celinski
19 Nov 2007
celinski
18 Nov 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Quoting: El Gato
Why are people still arguing about whether Poland or Russia is the better country? Makes no sense to me.
This is not who is better it is about taking responsability for past actions so that a foundation can be built on solid ground. My Polish people were unarmed farmers sleeping at home with their families and in Feb. 1940 they were taken to a concentration camp in Siberia to be treated worse than dogs. Ones that were not deported were attacked by SS Ukraine and tortured. Is it to much for me to ask Russia to tell the truth and I am sorry for what happened. As for the SS they recieved a free ride to England and have never answered to war crimes commette. No this is not about who is better.
Quoting: El Gato
Why are people still arguing about whether Poland or Russia is the better country? Makes no sense to me.
This is not who is better it is about taking responsability for past actions so that a foundation can be built on solid ground. My Polish people were unarmed farmers sleeping at home with their families and in Feb. 1940 they were taken to a concentration camp in Siberia to be treated worse than dogs. Ones that were not deported were attacked by SS Ukraine and tortured. Is it to much for me to ask Russia to tell the truth and I am sorry for what happened. As for the SS they recieved a free ride to England and have never answered to war crimes commette. No this is not about who is better.
celinski
18 Nov 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
In order to heal and start fresh history must be dealt with. Germany has admitted to and continues with restitution and this is the differance.
I think Polish people deserve the truth in history. Families paid the highest price and the ones that lived to tell at last can speak. This is not just from Russia but also from SS Ukraine. I am in the USA and read the rewritten history knowing the truth.
My father was 7 when they were deported and is not getting younger. He deserves the truth and other to say we are so sorry. His mother, two sisters and one brother lost their lives. Something like that will not be forgotten. Forgiveness starts with the truth. When this takes place trust can be built.
In order to heal and start fresh history must be dealt with. Germany has admitted to and continues with restitution and this is the differance.
I think Polish people deserve the truth in history. Families paid the highest price and the ones that lived to tell at last can speak. This is not just from Russia but also from SS Ukraine. I am in the USA and read the rewritten history knowing the truth.
My father was 7 when they were deported and is not getting younger. He deserves the truth and other to say we are so sorry. His mother, two sisters and one brother lost their lives. Something like that will not be forgotten. Forgiveness starts with the truth. When this takes place trust can be built.
celinski
18 Nov 2007
Travel / Gdynia info / Hotels to stay [17]
Can someone in Gdynia look in your phone book and get me the address for the "Lochka" family. I have a phone number but prefer to write. Thank you for any help, Carol
Can someone in Gdynia look in your phone book and get me the address for the "Lochka" family. I have a phone number but prefer to write. Thank you for any help, Carol
celinski
17 Nov 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Maybe things would improve if Russia took responsibility for Katyn and eastern Poland being sent to concentration camps. From what I read the Polish that could not get out of Siberia are not treated today as equals.
Maybe things would improve if Russia took responsibility for Katyn and eastern Poland being sent to concentration camps. From what I read the Polish that could not get out of Siberia are not treated today as equals.
celinski
17 Nov 2007
celinski
16 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Do Polish people search for family that were deported to another country? [11]
Polish people that departed were busy starting over in new country. If you recall they did not get government assistance. Calling a communist country from a free country to search for missing family is not what you may think. Most of the family was dead to begin with and even the ones living in Ukraine or Russia could not get over the boarder to keep in touch. I am from the first generation born in USA. For me not speaking Polish is difficult now let alone prior to 89 when records were hidden. My grandfather started fighting when he was 15 to have a free Poland at 51 after fighting in Anders Army and then under the British command only to be betrayed and lose his fight for freedom, you are right he said goodbye to his homeland he loved.
Polish people that departed were busy starting over in new country. If you recall they did not get government assistance. Calling a communist country from a free country to search for missing family is not what you may think. Most of the family was dead to begin with and even the ones living in Ukraine or Russia could not get over the boarder to keep in touch. I am from the first generation born in USA. For me not speaking Polish is difficult now let alone prior to 89 when records were hidden. My grandfather started fighting when he was 15 to have a free Poland at 51 after fighting in Anders Army and then under the British command only to be betrayed and lose his fight for freedom, you are right he said goodbye to his homeland he loved.
celinski
16 Nov 2007
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
What a beautiful poster do u mind if I copy it luk
What a beautiful poster do u mind if I copy it luk
celinski
16 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Do Polish people search for family that were deported to another country? [11]
No not kicked out choose not to live under communist rule. Fought to hard to be free to live like that.
No not kicked out choose not to live under communist rule. Fought to hard to be free to live like that.
celinski
16 Nov 2007
Life / How much do you HATE POLISH PEOPLE and POLAND [1260]
In USA I am respected for being a strong Polish lady. I think it all depends on the person and Hate is a strong word to begin with. I try not to hate anything...well maybe lima beans.
In USA I am respected for being a strong Polish lady. I think it all depends on the person and Hate is a strong word to begin with. I try not to hate anything...well maybe lima beans.
celinski
16 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Do Polish people search for family that were deported to another country? [11]
Deported after communism took over, not kicked.
Deported after communism took over, not kicked.
celinski
16 Nov 2007
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
What to me is amazing is wwll how major powers went after "Unarmed" Polish and killed or put in concentration camps. Lets see eastern Poland, WW1's front line top men in (farmers) reserve. No guns as they were not needed. Feb. 1940, Wake them up in the middle of the night take them and wife, children at GUN point to box cars for slave labor in Siberia. What about the ones not sent to Siberia. Middle of the night SS Ukraine can brutly massacre, barbaric torture and loot and burn whats left. Or they could act like they are going to work together and take "Unarmed" to Katyn and tie hands behind back and shot them. Then blame Germany. Germany was busy with the rest of Poland. But come on UNARMED.
What to me is amazing is wwll how major powers went after "Unarmed" Polish and killed or put in concentration camps. Lets see eastern Poland, WW1's front line top men in (farmers) reserve. No guns as they were not needed. Feb. 1940, Wake them up in the middle of the night take them and wife, children at GUN point to box cars for slave labor in Siberia. What about the ones not sent to Siberia. Middle of the night SS Ukraine can brutly massacre, barbaric torture and loot and burn whats left. Or they could act like they are going to work together and take "Unarmed" to Katyn and tie hands behind back and shot them. Then blame Germany. Germany was busy with the rest of Poland. But come on UNARMED.
celinski
16 Nov 2007
History / Katyn- forgiven and forgotten? [111]
Katyn must never be forgotten. My family who trusted Russia went to meet and fight with them only to have Polands "unarmed" men's hands tied behind their backs and shot in the head. Never has this world had to face such a barbaric situation. Polands front line from WWl woken in the night (Feb. 1940) as they slept with their family. Again "unarmed" farmers on reserve in eastern Poland. Taken to box cars and used in concentration camps as forced labor. Forgive means Russia needs to take full responsability and restitution to the families they destroyed. Poland was silenced to speak of this for far to long. Russia must understand the victims and their families remember and now cannot be forced into silence.
Note: I do not blame the present Russians for the sins of their fathers. At the same time it is them that have to clean up their fathers messes. They will be the better people for this and show the world they care. To not do so will leave many feeling they accept past actions. And healing, trust and respect will fail to grow.
Carol USA
Katyn must never be forgotten. My family who trusted Russia went to meet and fight with them only to have Polands "unarmed" men's hands tied behind their backs and shot in the head. Never has this world had to face such a barbaric situation. Polands front line from WWl woken in the night (Feb. 1940) as they slept with their family. Again "unarmed" farmers on reserve in eastern Poland. Taken to box cars and used in concentration camps as forced labor. Forgive means Russia needs to take full responsability and restitution to the families they destroyed. Poland was silenced to speak of this for far to long. Russia must understand the victims and their families remember and now cannot be forced into silence.
Note: I do not blame the present Russians for the sins of their fathers. At the same time it is them that have to clean up their fathers messes. They will be the better people for this and show the world they care. To not do so will leave many feeling they accept past actions. And healing, trust and respect will fail to grow.
Carol USA
celinski
15 Nov 2007
History / Pre war Polish land owned by my grandfather - where can I find the maps? [20]
I am sorry to hear that Ebi
I am sorry to hear that Ebi
celinski
15 Nov 2007
History / Pre war Polish land owned by my grandfather - where can I find the maps? [20]
My grandfather Polish/Roman Catholic recieved the land after fighting on the front line Ebi. It was his land. The land was not the hard part it was the price they paid in my grandmother, two aunts and one uncle's lives. The uncle was 3 years old in Siberia.
My grandfather Polish/Roman Catholic recieved the land after fighting on the front line Ebi. It was his land. The land was not the hard part it was the price they paid in my grandmother, two aunts and one uncle's lives. The uncle was 3 years old in Siberia.
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Is anyone willing to make a call to Gdynia for me re: my family [6]
Thank you , Do you know if alot of people speak English there?
Thank you , Do you know if alot of people speak English there?
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Is anyone willing to make a call to Gdynia for me re: my family [6]
What is skype? I was more concerned with not speaking Polish. I could write but don't know the address.
What is skype? I was more concerned with not speaking Polish. I could write but don't know the address.
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Is anyone willing to make a call to Gdynia for me re: my family [6]
I was given a phone number to "Lochka family" that used to live in Grodno and now are in Gdynia. I am looking for my Grandmothers family, Maria Lochka Celinska. I was given this message:My English is not very good
... na tyle, zeby napisac w tym jezyku ze zrozumieniem.
Przetlumaczylem sobie jednak na j. polski pierwsza wiadomosc od Carol.
"Moja rodzina zyla na Kresach do lutego 1940 r., mam trudnosci
w zlokalizowaniu rodziny mojej babci Marii Lochka."
Teraz prosba do tych z Panstwa, ktorzy potrafia wytlumaczyc Carol w
j. angielskim, zeby przekazac, ze w Polsce zyja rodziny o nazwisku
Lochki (pan), Lochka (pani). Moze nalezy tych rodzin zapytac, skad
pochodza i zagadka bedzie rozwiazana.
Odszukalem w tym celu nr telefonu do Barbary Lochkiej z Gdyni
Tel. 0048586643586
Can any one help?
I was given a phone number to "Lochka family" that used to live in Grodno and now are in Gdynia. I am looking for my Grandmothers family, Maria Lochka Celinska. I was given this message:My English is not very good
... na tyle, zeby napisac w tym jezyku ze zrozumieniem.
Przetlumaczylem sobie jednak na j. polski pierwsza wiadomosc od Carol.
"Moja rodzina zyla na Kresach do lutego 1940 r., mam trudnosci
w zlokalizowaniu rodziny mojej babci Marii Lochka."
Teraz prosba do tych z Panstwa, ktorzy potrafia wytlumaczyc Carol w
j. angielskim, zeby przekazac, ze w Polsce zyja rodziny o nazwisku
Lochki (pan), Lochka (pani). Moze nalezy tych rodzin zapytac, skad
pochodza i zagadka bedzie rozwiazana.
Odszukalem w tym celu nr telefonu do Barbary Lochkiej z Gdyni
Tel. 0048586643586
Can any one help?
celinski
15 Nov 2007
History / Pre war Polish land owned by my grandfather - where can I find the maps? [20]
Yes you can put a claim in for your families property if you were in Kresy area and put into a concentration camp. The dead line is Dec. 2008 so if you decide to you should get moving.
Join Kresy- Siberia @ yahoogroups. com they have the forms that need to be sent in. It will be compensation of a certian %. They also have many links and lists to help you out. Get into the group and the people there will help you with military, pictures, stories of what took place. Good luck and I hope to see you there.
Yes you can put a claim in for your families property if you were in Kresy area and put into a concentration camp. The dead line is Dec. 2008 so if you decide to you should get moving.
Join Kresy- Siberia @ yahoogroups. com they have the forms that need to be sent in. It will be compensation of a certian %. They also have many links and lists to help you out. Get into the group and the people there will help you with military, pictures, stories of what took place. Good luck and I hope to see you there.
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Polish War records [10]
Stack,
What camps are you referring to? For Siberia camps used by the Russian 1939-45 go to kresy-Siberia @ yahoogroups they have lists and links and who you can write to.
Stack,
What camps are you referring to? For Siberia camps used by the Russian 1939-45 go to kresy-Siberia @ yahoogroups they have lists and links and who you can write to.
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Do Polish people search for family that were deported to another country? [11]
What about the ones deported?
What about the ones deported?
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Maria Lochka's family (my Grandmother) [4]
Yes and thank you for looking. My father is # 1. and I am # 2. contact.
Yes and thank you for looking. My father is # 1. and I am # 2. contact.
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Family Pictures of loved ones in Poland [21]
I thank God they were able to take pictures. If not for this I would never have been able to view a beautiful 3 year old uncle who died in Siberia concentration camp. This is also making a big come back in the USA.
I thank God they were able to take pictures. If not for this I would never have been able to view a beautiful 3 year old uncle who died in Siberia concentration camp. This is also making a big come back in the USA.
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Do Polish people search for family that were deported to another country? [11]
I spend alot of time trying to locate my family in Poland and was just wondering if Polish families are looking for us?
I spend alot of time trying to locate my family in Poland and was just wondering if Polish families are looking for us?
celinski
15 Nov 2007
Genealogy / Maria Lochka's family (my Grandmother) [4]
Looking for family of Maria Lochka Celinski. DOB 16 Nov. 1900 /Married 10 Feb. 1923. I believe Maria had one brother Yanek 2 or 3 sisters Hanka, Marinka and Zoshia/Sofia. I was told her family lived down in a valley from her home in Lewkowce near Pochiav. They lived in two houses next to each other. More recently I was told they moved to a city called Gorodok after 1940. My family tree on her side is all but empty and I can't seem to find them. Does anyone know if Lochka is Polish, White Russian, Ukrainian? I must find her family and fill in the missing pieces of my history? Thank you in advance for any suggestions or help. Carol Celinska Dove USA
Looking for family of Maria Lochka Celinski. DOB 16 Nov. 1900 /Married 10 Feb. 1923. I believe Maria had one brother Yanek 2 or 3 sisters Hanka, Marinka and Zoshia/Sofia. I was told her family lived down in a valley from her home in Lewkowce near Pochiav. They lived in two houses next to each other. More recently I was told they moved to a city called Gorodok after 1940. My family tree on her side is all but empty and I can't seem to find them. Does anyone know if Lochka is Polish, White Russian, Ukrainian? I must find her family and fill in the missing pieces of my history? Thank you in advance for any suggestions or help. Carol Celinska Dove USA
celinski
14 Nov 2007
News / Polish people reactions towards the last elections in Poland [59]
I liked the way the present President stood up to Russia and was making the ones that killed so many accountable for their actions. I was born in the USA but my father was in eastern Poland and sent to Siberia. My Grandfather started fighting when he was 15 years old and in the end after Anders Army in WWll he lost his country. I pray the new powers continue to demand respect.
To speak to what USA feels toward Polish, hard workers, stand up for themselves, always helping other countries. Hopefully I will come visit and see the beauty of Poland soon.
I liked the way the present President stood up to Russia and was making the ones that killed so many accountable for their actions. I was born in the USA but my father was in eastern Poland and sent to Siberia. My Grandfather started fighting when he was 15 years old and in the end after Anders Army in WWll he lost his country. I pray the new powers continue to demand respect.
To speak to what USA feels toward Polish, hard workers, stand up for themselves, always helping other countries. Hopefully I will come visit and see the beauty of Poland soon.