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Puzzler and Grzegorz why are you wasring force?
Don't you see people hate Radio Maryja not because of some political mistakes or high living standards of some personalities?
Don't you see Radio Maryja is hated only because it mentiones about 10 testments?
Don't you notice these people describe Radio Maryja as if it punishes them for their adulterium although nothing of the sort exists in reality.

You should make a conclusion that the mere mentioning of Christian morals indignates them. Nothing more.
Don't waste force.

Puzzler you seem to be on wrong way.
You don't pay attention to the fact that today liberasts are trying to put Christians in a social ghetto similar to ghettoes Jews had before. They want to make us outsiders who keep our faith nearly in secret. No difference between Communists and liberasts.

Radio Maryja is only one of such examples. There are other cases of the sort including those that don't have alleged mistakes of Radio Maryja.

Remember Saint Ester. Ancient Jews had the right to make with Aman tribe the same Aman planed to do with Jews.
If liberasts want to make us outsiders, we should accompany them to outsider's place.
Christians are quite disciplined to do that. If anybody is openly inmoral, he may loose reputation and as a result career or business. Not by violating Law. Only because respectable persons don't trust him.

15% most active people will subordinate to these idea although they may be inmoral in their majority. As inmoral persons they are individuals in a crowd unable to collective protest against moral and organized minority. Everybody subordinated to moral rules will never admit nearby anybody successful without visible moral ideas. That will be the beginning of social moral improvement.

There are examples in History. I'll quote only one: Victorian England.

And what are you doing, Puzzler? You are convincing those who understand only force (of public opinion for example)?

You'd bettre think why they are so angry. If you are fond of meat does that mean you are angry by the existence of vegetarians? No because you are not afraid they will come to power and prohibit meat at all.

Why are they so angry? Because they are afraid. They feel Christianity has force (not Radio Maryja taken separately). So learn more about that force and you wan't have reasons to dispute here.

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You were given the explication some three times that there are many elements in chain between me and Putin. Many corrupted chiefs. You were given more than three times the explication that my main goal is to conquer my area and to oppose some magnates near me. I told you that the doubts in these magnates loyalty toward the president is one of the efficient arms.

No comments, no objections. Again about Putin that will go away next year.

You really think all depends upon one person? You have a peasant view on politics and at the same time try to teach Russians.


I'll be happy to receive good lessons but you don't give them.

I told you about main slogans and main steps possible today. You don't comment.

You started talking about the possible improvement of relations between Russia and EU. You were unable to find any Russian interest in this. Later you told that EU is unable to represent any interest to Russia. For what shall Russia improve its relation and in which direction?

You stated that Poland is an example for Russians. And quote the examples of some rebels and protests without the attention that the majority of protesting people are still loosers downstairs while those from communist system are still upstairs. So, their example is more convenient for active Russians.

Clear your ideas first

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That is the main challenge that makes us anxious. But you didn't mention any slogan...

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You don't give me any experience That is not the experience. Only romantic history quite brief bacause you don't mention rebels of 1830 and 1863 as well as 1944.

As you rightly notice everything depended upon first relations among three Black Eagles and second upon weakness of Communism. All victories came when the West started influencing in 1989.

Russia is quite a great state and EU is unable to control it.
So this experience is not for us.
Besides that the majority of protesters are still downstairs in Poland and as to Party activists of Polish People's Republic they were the first in integrate into new system and they are more wealthy now than before 1989.

This experience is more evident and useful for Russians. That is one of the reasons active people don't protest.

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There are constructive manifestations in Russia now. The majority of them are against construction of new buildings when residents think it can make their life less easy.

Today another type of street protests is developping. The protest against unjustified price on new technologies. In Province against internet high-cost because some local telefonic monopolists established high price on ASDL trafic. Such manifestations give results and price usually goes down in protesting cities. It will be down in all Russia soon but new motives for protest against prices on new technologies will appear. I'm sure.

As to Russian political opposition, well...
I'll show one of its slogans again:

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Is that your idea?
Do you really think it is enough to go on the street? Without any militia, without total control over residential sector and places of work and business? Without any technology?

Lukasz, you don't read I wrote to you. Yuo don't comment on that. You don't reject.
The only thing you do is the repeating of thesis about popular protest and freedom. Only those who have organization can win.


Can you see the dates on Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria?


Another question:
Which are the slogans for protests in the street now? Your opinion...

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We all today need low-cost.
Russia with average salary of USD 500 as well as Poland that may be much more rich

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Sorry I don't mention in any case the West and Japan-Korea

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What an anti-west totalitarian control! Stop talking about the real changes all over the world thanks to Western organization, industrial lewel, responsability. Yor are like Kim Il Sung. You want to stop any information about future Western great victory all over the world!

I'm sure it must be proclaimed everytime! The best Western asset in the eyes of the rest of the world.

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In quite an uncontroled state of 142 mln residents where the law is forest and a bear is justice? Don't be crazy. Europe could influence in Poland and you became better. Your posts show that by your own force it would be impossible.

You didn't oppose to my posts. You didn't notice weak points. You didn't try to make even a brief analysis.
You only want to show you are better but if it was your merit you would comment on my ideas with more professionalism.


That was my information I told you. You didn't mention anything concerning low-cost although you were the man describing prospects of EU. Before I mentioned low-cost you were admiring by western politics only.

When low-cost was mentioned you compared it with communism (Henry Ford and Levitt family are communists).
When this idea was shown as absurd, you immediately became sure the West is already inventing something.
First make your ideas clear and millions in Russia will follow you.


Sorry I thought you are for peace and military activities don't enthusiast you as it is in my case.
I didn't imagine you are admired that some GDP permits wasting money on military.


Sorry I didn't notice that

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I suppose that the same thing as Russians hearing abour USA agression in Iraq and anti missil projects.
I can feel that

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That occures when:


That cars will appear in EU if you conflict with Gasprom. They will come in such vehicles to solve conflicts. Be careful.

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That is not a serious approach. For serious one billions of dollars are required but the number may be more than some 200 million azll over the world.

For a really low-cost masterpiece many new know-how are required. The main challenge is unexpensive plastic body without painting. Its parts should be replaces without difficulties by owner. After accidents body should be rapaired quickly and cheeply. That influences in assurance.

Low cost should have such a construction that may permit it production even in very little plants without great investments. And so on.
That is very expensive.

Safety without expensive airbags also requires a new construction ob body. That is the reason why such cars as Trabi aren't convenient today - a shotr distance between the driver and front crystal.

Besides that Trabi was expensive in reparations. He had a duroplast body that mechanics found quite uneasy to repair. Reparations may cost the same as works with BMW.

New low-cost vehicle should in my opinion have tube body of sections user can substitute and plastic panels. That will make reparations less expensive and the car won't meet rush as it happened to another great ;ow-cosr Citroen 2CV.

Besides that plastic will take manufacturer away from painting. That is quite expensive at production as well as at reparations.

Low=cost isn't for Chinese car manufacturers. They can only copy western and Japanese models. New solution isn't still for them. Only Western and Japanese constructors can do that.

But many leading car manufacturers aren't interested in low-cost despite the graet number of future consumers.
Look: Car manufacturere receives some 3000 USD of profit from each BMW. From Dacia Logan gives as profit only 400 USD.
Low-cost for 2500 USD will give some 40 USD of pure profit. Besides that the equipment of their traditional plants in which they invested won't be useful for low-cost.

So only manufacturers of details and engines may be interested. The engine today is of some 10% of car price only. Nobody will save money producing a low-cost engine. So engine manufacturers will receive many new consumers if low-cost appeares. There are other interested manufacturers but they all depend now upon the interests of car manufacturers and don't want to have problems. And they can't attract billions of dollars for research.

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I don't think it is a good idea. Trabant is quite obsolete and new plastic techlologies appeared.
New investments in research are required. Old people's cars are old. New masterpieces are required.

Trabi in Africa is one of the examples that social need in low-cost exists and new research isn't in adecuate process.
Let us see Renault Nissan for USD 3000. In may be interesting but I doubt they will make the best model for this price bacause the research didn't attract billions of dollars.

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Lukasz,

I gave you my vision on today Russian situation. My view of the possible ways to reach democratic progress in the state.
I told you something about how I understand democratic theory in general as well as the secure base of free society. I spent much time describing all this.

Yes, I may be wrong. I'm looking for criticism because that can perfect my vision.
Tou didn't analyse my ideas. You didn't look for weak points or contradictions.
The only thing you did was teaching. Using common words any European can tell some african pagan tribe.
What does it look like?

The second question:
If you have such opinion on Russians, why you hate millions of Poles. We are discussing low cost that is also necessary for many Poles?

Do you really thenk an old Polish woman may buy a 2500 USD second-hand and repair it later?
Do you really think each Pole prefers working abroad even if a cottage for his family is available while he works at home? Do you really think Everybody wants to pay 25 years for a little flat in case if a 17000 cottage is available?


EU servants can live easier while they exploit fears. That is what I said. It was written that efficient work for EU people and new approaches are more difficult. Read that again.


I'm trying to do that. But the technology should be unusual for you.
Tell me about your work and I'll give you some marasmatic examples of opinions how to make this business. That will help you to understand me what I mean while discussing Polish mass media about Russia.

By the way the translation of Polish articles about Russia and making it public among Russian internet users is supported by Russian officials.
They want Russians to know what is written about their state. You think Russian authorities keep criticism in secret from society...
The vice versa. They do their best to let Russians know. Western mass media read by Russians is the best Russian govermental propaganda.

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Limonow's National - Bolchewick Party banner. These are those who form opposition with Kasparow. You are admired by this union. The banner doesn't seem similar to anything?

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Russia needs an intouchable and irresponsable President (terms of Polish Constitution of 1791 you are so admired).
To make the rest touchable and responsable.


You don't read my posts. I wrote that coordination may be in EU or USA. Because such priojects can't be national. That is ab obsolete approach. Why are you again back to the idea that low-cost is smth. like present. You are so charmed by EU present that keep your attention away from the necessities of Poles?


These things are on now. Stimulated by Putin. There are some dissapointed people away but 80% of Russians are for today changes despite many negative points


Well I'll answer. I'm 43. Some 17 years I spent only to learn mechanisms of democratic process. Reading and studying European and American past. These lessons don't come from the West. We, the Russians have to learn ourselves democratic technologies Europeans forgot.

That requires much years.Notice: I don't mention the lack of money and the fact that it is very uneasy to find support of ruling circles. That is my problem.

I only mention that many Russian years are lost for the study of democratic technilogies that should be in many books but in reality are only in RP history.


Try to read I wrote to you and you will see why we consider EU as hostil organization.


Golden words for a primitive indian from Amazonas...
Do you really think Russians are still waiting smbd will help them? What is it? Superiority complex or you want to repeat the words Poles heared in Bonn 15 years ago?

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Puzzler,

I left a great amout of posts especially for you since page 12.


Have you read Szlachcic Zawalnia by Jan Barszczewski?


Not yet. I'll do that. But don't forget^ many people all over the world can'r read thei book because it is out of Internet. Copyright is a good thing but sometimes it can damage History


Read Captain's daughter. The novel was previous to Sienkiewcz books. It seems to be of the same dtyle. I'm sure H.S. read it


That never occures.

Lukasz I'm in opposition to Russian authorities today. Not to Presidential status because his status is the only thing that can unite all Russians i.e. people of very different views.

I'm liberal in internal affairs. I also defend the principle of future Russian permanent military neutral status (like Sweedish one). Russia has to withdraw all its troops from other states and concentrate its attention in the defence of its own territory only, abandoning all military unions with other states because these unions are quite expensive for Russia and not efficient.

I'm sure Russia should ignore US provocations and protest only by words. Sooner or later USA will spend all its force teaching democracy in Iraq or Iran and miltipolar world will come.

These are my ideas. Some 30% of Russians can share them just now.

But I hate those who teach Russians from a secure distance as they taught AK earlier.
I hate those who received democracy as heritage and don't know its mechanisims. Those who give Russians absurd advices and considers that everything depends upon the process of votation.

I hate those who support today Russian "opposition" of Kasparow & Kasianow because such support is very similar to Soviet support of Communist parties in the West. This opposition is marginal. Besides that some of them use National-Bolshewick Party of Limonow (nazi-communist in my opinion) because they don't have enough agressive members and Limonow's fellows are in my opinion like SA in Germany.

All your posts show you take information from such mass media as Wpost for example. Loosers are sent to Russia to write about our reality. Very few specialists such as A. de Lasari are experts but they stick more to cultural issues. Nie is out of critics. To receive defence from them is worse than condenetions from the others.

The way Polish journalists describe Russia is subordinated to their own complex. They look for poor people in the province and listen to their sad stories about poverty. Nobody notices they are lumpens.

As to politics, only stereotypes are repeated. All journalists think all depends upon President in Russia and all depends upon a good choice of a man to this post. That is quite a totalitarian way of thought. People surrounding President and many chiefs downstairts are very interested in this. They don't limit themselves by subordinating and do much despite orders but they are always ready to make a presidential sacrification, to detrone him if necessary (or if he starts controling them) and to show themselves as executive only, as people who onle filfilled orders. The same thing was in 1917. That was by the way the reason why Poland didn't receive independence as promiced in 1914 and became socialist.

An approach like Japanese one of 1945 (King is innocent servants will pay for all) is required in today Russia. That will be the beginning of democratic changes.

But that is rather complicated for narrow minded Polish journalists sent to Russia. They repeat marasmatic ideas of other mass media. It is rather dangerous for reputation and career to contradict worls mass media.

I'm also mass media servant. I know this

The EU is looking for common Enemy. It is quite uneasy to make a European community without this element. New approaches are required. What for? If eurobureaucrat can receive a great salary using the exploitation of old fears. Are they interested in democratic and peaceful Russia? No. In this case they will become unable to keep European attention away from their problems.

We mentioned low-cost as one element only. The situation is rather marasmatic here ans millions of people may feel that. But low-cost means hard activities and possible confrontation with today manufacturers.

Confrontation with Russia is better.
As to Russia, the same thing. Lots of polititians who exploit old stereotypes. They are quite rich to share the interests of the men in the street. For them it is more easy to use obsolete slogans about superpower and past victories (they won't pay their own blood for next victories). They are quite invulnerable becaude the use US precedents in Iraq and EU in Kosovo. They are going to spend the rest of Russian resources for new battles. They all hate middle class because these people may become free and work as in the West and in this way to keep away from inferiority complex. But that will be the end of slavery and magnate dominium.

The only way is to separate middle class (some 20% of population) and to create irregular service for them. In this case businesmen, managers, public sevants military officers and law enforcement bodies officers, i.e. middle classers well feel themselves together and some independence upon magnates. Besides that such Organization will prevent Praetorian rebels and politics in defence of lumpens. That will make many reforms possible because now they aren't carried out by fear that magnates KGB and militars may rebel.

Those who gain money and serve to society will be able to defend themselves.
That was the best way to democracy in European and American history. Consult historians if you have doubts. Besides that extremism never won in stater with irregular bodies.

And what do I hear from the West? I hear that ruling circles should have a zooligic duty to take care of human rights. A crazy idea. Papers and freedoms in papers mean nothing (as well as oppositions and elections) if middle classers don't know how to defend themselves.

Your posts show that you can't imagine a state of 142 mln residents it a great territory isolated from EU and quite invulnerable. Only balance of forces can give freedom. Not a crazy liberast opposition but new structures and a real army (irregular) of middle classers. Only in this case Russia will become softer and concentrated in economic development. Only in this case Russia will be able to survive next gas prices fall without damage to its citizens and neighbours. Only in this case it will become neutral and indifferent.

As to Western mass media, nothing of similar analysis you can read. Only stereotypes. So don't repeat.

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I killed nobody in my life. Including EU citizens. Please mention at least 5 EU citizens killed by Russia.


Virtual world doesn't subordinate to Kremlin. Internet is free in Russia. I can receive all information about the EU I want. My close relative visits EU states 20 times a year by being top manager of a firm.

We see a real world and you hear only the facts you want to hear.
You are speaking about democracy without any attention to the fact the precesely democratic elections oblige Kremlin to be more agressive toward EU.


There are few stereotypes about Poland in Russia because Russians today have very few information about Poland and very few contacts with Poles.
Calculating? Nothing of the sort. Germans have such reputation.
Greedy? That is also the reputation of West Europeans.
Ungrateful? That is the opinion of some historians. Not of ignorant people. I think Germans may think so. As to Russians, they don't have their own experience by lack of contacts.

Those who have contacts with Poles in firms working here have quite a different impression. They say Poles don't have the same high lewel of self-organization as Germans and that they are looking for easy and sometimes doubtful ways to survive.

As to me, my stereotype isn't common with the majority of Russians. I'm among some millions of Russians who have Polish-speaking and Roman Catholic ancestors left for Russian lands in 19 and early 20 century.

People like me from mixed Polish-speaking - Russian marriages are educated in respect toward Polish-speaking ancestors. That respect appeared among their Russian relatives: wives, husbands. And (very unfrequent thing in Russia) among sons and daughters in law.

If szlachta was of some 10-15% on Crown and Litwa, in Russian lands nearly 95% belonged to very little szlachta. By the end of 19 century they were like British Victorians. Not their manners were first highly estimated by Russian relatives. High moral lewel was their main asset.

Well... Imagine what impression of Poland today can have such person as I


What is your business?


That wasn't western capitalism of its developing period of the first half of 20 century. Socialist Soviet Union had to experience Ford T and Levittown low-cost cottages that were one of the most important conditions for the formation of today western society.

Many protests in Hungary now show that even within EU people feel the necessity of low-cost by receiving an average salary of USD 700 only.
Politicians in the West received today society as heritage and they don't want to know anything about the elements that made it possible years ago. They want the rest of the world only to copy their today life.


I'm weak in business. I only know that low-cost is technologically possible. That the variety of cottage and vehicles models doesn't permit great price reduction. I only know that today low-cost is possible only in case of its global production. Period of peoples's cars is in the past. Multinational low-cost car models are only possible now as well as multinational module cottages. Now the research can take less money and doesn't influence in final price if low-cost is produced in some 100 million and more copies.

That process requires a coordinator. EU bodies can assure the protection and propaganda of such research and reject the resistance of many manufacturers that aren't interested to be in competition with low-cost.

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Your opinion is of great interest. Please give your impressions and examples. We the Russians don't have many information about the opinion of people like yuo and details you notice in our behaviour.


For us???
Are you really sure there are no Poles interested in low-cost cars?
My Polish friends are of different opinion

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I can imagine the quality of the car for 2200. "Quite good"???
Some 200 000 km...
Yes you may buy a good model by chance... By in majority of cases it will require some 3000 USD in two--three mounths.
And what about assurance? It may be some 700 USD for 2200 USD car. Very nice.
I know that situation in Belarus. It is not the way for an old woman.


More information about that research please.
That is a crime against Poland to keep silence about such attempts of the best possible cottage for 17000 USD. That is a real Polonophobia (I'm not joking)! Such research can't be modest everybody should know that. All states including Russia have a duty to donate because such research might be very expensive.

That is very serious. That may make Polish activities in the world more significant than USA.

If Poles can invent technology of low-cost cottages construction, I don't think they have any problems not only in Russia but in the whole world. Gasprom is nothing in comparison with the owner of this know-how.


Attract donations. Every Nation has a moral duty. More propaganda!
People all over the world are poisoned by rich snobs inside and house manufacturers using obsolete technologies. Poor people don't even imagine it is possible. Give them this prospect and you will continue the dialogue behind the backs of authorities.

Why Jaroslaw Kaczynski seems to be ignorant about that?

Siberian wood and Polish technology for the rest of the world. What can improve Russian-Polish relations more?

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I didn't express my opinion on that. How can you imagine that?
I wrote only that it is the world practice and USA-Poland aren't better. They are agressors now. And that is the military crime. There were victims. Of course they aren't EU citizens. But I'm also away from EU.


Spend some 40 million of EU lives to give Russia these lessons as it was done in 1945. Russia will become very modest. As Germany.
If not, look for other ways.

Lukasz I wonder you are so indifferent about low-cost. Isn't that the best base for democracy all over the world and the solution of problems of many EU residents?

Of course it will make a good living standard available to billions of people and stop in this way the feeling of superiority of those from rich states. But if you are so civilized I don't think superiority complex is so vital to you.

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Exactly so. I don't know any student that is unable to go abroad tostudy. Only a boy who wants to study indian tribe life in Amasonas but no convenient expeditions now


Russian don't have Soviet power that doesn't let them go. Now Russians can choose among states that require visas or not. The second group is more comfortable.


In comparison with democracy welcomed by the West in 90 nothing worse.


Yes that is the truth. In comparison with the past


We are bad. But EU isn't our justice


You proposed that before by the reason it is profitable for Russia. When we were unable to find these profits, ok you propose that for free without benefits. What a nice idea.

Bombers will be away when anti missil plans rejected. Or after elections. Because they are butaforic.


That is a common practice in today world. Iraq, Afganistan, secret US prisons, Guantanamo.
Russian activities are more modest.


I'm unable to understand why the low-cost idea that is common with healthy capitalism caused so much indignation. You even unable to read what I wrote.

I repeated three times that low-cost isn't for Russia only. It is also for such states as Poland. Or you will deny there are people ready to buy cars for USD 2000 and cottages for 17000 USD?

I wrote only about a Bureau that can study that question and coordinate research because for today not national but only international projects are profitable.

I wrote that such activities may return EU reputation in the world because other states and groups of states don't seem to make such work.

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Lukasz srudents exchange already exists. EU can't sell this. Other proposals are required

Lukasz your proposals are ulterior to contacts Russia and EU have for today. Nothing new.
Besides that EU is a real island among human ocean. The rest of the world is the same as Russia or worse. With all nations EU has to support contacts. As well as to awake interest in cooperation despite non satisfactory internal and external policy. Libia is one of such examples.

Why should Russia be more loyal than the rest of the world and what it receives in exchange? How much more than other states also away from western standard?

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Cottages are for all states including Poland.
That is a very important think because no American democracy was possible without Levitt family.
Nobody wants to have political freedom living in misery.
As to little measures, they won't give great transformations or Russia - EU relations.


That is the EU right. We have other states to contact and visit without visas. Nearly the rest of the world. EU will be isolated not Russia.

But it should be repeated that it may be in interests of EU and no love to Russia should be obstacle to EU self isolation.


Syria, Israel, Latin America, Asia etc. And within Russia that isn't always uninteresting.


Russians will first look at the benefits of your help to Ukranians. If it becomes profitable Russia wil follow Ukranian example. Quite a reasonable thing

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Hydrogen car is the greatest lie. It is invented by car manufacturers to keep popular attention away from electric cars.
Solar plants will be able to be in competition with gas by 2030.

Low-cost is possible now as well as it was possible all the 20 century

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A mistake. The negotiations on gas price started mounths before. The problem is that Ukranians as well as Belarus authorities usually discuss the price untill January.

As to Ukrania, the point was that a country that doesn't want to be Russian client should pay the same price as Poland. Not a crazy idea, isn't it?

Ukranian authorities rejected that idea.
Should Gasprom reduce the price because the winter came?


You asked me about EU possible initiatives. I answered. Russia also requires cotteges for USD 17000 and cars for USD 2000. As well as Poland because not every Pole can buy Lexus.


It is very interesting that Poles don't remember their own gas problems in 1990. Only Ukranians today.
Ukranians aren't so poor now as Poles were in 1990. There are less problems in Ukrania today in comparison with Poland in 1990. But Poles had enthusiasm to pay for independence and Ukranians in its majority no. That is the reason why such scandalous fact is covered by emotional words about - 30

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Lukasz low-cost isn't common with socialism. Poles must know that.

Low-cost is common with USA with Ford T.
Low-cost is common with France with Citroen 2CV.
Low-cost is common with UK with Mini by Issigonis.

American Levittown with cottages for USD 7000 in 1949 cshould be also mentioned.

These are all capitalist and democratic states. They became more democratic using low-cost when people were short of money.

The point is that in 90 as well as now only political democracy was exported to extotalitarian states. No even ideas about low-cost that created western society in 20 century.

Nicolas Negroponte is promoting a USD 100 laptop. No wide reaction. Renault Nissan has started creating a car for USD 3000. No reaction among eurobureaucrats. No ideas to promote or stimulate other manufacturers. No at least monitoring.

The most crazy thing is that polititians in the EU as well as in the USA didn't even mention these steps as asset of democratic world. Despite the fact that it is more interesting than discussions concerning gay coup;es official registration as married.

You want to laugh at the desire of poor nations to travel by car or live in low-cost cottages.
Don't forget you are laughing at old Polish woman who takes her grandson from school using old and damaged feet. Her pension isn't sufficient to buy Dacia Logan.

You are laughing at Polish ordinary man who has USD 800 salary and who has to work 2-3 years to buy This Dacia Logan.
You are laughing at Poles who work outside for a little flat. They will be happy to buy a cottage for USD 17 000 and to visit foreign states as tourists only.

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I was western romantic in 1989. I was among those who lost during westenized regime. The same rule.
I wasn't killed because Russia is much softer than it was as well as Germany after WWI but the rule is the same. Now I'm more experienced as the majority of Russians that like me voted in favour of the West in early 90.

Now details and figures please. And no trust


Slick77,
I'm sure Lukasz is of different nature. He discusses the ways of Russian-Polish relations' improvement. Unfortunately Polish mass media don't describe well Russian situation. Their brutal manners can be compared only with Russian mass media describing today Poland

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The man in the street only travels without visa. There is no communism now in Russia and everybody can buy Opel if he has money.

As to Gasprom, that's quite a sophisticated question for me. There are some mutual petitions between EU and Gasprom (concerning mutual peneyration) but only experts may represent this question.

Personally I think that EU should create a Low-cost Bureau in order to study the possibility of low-cost sandwich-panel cottages and cars manufacturing all over the world as well as cheap laptops. Following the work with experts the world will learn how much bikkions dollars are required to create the low-cost types (it is quite expensive to forsee low-cost production all over the world). Different states (Russia between them) will participate in donation.

That may return reputation to the West because nobody else is able to carry out such work. Besides that the possibility to buy low-cost will soften world tension give the youth from poor states other prospects besides extremism.

Sandwich-panel cottages will permit wide migration of different ethnic groups from regions they are threatened.
It is some 100 (!) times less than USA want to spend on military some next years but of major result.
As to Russians the majority of them will give up thinking about money and pay more attention to humanitarian values.
Many Poles won't work the rest of their life to pay for a cottage and a year to pay a car.


Russia depends upon EU money for gas. Russia is unable to blackmail EU more than EU Russia. That is for today.
Tomorrow EU should have another pipeline.