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Bratwurst Boy   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

these very Germans a generation or two later spoke Polish, felt Polish (which is incidentally the source of our conflict over Kopernik who ethnically was German but nationally Polish as hell).

They were "polonized" you mean?

(which is incidentally the source of our conflict over Kopernik who ethnically was German but nationally Polish as hell)

Didn't hinder him to work for Prussia till he died! :)

The real deal starts with the kingdom of Prussia which forcefully germanized the Polish majority

You mean "re-germanized" polonized ex-Germans??? :)

Thats probably the biggest bollocks you have ever written on these boards, Gdańsk was just an excuse and you know it

You can read alot of history books Sokrates and many historians will tell you the same as I do.
The treaty of Versailles is seen as paving the way for the success of Adolf Hitler and taking Danzig out of Germany was part of this treaty....

you loved Hitler because he gave you your "pride" back, want me to upload youtube of extatic women and orgasmic crowds when Hitler passed?

I'm not sure about the orgasms but people loved Hitler because he promised them to get back on the same people who forced Germany to this treaty and boy did we had our revenge (at first at least).

War would happen one way or the other, an excuse would be invented by Germans or if they couldnt invent one they'd invade without it, in regards to Gdańsk i see nothing wrong in returning to Poland what was its native land.

How could there had been war with Poland still partitioned?

You did not lose it, it would have to be yours in the first place, you claimed it when Poland was too weak to boot the elector from the region and kept it by virtue of force of arms, same with Poznań and Wrocław,

Well...if you don't accept an ethnic majority of 95 percent then Germans don't have to accept the actual polish majority either, don't they?

Many Poles did yield because if you can lose your job for speaking Polish and have kids to feed you will bend, its not as easy as Germans standing with a loaded gun, there was blackmail, coercion, for the most stubborn Poles there were violent repressions but claiming that Germanization of natively Polish regions was a happy process with willing Poles learning to speak German is a blatant lie.

See?
You contradict yourself here...
You don't assimilate because of some hardships!
No blackmail or coercion can make you to think like a German or to feel like a German.
Either you overvalue the power of the german culture or you totally dismiss the power of polish culture.
Please think about what that means...
Bratwurst Boy   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Ja...and many Poles have german blood also..so what!

So...who did the mysterious "germanizing" of the Germans? :):):)

Bismarck’s Kulturkampf (“cultural struggle”) against the Catholic Church included

I think that's the crux of the matter.
Problem was Poles were and seem to be still catholic talibans...

Bismarck was right to try to break the catholics neck as he wanted to modernize Prussia!
Bratwurst Boy   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

"Bringing in Germans into a region that previously was dominated by another ethnicity, in this case Poles with the express intention of making Germans a majority in the region, german colonization aka Germanization."

Were the Poles expelled?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gdansk

Ca. 1235 the settlement had some 2,000 inhabitants and was granted Lübeck city rights by Swantopolk II. Merchants from the Hanseatic cities of Lübeck and Bremen began to settle in greater numbers. Officially chartered as a city in 1224 as Dantzike, it rose to become one of the more important trading and fishing ports along the Baltic Sea coast.

The city and surrounding areas had already been heavily Germanized[citation needed] due to the invitation made to German settlers by the Slavic rulers[citation needed], and due to the increase in trade with German and Dutch port

How cruel of them!

Prussia was actively repressing all things Polish,

Did they expell the Poles???

Gdańsk in 1939 was a result of long term agressive efforts to kill, evict or forcefully assimilate what was once a Polish majority

That's crap Sokrates.
Without the Treaty of Versailles and taking Danzig out of Germany there wouldn't had been a war and also there hadn't been a polish majority for centuries.

When we go after that then Germany has every right to reclaim Danzig as we lost our majority only 60 years back...

PS: You don't "germanize" trough a violent colonization Sokrates.
Taking on german customs, attitudes, culture is a long and voluntarily process (for every "...zation")!
I knew you people don't know what that means..
Bratwurst Boy   
19 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

I think our government will recognize massacres in Wolyn, when Polish recognize massacres of Ukrainians they did in 16th, 17th, 18th centuries as well as in 20th, including Polonization which destroyed so much in my country. I think it is fair.

I don't think the Poles are ready for it yet. Still clinging to their goody-two-shoes image!
Ukraine shouldn't wait for Poland to admit something but just go forward like Germany does too (center).
Honor your Heroes and remember your dead regardless what they say!
Bratwurst Boy   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

It isn't that part what is funny but rather the excessive usage of some Poles of the word "germanized".

I think you don't even know what that means...alone the image:
"Hey...I don't like it here anymore I'm leaving...voila now I'm germanized!"

What do you think is needed for a proper "germanizing"? A passport? 3 words in german???
A whole town changes hands and *snaps fingers* get's "germanized" whatever that means???
LOL
(It's nearly as funny as when Crow says Germans are germanized Slavs - still not saying who were these mysterious original "germanizers")

I think you really have no idea about this long, and voluntarily process!
Bratwurst Boy   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Its only under the Prussian Kingdom that it becomes massively germanized.

It's your answer to everything..."germanized"...isn't it?
Deny the german history of these lands all you want...800 years!
I just find it funny when I read the Ukraine thread...Poland from Moskau to France, eh???
LOL
Bratwurst Boy   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

???

zum.de/whkmla/region/eceurope/danzig19191939.html

on March 23rd, 70,000 Danzigers protested the Treaty of Versailles provision concerning the cession of an access to the Baltic (Danzig) to Poland

In the Nov. 16th 1930 elections to the Danzig Diet, the NSDAP increased her seats from 1 to 12

The May 1933 elections returned the NSDAP as the strongest party in the Volkstag.

It became clear almost at once that the overwhelming German majority population of the Free State resented the concessions which had been made to Poland and their dismemberment from Germany.

it's allways been German but never truely Germany's!

What should that mean???
Bratwurst Boy   
18 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Neo-Nazis screaming 'Heil Hitler' attack concentration camp survivors during memorial service for 345,000 dead
12th May 2009

Blame the Austrians....

...or the Poles: polish neo nazis
Bratwurst Boy   
17 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Oh pleeeeeaaaaase....blame if it makes you feel better! BLAME for f*uck sake...it won't change one yota but who cares....

*takes helmet*
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

I may be wrong,Id be interested to hear what the case was though.

Personally I was to young to remember.
But I read that besides the officially propagated "fraternal brotherhood" even then the inofficial contacts between Poland and the GDR were bad in many aspects.

muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/journal_of_cold_war_studies/v004/4.4selvage.html

No chance for a real reconciliation behind the official smiles and handshakes and hugs...
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

at about 3min 48 it gets really good,I promise :)

I actually waited observing this one drummer that his sticks would fly away!!! :)
Great looking chaps, nothing goes above good old tradition...

.Lets just sort things out with a game of footie instead of using each other as target practice evry few decades.

Are you sure with footie of all things as your "weapon of choice"??? *looks innocently*

youtube.com/watch?v=NVK_mJrLbmY&feature=related

Yes...
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Its no secret our present royal family are german either,though I wont hold that against you BB.

That's so kind of you, thank you! :)

I once read a highly amusing report by a british journalist at that time in Germany who accompanied father and uncle to an veteran meeting between old "gizers" of the RAF and the Luftwaffe and how they behaved...darn good read and so telling! :)

...forgot the name of this journo though...will look for it...

Something for You.

*smile friendly *

Another march...you are spoiling me!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Im probably commiting a terrable faux pas on PF here

I think you just did! ;)

But it IS a wonderful song and absolutely apolitical, actually fitting all fighting men, then and now.

...and I fear the reconciliation between Germany and our eastern neighbours will take awhile longer than with our western neighbours!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Sorry BB!
What about that?:

Aaaaaaaaah...that's much better:

*starts to swing in step* :)

I cant believe these pages are blocked in germany BB.

Not all...I can get alot of those WWII videos with original footage...I wonder too why this one is blocked!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]

I think it's "hear" or as the Germans say "Hört, hört" - "listen, listen"...ja? :)
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]

hear hear...or is it here here? If its murder its murder.

It is and I really don't think this crime get's somehow "lessened" if the murdered people numbered not exactly 6.000.000 but "only 5.999.999... this is insane!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Because there hadn't been a Czechoslovakia before, but only a Böhmen and Mähren.
Because at that point Hitler didn't care anymore for the rights of the Germans, to make "things right again" as he had preached all this years.

Frankly he gave a sh*t and he would have given Danzig for an agreement with the Poles otherwise as we now know.
He was already in his "conquering dictator" mood...most just didn't know yet and still believed in him fully!

But then...there was nobody else who did something they could vote for....
Bratwurst Boy   
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Why do you forget what destroyed any chance the Weimar Republic might had and what made people vote for Hitler?
WWII started already with the Treaty of Versailles, from then on it was only a matter of time till someone would ride on it to the top.

A big part of the reason why so many European diplomats and politicians stayed quite for so long was a nagging feeling of guilt that Hitler was not so far off, that the Treaty had been unfair and that the Germans only got back what was stolen from them....they couldn't misinterpret the happy masses lining the streets throwing flowers wherever the Wehrmacht drived through...be it the Rhineland, Austria or the Sudeten!

Then Hitler was about to correct the last crime with getting Danzig back, freeing the german minority from the polish yoke (or so he said)...but now - oh wonder - he had set his aims much higher...to f*ucking bad...who could have thought it!
Bratwurst Boy   
13 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Yes ... issues of borders are with Germany are closed :)

Oh come on Solo...don't spoil the mood...all border issues in Europe are closed, also your eastern border, we all move on!
Bratwurst Boy   
13 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Well Bratwurst, you country wanted everything and played poker

I can only give back that compliment...had Poland negotiated with Germany before there wouldn't had been a Hitler (maybe), nor a war...or if then maybe not such devastation...

But Poles were nationalistic and chauvinistic with the best of them at that time...believing they could reach Berlin in a week (it's a quote!), feeling totally safe behind british and french promises...so why talking and maybe giving something?

(That was what Isathu pointed at actually)

In the end both lost out! Better move on...
Bratwurst Boy   
13 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Some Jews planned the "Morgenthau" plan for after war Germany...it stayed that, a plan!
And Poles throwing the expulsion argument around is just a joke, isn't it?
As long as Germans ruled Poland Poles and Germans lived side by side (if not always peacefully).
Only after the Poles took control whole big territories and whole towns are now "deutsch rein"...so please don't make me laugh!

Oh and I'm still waiting for your famous people list...
Bratwurst Boy   
13 May 2009
History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]

Ive got photos of Lufftwaffe guys neckshooting civilians

**** happens Isthathu, but I don't see that neither as better nor worse than polish pilots killing germans hanging helpless between their ropes or american pilots strafing the long rows of german civilians down on the road...

I've read recently that the Jews give a number of 200.000 war criminals....the german forces numbered combined 13 Millions!
The huge majority was just soldiers...neither "evil martians" nor "uncivilized paedophiles!"

The difference is that war crimes of the allied forces were never investigated and barely documented...who cared anyhow?

PS: I don't play that numbers game...it makes no difference to me if 6 Millions were killed or 5 (and I don't think it matters much).