of appeal.


Yes, please, be so kind and expand on that, historian jola. Just give an example for validity of incarcerating 4,500 Ukrainians in this Polish concentration camp in 1938, not mentioning those who already died tortured before. I am expecting you will answer my question?!


Be a bit more polite towards people you don't know. Look at your writings and tell me they are coming from a person who read anything besides biased Polish school forage you keep on munching all the time. Open yourself to the world, read historians from other countries.


Bereza Kartuska was a concentration camp, nobody says anything more, don't make things up. Don't invent words at least from the posts of others.

"the only difference is that internment camps are for prisoners of war and concentration camps are for minorities that you are not technically at war with"

wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_an_internment_camp_and_a_concentration_camp&src=ansTT

Dictionary: concentration camp
Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary
n.
A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions.
A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.
answers.com/topic/concentration-camp
In the prisoners' building, each cell initially held 15 inmates. In 1938 the number of inmates per cell was increased to up to 70. The floors were of concrete and were constantly showered with water so that inmates could not sit. There were no benches or tables. By the time they were released from Bereza Kartuska, many Ukrainians had had their health destroyed or had died OUN members who were incarcerated at Bereza Kartuska have testified to the use there of torture. There were frequent beatings (with boards being placed against inmates' backs and struck with hammers), forced labor, constant harassment, the use of solitary confinement without provocation, punishment for inmates' use of the Ukrainian language, etc.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


"Demolition is the tearing-down of buildings and other structures, the opposite of construction. Demolition contrasts with deconstruction, which involves taking a building apart while carefully preserving valuable elements for re-use".

"The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action that indicates the ability to carry out the threat. A mere threat to harm is not an assault; however, a threat combined with a raised fist might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim"

If you could, please, supply the links and facts which would fit the above-mentioned meanings of words you used. Thank you in advance, Sokrates. ;)

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

What is the difference between internment and concentration camps if in either ones people were dying?

Language / Hussar-the word, is it originally Polish? [10]

I don't know why they did it, but somehow it helped them out. On the other hand, you can't blame them, gumishu, it wasn't their hobby, it was fear.

News / Putin for Polish president? [69]

Was it "Ola, Roberto"? ;)

News / Are Christians prosecuted in Poland (and Europe in general)? [53]


I am not Polish, so I can't answer that question, but it is difficult to understand what you mean by public manifestation. Regarding Stalinism failing I can tell you of Ukraine: no matter how hard they tried to kill people's belief, deporting millions to Siberia, torturing in prisons, famishing them as in Holodomor where 10 million Ukrainians were starved to death in 1932-33, they still weren't able to take away the faith. These f*cking pigs did whatever that dirty scum could and you say "failing"? What is the hell then?

News / Are Christians prosecuted in Poland (and Europe in general)? [53]

There will never be a winner - religious or scientific, because in both cases it is a human who defines both of them. Throughout our history we were looking to profit from everything we saw on our way. Look at Christian or Muslim religion, even though their founders were talking about love and respect to others, tolerance - turning your other cheek etc., we managed to create Inquisition, Crusades, Witch-hunt, war blessings, bullas, religous fanatism with all its ramifications, suicide bombers...and at the same time we found, somehow, support in the original teachings.What can you say, we are "geniuses"! Science serves well only as long as we let it. Science is indispensable, no doubt whatsoever. But I think there are some results, about which you are talking, that can lead to dire consequences later. Creationism was able to keep people in some paternal grip for quite a while, whereas Evolution taken out of the Creation context and believed in, will, in my opinion, bring more intolerance, disrespect to a human being as a creature. A human will become more like a material, something like coal or oil in that new world. You might say: "But look at all the wars and BS humanity lived through its history - where is your creationism or respect?" My answer would be this. There is nothing that can hold humanity from bestiality except reason and there is nothing capable of turning a human into a beast, but his brain. The more we know, the more we understand that each one of us is of value and at the same time the brain works to put "I" at the front and destroy everything on the way of self-glorification. There should be a balance and both science and religion have to play role in it. If one of them succeeds completely, humanity as such will be a history.

News / Are Christians prosecuted in Poland (and Europe in general)? [53]


What you are saying here is tainted with fanatism as well. You say that JohnP doesn't know the basic fact referring to the theory of evolution which is not a law or a fact, but a theory - so it is not 100% correct or sure, therefore, it can't be a fact. You accepted this theory as such and try to throw it out at somebody as religious fanatics do, whom you are criticizing. Remember that a stick has two ends. You can't simply follow one path without respecting the other possibilities. Unsupported scientific fanatism has no more value that a religious one.

Language / Hussar-the word, is it originally Polish? [10]


It is definately feminine. But originally it comes from Latin "hussarium" which means "chicken feathers" or more correctly "chicken wings". Roman army used this name to call weak soldiers who usually escaped battle-field during a military conflict leaving only part of their plummage which was of above-mentioned bird's origin. They still used them because when fleeing they raised the dust which was blown into the eyes of the enemy and this way helped out the outcome of the battle. After many years following Roman's empire fall due to known causes, emerging Polish state took this name to call the same type of soldiers who were scared to fight on the ground and preferred to be on the horses, thus facilitating greatly inevitable battle-field escape. Different from Roman frightened soldiers, hussars had it in the form of wings (but still made of chicken feathers, of course) in order to show their sole reliance on God and its angels' devine wings since you cannot pray with the palms of your hands touching when you flee the battle-field and hold tightly reins of the horse.

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


Harry, when will England open Ministry of Polish Whining Matters? I think it is indispensable ;) And I think Poland should finance it as well.
Also you have to know whether to invite 15 or 16 people from Poland for a parade in order not to undermine foreign relations. World diplomacy should become more like Japanese tea ceremony matter where years and years of practice is necessary to be able to deal with one country's constant b*tching.

Work / I want to move to Poland from Ukraine but I need to find a job [19]


As you can see you won't get your answer here because instead of giving a simple reply to your question, many jealous chikitas are busy making calculations. I recommend you find some other place for that and wish you all the best, Irusichka.

Love / First date with this Polish girl! Some advice required on what to say and what to do. [35]


He dates only boys... It worked for him in the past, no doubt :)

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


So you are saying that Ukrainian language wasn't there in 1809? Ok, let me show you something, my beloved Socrates. Famous literary work by Ivan Kotlyarevkyj "Enejida" is considered the first purely Ukrainian work and was published in 1798. Here is some additional info:

"Ivan Kotlyarevsky's epic-style 1798 poem Eneyida (Ukrainian: Енеїда), is considered to be the first literary work published wholly in Ukrainian. Although Ukrainian was an everyday language to millions of people in the area now known as Ukraine, it was officially unrecognized and discouraged from literary use in the area controlled by Imperial Russia. Eneyida is a parody of Virgil's Aeneid, where Kotlyarevsky transformed the Trojan heroes of Virgil's Aeneid into Zaporozhian Cossacks". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Kotlyarevsky

Btw, learn Ukrainian and read "Enejida" - this is an amazing piece of literary art and very funny. You'll enjoy it. Otherwise, you can read it in Polish translation - I saw it in a store, but it didn't sound as well - original is always better.

Now about Ukrainian and Ruthenian languages and their intimate relationship:

"Scholars do not agree whether Ruthenian was a separate language or a Western dialect(s) of Old East Slavic, but it is agreed that Ruthenian has a close genetic relationship with it. Old East Slavic was the colloquial language used in Kievan Rus' (10th - 13th centuries).[1] It can be seen as a predecessor of modern Belarusian and Ukrainian".

"This linguistic divergence is confirmed by the need for translators during the mid 17th century negotiations for the Treaty of Pereyaslav, between Bohdan Khmelnytsky, ruler of the Zaporozhian Host, and the Russian state".

Ukrainian traces its roots through the mid-fourteenth century Ruthenian language, a chancellery language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, back to the early written evidences of tenth-century Kievan Rus'.


Kyjiv, haha, have you ever been to the capital of Ukraine? I doubt it. It is one of the most beautiful cities in Europe. I am from L'viv and I love my city, but Kyjiv is beyond that.

I know that Gniezno was the oldest Polish city and capital.
"Early Slavonic settlements on the Lech Hill and the Maiden Hill are dated to 8th century. At the beginning of the 10th century this was the site of several places sacred to the Slavic religion. The ducal stronghold was founded just before AD 940 on the Lech Hill, and surrounded with some fortified suburbs and open settlements".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gniezno

"Kiev was founded in the 5th centuryby East Slavs. The legend of Kyi, Schek and Khoryv speaks of a founder-family consisting of a Slavic tribe leader Kyi, the eldest, his brothers Schek and Khoriv, and also their sister Lybid, who founded the city. Kyiv/Kiev is translated as "belonging to Kyi".

Visit it Kijiv some day and you will understand what I am talking about - it is 1,500 years old with history which spans many epochs and events, battles and cultures, clashes of religions... It is unbelievable. I recommend it to anyone. It is also located on the 4th largest river in Europe - Dnieper - very green with many parks and lots of churches and museums...

Life / POLISH INSECTS CAN RUIN YOUR LIFE.... [27]


If your immune system can't fight the disease, it doesn't matter how many fat cushion you have or how big muscles you possess. As far as I know there is a bull's eye symptom in Lyme disease where you have a red spot surrounded by a white circle, which in itself is surrounded by a bigger red circle. The pain as you probably know and all signs will disappear after a while, but horrible consequences will ensue withing 2 year period. It may even result in memory loss and nobody wants you to forget PF. Go and get a shot, no matter how expensive it is.


I remember you were talking about trip to the Eastern Europe on a Harley. If you have money for that, I hope you will find some for the health. Good luck.

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


As always Russian lie. The above-mentioned names were used since the 17th century, not before. As you can guess why - because of complex of inferiority on Russian side since they were feeling insecure living on the outskirts of Kjiv and former Kyjivska Rus'.


It is Bandera, Herodotus ;)


I am not - I am thirsty of you; I would drink juice out of you and still won't be satisfied. ;)

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


You can draw a general link of our African origin, but not this, anthropologist. ;)
Of course, some argue in Ukraine right now that we should have preserved our old name - Ruthenians, but I think it is unneccessary and I like being called Ukrainian and my coutry Ukraine. Russians picked their name in 17th century, if I am not mistaken. They branched off in 13th century of the collapsed Kievan state caused by Mongols' invasion. It is history, Sokrates.

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]


;)

News / Poland among the greatest enemies of Russia [112]

Right, one - on battlefields and the second - being more belligerent towards your idols ;)

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Ukraine enjoys its statehood for over a millenium now as well. Being at the crossings of Asia and Europe, it was going always through difficult times. We fought Poles, Russians, Tatars, Turks, Mongoles, Germans and managed to go through with it and independance was regained. To say things you and Porzeczka says is just to show your ignorance. I am not surprised what your historical books look like when even in the kindergarten they put racistic BS degrading respect towards other nations from the time when the milk is still wet on the lips.

News / Poland among the greatest enemies of Russia [112]


Poor Socrates, we beated you again ;)

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


Poszeczka, if there was no Ukraine before WWll, then there was no Poland at all. Why do you have to put your innocent ignorance in every matter, on every subject? Since 1924 Ukraine was part of the Union of "independant states" (as it was written in Soviet constitution) and Ukrainians fought not for the Union only, they fought for their land where many of the biggest battles in the history occurred in 1941-44 period. If you will have a war in the EU and Poles will die in it, would it mean that no Pole was killed in the war? Have some decency and respect to those who paid by their life for giving me and you an opportunity to be here and stop whining. Make parade in Warsaw and honor the fallen the way they have to be honored and don't make out of remebrance some phantasmagory.

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]


This should be an unbreakable law in all countries of the world. If someone has a brain of a pea, unable to learn language of a country one moved into, or due to some disease or simple inability - just have politeness to sit quiet and munch your own language instead of imposing your letters on the nation you should be grateful to be visiting.

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

I know. That's why Sokrates heard only of him. He likes professional escapers/runners and ball-punchers ;)

Love / Difficult Polish girlfriend - how long would you put up with her? My story. [68]


My condolences for your wasted heart, nerves and life's time, but also felicitations for your decision. Thank you for sharing your experiences, Jihozapad.

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


Well, they are not as famous internationally as Polish Golota, but they are doing their best ;) Klitschkos don't have skills to hit below the belt or escape from the boxing ring from Tyson at the beginning of the 2nd round like Golota.


Try it out - it's good. Tell me which one you like the best. I love trying different things.