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Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

You really do know bugger all about Polish law!

You know, that's actually quite true. As such, I still can't see that I went wrong anywhere there.

You already have commented about Polish gun laws.

And what I said pretty much outlined my knowledge of the topic.

He's got form for this kind of thing. Remember his comments about Jews and shoes & trousers & coats?

No, actually. But, definitely doesn't look good for him there...

As far as we know they have no relationship at all.

You could say they are colleagues.

As far as we know there is no reason to believe that the target would consider being told, in front of thousands of people, that his skin colour showed he needs to wash better a joke.

We have some:
-The person making the statement is a fellow clergyman.
-The person towards whom the statement was directed was well aware that his skin color was an oddity.
-The person making the statement is known for his poor speaking skills, which could easily explain the situation as a horribly failed attempt at breaking the ice about the state of affairs.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

ha, ha. Priceless. Where are you going with that argument?

They made a public statement condemning Obama for swatting a fly... do I need to spell it out???

So, just because there are some depraved minds out there who can't cope with the fact that they themselves might be homosexual, these ppl are not allowed or at least should not dress up when that is what they like?

What the hell are you jabbering about?
The law says they can wear whatever they like, within reason. That doesn't make it a good idea. You're damn right that they should not do so if it leads to an astronomically improved chance of random beating, quit trying to make a cheap PC point with it.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

What you are referring to is known as "Transvestites" or cross-dressers, which are not necessarily homosexual. In fact, none of my gay friends dress up like that. You can easily note a transvestite, while one can not note a homosexual that easily by passing one by. What I am referring to is the underlying note you make that apparently homosexuals bring it on themselves that they get beaten up. And that is pertinent not true.

I made no such statement. What I did say was that cross-dressing is a great way to let everyone who might be interested in giving you a beating that you are one of their targets.

Besides, isn't it so that most movements start out as radical as they can be, just to assume their position in society?

No. PETA, for example.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

So you support harassment on the grounds of sexuality. There's a shocker.

Support harrasment, because I don't think that private verbal communication should be censored? Okay, yes, I support harassment on the grounds of sexuality. And also on the grounds of religion, and race, and sex, and age, and weight, and clothing... a lover of harassment am I!

And if he has a licence for it and therefore possesses it legally?

I'm actually unfamiliar with Polish gun laws, and so cannot comment.

The fact you think racial harassment is the same as slander shows how little you know about law. Or how far you are willing to go to make excuses for racial harassment.

So I thought that suggesting that somebody hadn't washed completely was slander, sue me.

OK, so as to avoid the second nit which you wish to pick: If the only test was "Did the person mean it", a man who was working in a slaughter house and waved a knife, which he had just been using to cut up a cow, at somebody while shouting "You n*gger bastard! I'm going to f*cking kill you!" could simply say that he expected his words to be taken as a joke. Would that be acceptable to you?

Okay, let's talk law. Character witnesses: what do they say about the demeanor of the person in question? Has he ever before been known to express racist views or feelings (Rydzyk, haha, I know)? What is the nature of his relationship with the person in question? Are they friends? Was there reason to believe the target would understand the statement as a joke?

I traded slurs with a black friend of mine on a regular basis in the States, for example. Him on my Polish origins and Poland, mine on his African and that continent's. We laughed it off every time, but I'd hate to think that, in a Polish court of law, he could for whatever reason suddenly decide to have me fined/sentenced one day...
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

So instead of the police going to the scene and arrest the gay-bashers, homosexuals should just adhere to the wishes of gay-bashers in order not to be beaten up? I don't grasp this concept. Elighten again, pls.

This sentence likely does not make quite as much sense as you think it does. "Instead of the police going to the scene and arresting the gay-bashers"? I don't get it. Do the police only go arrest gay-bashers when the gays in question where wearing pink women's clothing, had long hair, and were carrying purses?

Isn't that the same as saying that when a girl gets rapes, she just should have worn that mini-skirt?

No, it's like saying that when a girl gets raped, she should not discontinue wearing clothes. And, as we all know, girls getting raped does not cause other girls to become promiscuous flirts, and to start revealing increasing amounts of flesh on a regular basis.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

So, you base your opinions on a better education? This made me in turn chuckle. While I have no objection against a certain dissent against homosexuals as such by contingents of society which do not happen to be gay or otherwise "different" from what is generally tolerated by the majority of the ppls, it just strikes me as funny that, even though well-spoken the level of thinking is merely one step above the gay-basher.

I'm not sure how to decipher this, but I do think I know where the communication process that led to this confusion (that being my own) occured. I was referring not to opinions on sexuality, but opinion as a whole. Obviously, Jim Hansen's opinions (however that works) regarding astro-physics are going to be worth a lot more than my own, for example. I do not claim to be 'better-educated' on homosexuals, and cannot therefore base my opinions on said better education.

I would say the bashing of gays is a means or repression and terror. You see this differently? Enlighten me.

I would rather stay on the topic of how the bashing of gays is not what causes them to go out of their way at every possible opportunity to make it quite bloody obvious that they are gay.

Ah, it's personal :) In Holland we say 10 bad apples spoil it for 10.000 good apples. I have plenty of gay acquaintances and none of them are obnoxiously gay. Maybe at their home in private, but that is their business. None of them has ever tried to make a pass on me and has never acted over "woman-like", except just for fun.

Indeed, and I have no problem whatsoever with those sort of people.

I can take (and laugh about) jokes a foreigner makes about my home-country. Can you?

I can indeed. Especially the ones which link things like 'following the stream' and 'intelligence'!
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

c) When a man can be arrested for farting at the name of the president but another man isn't arrested for public racial abuse, yes the system does need overhauling.

I agree; that law about slandering the president has really got to go. And so does the one about derogatory names for homosexuals.

What about if the person didn't mean to point it at the person he was abusing?

Since you ask, it's still illegal, since he obviously meant to possess it.

But so as to avoid the nit which you wish to pick: If the only test was "Did the person mean it", a man who waved a knife at somebody and shouted "You n*gger bastard! I'm going to f*cking kill you!" could simply say that he expected his words to be taken as a joke. Would that be acceptable to you?

I'm not sure that knives are legal in public, either, or at least waving them at people. But, nonetheless, I don't think that laws regarding violent threats are quite the same as laws regarding slander.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

Yes, I suppose I am ;)

That comment was directed toward adrian11224 in the OP, not yourself.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

I did however slap some silly biatch in a gay bar who thought it was okay to touch my breasts, women should know better.

Props for the post, but this does beg the question... what exactly were you doing in the gay bar in the first place?
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

As I said, the point is not whether he meant it to cause offense but whether he should have known it would cause offense.

Not to the Prosecutor’s Office in Czestochowa. Are you trying to determine whether he was a bastard, or whether he should have been held legally accountable? Or if the legal system needs revision?

If the only test was "Did the person mean it", a man who pointed a gun at somebody and shouting "You n*gger bastard! I'm going to f*cking kill you!" could simply say that he expected his words to be taken as a joke.

Well, bad example. Pointing guns at people is quite illegal, regardless of accompanied slurs.

As it is impossible to prove that he did not mean his words to not be a joke, he would be not guilty. But if we apply the test of whether a reasonable person would know that such words would not be taken as a joke, the man is clearly guilty.

No. The law is not held as to rely on absolute proof. Court decisions are instead a matter of esablishing reasonable doubt.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

That's what I don't like about Polish: they ALWAYS think their opinion and mentality is the best, just because they don't agree to other mentalities.

No, really?
Like, y'know, everybody else in the goddamn world?
The reason people have different opinions and mentalities is that everybody thinks they have the best ones, genius.

I personally think it's not of this time and age to still reject homosexuality as not being part of society, a sickness or whatever. I think that is a retard view on things and this opinion should be abolished as soon as pssbl. But that is just my opinion.

Which you think is better than that of everyone who disagrees with you. Which I personally don't see a problem with, because I can happily come to terms with the fact that I, in turn, think my opinions are where education is constant better than yours, except wherever they would come to align, in which case they're probably just more reformed. Otherwise, I'd hold your opinions instead.

And what would 'obnoxiously straight' be then? Something like: hey, you know what, I'm a man and I am going to f*ck as many women as I can tonight! Hey baby! You feel like f*cking tonight? Something like that?

Yes indeed something like that. And especially groping women as they pass by, generally being lewd, and cat-calling and the like.

The group you are referring to is only a very small part of the population

So I hear, and have never denied. I only find it unfortunate that it also constitutes all the homosexuals I've ever had the displeasure of being acquainted with.

and its mere existance is only due to the amount of repression they experience within a society.

Oh, come on - you don't really believe that crap, do you? Bullsh*t.

M-G (21st century views - yes, Europe is progressing

There we are, out of the closet about thinking one's opinions are better than everyone else's...

and Poland would be smart to join in the stream of ppls)

That one gave me a good chuckle. It helped that I misread it at first to read 'main-stream', which although meaning the same thing, somehow still made it even funnier!

yes, you skipped the details. Are you looking them up now?

I am doing no such thing. Why would I? Even assuming that the findings as to who was the first human being with the virus were public info around the world, what exactly makes you think that whatever answer he gave to how he (/she?) acquired a sexually-transmitted disease from a baboon was an honest one? I prefer to simply not care too much, and to assume the obvious here.

Most of the gays that I know are straight acting and wouldn't ever consider touching up a straight man, unless of course they had good reason to believe that the other guy was curious.

Which, if you read my posts, was exactly what I advised to the OP in question here, thank you.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

And quite irrelevent too.

Apparently, it's actually a prerequisite to an investigation, so actually quite relevent.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

I am from Los Anegeles

a bunch of hypocrites people dont you think.

I could not resist that little bit of quote-chopping.
Regardless, and for the rest of you here that, y'know, don't actually live in Poland and never have, your opinion is quite worthless here.

I have never met a Polish person who was open to gays...

And then you proceed with talking about how you know gays who are Polish, and therefore not open to gays. So, they are only open to straight guys? That's exactly the sort of gay that annoys me greatly.

I know a lot of gay people myself, I have nothing bad to say about most.

I knew a few in the States... as distantly as possible, had nothing good to say about any. In fact, I'm still quite miffed at one of them for the great inconvenience he put me through after I punched him in the face for groping at my buttocks on my way to class.

I mean, I was studying in one of the most liberal towns in the whole SE... no way was I going to try to get the message across the legal way. Just bringing up a sexual harrasment suit against a homosexual there would probably be ruled a hate crime!

What the heck is this guy talking about? hahaha wow,, out of space...as far as i know, aids was first found in Africa, in hetero couples...ignorance is the mother of all stupid comments.

Allow me to extend your origin story a little further: Human Immuno-Deficiency Virus originates in a separate and benign virus commonly found in the African baboon. How it then transitioned to humans- yeah. Details, details...

Don't forget that Polish mentality is a bit behind the rest of Europe.

Behind indeed... which could be seen as a bad thing by those who actually believe the mentality of the rest of Europe is progressing.

Anyway, as far as being gay in Poland goes: there is a difference between being 'openly gay' and being 'obnoxiously gay'. Do you plan to wear women's clothing? Bad idea. Do you plan to have bumper stickers all over your pink car which will announce this fact to the world? Bad idea. Do you plan to attempt to flirt with/hit on men who you know have almost no chance of sharing your sexual orientation? Bad, bad, bad idea, and don't do it- I'd get pissed off at you for that.

If you act like a human being to the effect that people don't really know that you're gay unless you tell them, it really shouldn't be a huge problem for you, depending on where you're planning on staying. In Warsaw or Kraków you should be quite able to happily live a life more or less free of persecution. In smaller cities, expect rude gestures/shouts and insults from people driving by if you're walking with another man on the sidewalk. Possibly they'll throw trash at you, even. Rural areas... you're not going to like it, so you hopefully don't have a reason to move to one.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

A rule common in democracies is that only people who are eligible to vote are permitted to run as candidates for election.

I'm aware of that; I was asking specifically about the rights of the Church in Poland, as I've been out of the country for a while.

I'm not Polish and so can not stand for election to the Sejm or Parliament. If I started influencing Polish politics like Rydzyk does, there would be public outrage!

I'm pretty sure you could start, say, your own stand-up comedy routine on television and make political statements to your heart's content, and nobody would really think twice about it.

Wrong. "The Prosecutor’s Office in the southern city of Czestochowa decided, however, that the statement made by Rydzyk was not meant to insult or humiliate the missionary from Africa, which is a precondition to open an investigation." How is it neither insulting nor humiliating for a black man to be called "dirty" because of his skin colour?

Ask, rather, not 'how is it not insulting or humiliating', but 'how could he have said something insulting or humiliating without meaning to'. Which is quite possible. Though, he hasn't publicly or privately apologized as far as I know, which doesn't help his case too much there.
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

Imagine the repercusions this might have : Well if its ok for a priest to do it, then it is also ok for us to do it...

That's because: as far as the law is concerned, it is okay for us to do it, and it is okay for a priest to do it.

What he did was wrong, he should just own up to it, apologise

You are correct this far in. Why don't you try sending him a letter to that effect, and see if you can get him to do just that?
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

Yes, but he is a priest. He should provide to the poor and needy, so far he has manipulated those poor and needy to provide for him, not that those poor and needy are not responsible. He provides false hope to those people and this is how he cashes in on popularity and cash.

Don't be silly; he is a priest, the only means he has of providing to anyone are those he convinces people to give to him. I'm of the opinion that he does not perform nearly so well in the former field as the latter allows him, but to say that he shouldn't speak in public because he's a priest is absolutely ridiculous.

I guess he is a politician:)

He is a public figure. It comes with the job.

Depends on your viewpoint. If, like me you take the opposite view to the American colonists, the rule must be: no representation without taxation!

You almost got me there, except that Rydzyk is not represented within the Polish government. I don't actually know: are there any clergymen in public office these days?
Pan Kazimierz   
10 Aug 2009
News / French and Poles [146]

I'm surprised nobody's brought broken link removed one up yet.

Speaking of the French in Vietnam... indeed, that's where their soldiers 'invented' parkour as a means of more effectively and efficiently running away in battle. It's a very cool means of running away in battle, but that's still not the most noble of origin stories...
Pan Kazimierz   
9 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

he is a priest not a politician. Simple.

He is also a citizen, and has quite as much right to engage in politics as every other citizen of RP. Simple.
Pan Kazimierz   
8 Aug 2009
Life / U2 and Sabaton in Poland - Polish Music chat (no video clips please) [4]

Are they coming to Poland ? Tell me why I should see them.

Well, first, Sabaton is for most any fan of the 'cleaner' varieties of Metal (as opposed to Black Metal, Death Metal, ect.), and probably even so for those able to listen to a variety of music with an open mind. I, for example, do not personally listen to very much Metal, and yet do wish to see this show.

The theme they're running it on - 'Always Remember', appears to be a reference to their disproportionally-well-known-in-these-parts song "40:1", on the 1939 Battle of Wizna in Poland, where Cpt. Raginis and his 720 men held off 42,000 invading Germans for three days before finally being overrun, at which point Raginis took his own life with a grenade, presuably to take some more Germans with him (Always remember/A fallen soldier/Always Remember/Fathers and sons at war).

As implied by the album name, Art of War, the songs all have inspiration/basis in some historic battle(/field event), which I think is something of no small significance (because we've all heard plenty of songs about bad relationships and the like already!).

As to them playing in Poland: yes, they are, beginning with the 31st of this month and ending with the 6th of next. From the Sabaton official website sabaton.net

We can now proudly announce that we are going to Poland for a real tour.
This will be some of the absolute last concerts of The Art of War tour.

It will be a great tour for sure, dont miss it.

Concert dates and locations:
Mon. 31st Aug. - Warsaw
Tue. 1st Sept. - Bydgoszcz
Wed. 2nd Sept. - Zielona Gora
Fri. 4th Sept. - Siemianowice Slaskie
Sat. 5th Sept. - Rzeszow
Sun. 6th Sept. - Gora Strekowa

Information
Warsaw - artbem.pl/amfiteatr
Zielona Gora - zok.com.pl/strona/46_wynajem_amfiteatru.html
Siemianowice Slaskie - sabaton.siemianowice.pl

For buying tickets, look sabaton.net/tour.html (scroll down to the appropriate date, and click on the 'Tickets' link).
Pan Kazimierz   
8 Aug 2009
Life / U2 and Sabaton in Poland - Polish Music chat (no video clips please) [4]

Snow Patrol and U2: who went, what was it like, what did they play. From what I’ve read it was the best gig in Poland… EVER !

Terrible bloody shame I missed it, then. =(

I guess now I -have- to go see Sabaton later on, to make up for it!
Pan Kazimierz   
8 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

Yes we are thats what the Forum is all about.

well thanks for pointing out the obvious. 10 points.

Sorry not to be able to return the favor, but I'm going to have to give you -5 for missing the sarcasm. Quote was a response to prior response of user aphrodisiac to the observation that Rydzyk -probably- had no intention of offending missionary in question with the obvious:

he did.FAct. He got away with it. Fact.

Which makes it seem that an argument that A) does not contain an opinion, and B) also states the obvious, was necessary.
Pan Kazimierz   
8 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

why inmediatly link black with dirty.

I should think the answer to be rather obvious: because dirt is black. You didn't see the connection before?

he did.FAct. He got away with it. Fact.

Oh, we're not here about opinions? Okay, "he did nothing illegal and that is why the law cannot touch him". FACT.
Pan Kazimierz   
8 Aug 2009
News / Bandera bike rally in Poland. [17]

it takes two to tango

I prefer the saying: it takes only one to f*ck things up.
Pan Kazimierz   
7 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

.....its straight to the point right? i mean in my opinion (i repeat MY opinion) the catholic church is the most corrupted, decieving, pagan of all christian denominations ( I used to be catholic by the way, but after investigating, not only believing, i found out how it really works) so no thank you...

And my opinion is quite different from yours. But seeing as I have the sense to back up my opinion when I express it, am able to express it well and without flaming, and of course reserve it for the appropriate thread/discussion, the obvious conclusion would appear to be that my opinion is just worth more than yours.

You might call me lame, and i might be, but at least i dont follow blindly what some guys in the early centuries wanted me to believe.

Good for you, nor do I. This is also irrelevant, and this discussion in need of termination.

No. The 'joke' he made about how few black people are in Poland was "“Oh, look! A black man. He gets around, doesn’t
he?" The comment about not washing can not be anything other than negative and racist.

I haven't seen that part of the script, but I still don't find it likely that he would so try to offend a (fellow) missionary.
Pan Kazimierz   
7 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

What an ass, and they call themselves "men of god" servants of the devil they are, catholic hipocrites.

Lame.

I would suggest all Polish Forum posters concerned with racism in Poland move to my neighborhood in Philadelphia PA USA...I have two rooms for rent at a cheap price...My block is 40% African-American, 40% African and 20% White...Come, you can enjoy living in a historical city in the USA, and you can immerse yourseves in Black culture...To show how diverse we are, the grocery stores are all owned by Latinos from the Dominican Republic, and Hindus own a big 'dollar store' around the corner...Anyone interested?...Harry?...What say, Pan?

I have been in such places. Yes, I've been a Gringo, a MahNigga, a Homeboy, a Dude, a Polak, and a Brothah many times in my day (depending on the company in question).

Regardless, it seems highly unlikely he had any intention whatsoever of being negative or racist concerning, y'know, an African missionary. I think rather he was joking about how few blacks we have here in Poland.

Incidentally, and on a totally unrelated note, I thought I saw one near my uncle's place upon visiting him for the first time after moving in. I was informed, rather, that this man actually was just so outright dirty that he appeared black. Needless to say, after spending so much time in the urban South US, I was thoroughly taken aback.

He died soon after upon being hit by a car, while riding his bicycle.
Pan Kazimierz   
7 Aug 2009
News / Poland among the greatest enemies of Russia [112]

don`t be ironic

you very well know that you need each others

For now. And then, in a few decades, oil's going to be useless anyway and either we're all f*ked or we have us an alternate energy solution that doesn't require Russia pumping anything into the rest of Europe.

Though I guess I still can't see that Russia, on the other hand, really needs Poland for much of anything.

take this plastic example > Would you rather suggest Oba Ma`s daughter to be wife of your son or maybe Putin`s daughter?

Well, the obvious answer is that I don't have a son. Barring that, and saying that I have a hypothetical son, I'd have to look at a number of factors: age (of hypothetical son), education and intelligence (of daughters), looks, etc. Right now, given that the choice were a real one, I'd probably be leaning towards Obama's daughter. Of course, his celebrity status is already a shadow of what it once was, so I don't know how long I'd make that choice - once he leaves the limelight, the benefit to Poland and my own family will all but disappear since nobody will any longer care how ('that guy who everybody thought he'd be the greatest president ever but oh man now they feel dumb')'s daughter married a Polak.

Though I'd wager that Putin's daughter is probably more intelligent (Putin genes), and better educated (Russian schooling > American schooling, by oh-so-much). But, then again, who wants to have that associated with their family?