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Bratwurst Boy   
28 May 2009
News / Poland and Germany - Germany unhappy with the present border with Poland? [88]

Well, I was thinking about eastern border ...

Well, I not!

Who fights with sword, by the sword die - or something like that!

The expelled were civilians, not soldiers...women and children mostly who never used a "sword"!
And yes, a declaration against ethnic cleansings as a matter of policy is a good thing...I wonder why you protest so greatly!
Or are ethnic cleansings only bad if the expelled and killed are Poles?

And I really would like a link to that...where do you have this from?
Bratwurst Boy   
28 May 2009
News / Poland and Germany - Germany unhappy with the present border with Poland? [88]

I voted for PO, i'd vote for a herpies ridden hooker if it made those little twats lose, it doesnt change the fact that PO should speak out on the international forum, perhaps not even point blank opposition but to make the German statement a milder sounding one.

Heh:)

Could you point me to that bone of contention?
Ironside still didn't gave a link...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 May 2009
News / Poland and Germany - Germany unhappy with the present border with Poland? [88]

What do you know......

Silesian "uprisings" anyone?

we are talking about expulsion of Germans after WWII here

Me too...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing#20th_century

Expulsion of Germans after World War II.
From 1944 until 1948, between 13.5 and 16.5 million Germans were expelled, evacuated or fled from Central and Eastern Europe, making this the largest single instance of ethnic cleansing in recorded history.
Estimated number of those who died in the process is being debated by historians and estimated between 500,000 and 3,000,000.[83]

Bratwurst Boy   
28 May 2009
News / Poland and Germany - Germany unhappy with the present border with Poland? [88]

Would a declaration against paedophiles also make you ask about a hidden agenda???

German constitution used to state that Germany is a state with borders as they were in 1937 (I don't know what it is now - is it any different)?

That was a requirement for the re-unification negotiations...membership of Germany in the NATO (instead of neutrality as demanded by the USSR and preferred by many Germans) and the acceptance of the eastern borders!

This thing is done....what is it with you Poles?

CDU and Bavarian CSU issued a joint proclamation asked for international condemnation of expulsions also they asked for "recognition of the infringed rights".

a link?
Bratwurst Boy   
28 May 2009
News / Poland and Germany - Germany unhappy with the present border with Poland? [88]

international condemnation of expulsions

Erm...tell me again..what's wrong with that???
Are you in favour of ethnic cleansings?

So, I repeat to our German friends and neighbours - you want "your" lands?
Come and get them :)))))

We ARE coming already ...shopping...visiting...holidaying...footballing...:)

(We are those loud mouths with beer bellies and white socks/sandals...our new uniform...)
Bratwurst Boy   
28 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

I'd rather think that they were punishing Germans for crimes commited in Soviet Union.

Then what were they Poles punishing for?

Regan.

Whoa...he took his time, didn't he....:)

Reagan...wasn't it this president holding hands with Kohl at the SS cemetery in Bitburg?
Cool man!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Stalin killed more of his own than the Nazis did achieve...and they tried hard!

The Germans have been punished in Oppeln, in Königsberg, and in Breslau. They have been punished, but yet not enough! Some have been punished, but not yet all of them.

Punished for what? Invading Poland???

Who punished the Reds for invading Poland?
Bratwurst Boy   
28 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

This is such a loaded question. Had the Germans not

Yes, but this wasn't the question!
If the '45 Poles would had been offered by the western allies an army comprised of Americans etc AND mainly Germans to fight the Soviet occupation - would they had taken the offer or rather gave in to the red army?

Especially with the WWII background...
Bratwurst Boy   
27 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Either way, if Germans can criticize "Bush's America", despite all the aid USA provided to USA, why can't Poles do the same with Germany?

Because they don't!

Because always reharking to WWII isn't fostering the idea of good relationships even when political ideas differ.
Also Germans rarely try to manipulate or blackmail the Americans with historical stories like calling a business a "Molotov Ribbentrop pact".
Or using imaginery populations they would had have without the war for getting more votes etc...
Not to mention calling german politicians Nazi!

And you know PF Maty :)

The US became a friend instead of an occupier at the time of the Luftbrücke.
But that doesn't mean that Germans have to agree with a policy deemed at heightening tensions with Russia for example.
Bratwurst Boy   
27 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Leave Shopski alone!

Sokrates was overdoing it again, calling all Germans "descendants of murderers"...no need to compare wiki numbers! :)

The Wiesenthal center gives a number of 200.000 german war criminals. Even if all had kids that is just a tiny number between 80 Mill Germans...
Bratwurst Boy   
27 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Most Germans are!
Only because the anti-american-lefties and their media are the loudest doesn't mean they are the majority!
(okay...the Bush years were tough but most of us can differ between people and governments)
Especially in Berlin, things like the Luftbrücke or the american support for the re-unification are not forgotten)


As Obama came to speak on the Siegessäule most Berliners came to show their respect for the US and the wish for good and close relationships with them not especially for Obama...

Bush and his gov were very much disliked generally, that's true!

treating USA as a greater danger for Europe than Russia.

Political differences, nothing more, nothing less.
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

i've changed my tone specifically after CDU issued statements about "more German language, international condemnation of expelees"

You mention it again and I still wonder...what do you mean exactly?

Sadly my suggestions about executing our players and their families fell on deaf ears.

You should have warned them beforehand..they would had played better...surely..
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Of course our ancestors need to be forgiven they did not have the luxury of hindsight.

I forgive them! :)

At multiple times in history Poland was poised to annihilate what would later become Prussia

But it hadn't...so there:)
Now we have 2009 and next year our football team is going to beat your football team again...

THAT is pragmatism! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

I've no other dream than that we could just live in peace,

That is nice! :)

BB if we were pragmatic you'd be conquered by Turkey or not here at all since Teutonic Order would have gotten wiped out to a man, Germany exists because Poland failed to be pragmatic

Another dream bubble by Poles...
You know what being pragmatic means, don't you?

pragmatic

Adjective

1. concerned with practical consequences rather than theory

You should try it sometimes...:)
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

The help, the support is the bone of contention.
The EU (and to a big part Germany) is now doing to Poland what the US had done to their zone of occupation to get them on their feet.

But somehow the Poles are not happy about it...:(
Many are still grumbling and mumbling and resenting and whatnot..no fair!
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

If we look on what Germans have done durring WWII ... Poland would be right.

Ja...but your impossible problem you face is nobody would know that at the time of your invasion...YOU would be the baddie, not Hitler!

You would make him a hero!!!

GERMANS KNEW HITLERS PLANS.

Well, the "Morgenthau"-plan was published widely too.
Didn't count for much later...
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Bratwurs your theory about WWII is false ... Hitler planed war against half of Europe (Poland, France ... )

Well, but he still didn't...he is still peacy...he will become the victim of polish aggression!
The facts won't change!

Argument like "we haven't know his plans" is false

Well..there was the "Morgenthau plan" too...
Doesn't count for very much today either!
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Well, considering the fact that we wouldn't have lost 12 million citizens (35 million
in 1939 - 23 million in 1945), would keep our lands in the East and possibly gained
some in the West and didn't become a Soviet satelite for 45 years then becoming
"the baddie in the history books" wouldn't be that bad really. I could live with that :)

The chances wouldn't be that high that you would keep all that.
Most probably the international league would turn a blind eye at some compensation for the attacked and violated Germans..

what is it that brought you to this forum, BB?

My family is one of those prussian Silesians which got expelled.
I remember stumbling onto this board during a Danzig discussion....:)

Why do you spend so much
time discussing issues regarding Poles and Poland?

I rarely discuss polish things! They don't interest me much and I'm not the expert on polish things.
But somehow Germany and the Germans pop up here continously also historical questions about WWII.
I'm a historical interested silesian German, often the only one.
Without me nobody would help you along and you would only all agree with each other all the time without a german point of view:)

Stop discussing "german things" and I'm gone, promise! :)

Polands aim wasn't occupation of Germany.

But what then???
What do you want to achieve? And how? And what then? How realistical is that scenario?
Do you really think you could catch Hitler??
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Again...it could have been possible that you beat the Germans! That is not the point...

(Am I speaking chinese here?)

The problem arose with the first day after! What now??? How do you occupy and keep occupying and controlling the whole of Germany, all Germans???

Do you think you could do it violently? Do you plan on convincing the people?
What about the resistance??? Uprisings??? Sabotage??? Guerilla war??? Passive resistance?
Underground government???

Germany boken some points from Versliese treaty ...

A treaty who was now even widely seen as wrong and unfair by the publics of the organizers = hence appeasement!

That would be a lame point...

Poland beaten whole Soviet Union

Well...you didn't make it to Moscow and didn't plan on occupying Russia and the millions of Russians..
Bratwurst Boy   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

No you didn't!
You too just tell a wish, another dream...you don't have a plan how to realistical achieve that.

It wouldn't had worked...in the end you were the baddie in the history books as you attacked a peaceful neighbour!

I wish you had done that...:)